Anonymous #1 19h

We don’t have a theocracy yet but maga is damn well trying to make one

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Anonymous stoner22 19h

Most of my family is MAGAesque. They aren’t huge fans of the pope or religious leaders doing anything other than leading religious congregations. The Ten Commandments however, that’s big because of pragmatic application. Way easier to go to work and focus on what needs done when you’re not worried about someone trying to bang your spouse. I tend to agree.

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Anonymous #1 18h

We’re on our way to theocracy, we’ve been forced to display the 10 commandments in every room of every public school in Arkansas. No matter how pragmatic you feel that document is, it is explicitly Christian religious texts being forced on a secular nation. Would you be ok with it if we had a Muslim governor who did the same with excerpts from The Koran?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 18h

Technically those also constitute the basis for Jewish and Islamic law as well even it they due have leaders try to make a bunch of caveats

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Anonymous #1 18h

So you’d be fine with taking down the Ten Commandments and forcing people to display passages of the koran? Or maybe a Buddhist text instead? Nowhere in here are you thinking ‘maybe the state just shouldn’t force religion on anyone, regardless of which religion it is’?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 18h

Nope. Every nation I’ve been to that utilizes those caveats appears to be falling apart. I draw the church/state line (like I was eluding to before) pragmatically. So you don’t have a theocracy, “priesthood” isn’t required or admonished when considering leadership, but competency is the primary desirable criteria. So someone who’s like “get rid of the core tenants of civilization’s stability, I don’t want to see them!” Likely isn’t a very competent judge… or historian… or wise in general.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Right I’m sure those nations falling apart has nothing to do with American foreign intervention / sabotage and everything to do with their religion

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 18h

And I don’t think you do draw the line pragmatically, I think you are entirely failing to account for your own religious biases. Unlike the founders who, despite being majority religious, were very clear about creating a secular nation that did not respect any one religion over another, or over secular interests. Forcing public institutions to display Christian religious texts is a clear cut, black and white violation of that.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 18h

Also I didn’t say we were living under a full theocracy, I said we’re headed that way. Blatant disregarding of the constitution like in my above example are signs that we are moving that way.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 18h

Does your skin itch/burn a little when they are displayed or something?

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Anonymous #1 17h

It makes me sad to see American democracy failing if that’s what you mean, I think it would’ve been cool to keep religious extremists at bay for a little bit longer. It’s actually nice living in a place with religious freedoms

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

You’re still free to believe whatever you want.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

I know it’s hard for you to understand because these people happen to share your religion but I hope you can imagine what you’d feel like if the laws weren’t being broken to your benefit, and instead were being broken to push a Buddhist or Muslim agenda. I think it might bother you too

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Anonymous #1 17h

I think you know how disingenuous that is. You can believe whatever you want in your own head but that doesn’t change the degradation in your quality of life living in a place with state sponsored religion

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

I’m not a Christian just a theologian/engineer (more of an academic)

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

By looking at things mathematically/time you can do great trend analysis. It’s why I’m not worried about a theocracy emerging. Christian’s are too decentralized and at odds with each other to accept opposing denominations priests as political leaders especially for positions of judgement as exclusion criteria

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Anonymous #1 17h

I don’t mean this as an ad hominem but you don’t come across as much of an academic, unless you specifically mean a theological academic. You seemed to drop the argument about how the Ten Commandments thing should be legal because I assume you recognize how unconstitutional it is. Being ok with an unconstitutional policy just because you personally like it doesn’t seem very academic or pragmatic.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

I mean I don’t pretend to be a constitutional scholar but if you know of a good art that covers courtroom decor I’m genuinely interested in studying it. I found out about 50% of what sovereign citizens say has a basis in truth recently so it wouldn’t surprise me

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 17h

Part*

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Anonymous #1 17h

Arguably American Christianity (evangelicals, etc) are far worse for our nation than sin or secular. Religion has no place in government, politics, or school. It has no business being intertwined with the state on any level in any shape or form. I would not be more focused on work if the 10 commandments were plastered in my face I’d be just as concerned about the corruption, crime, and violence being conducted by the very men and woman who claim to champion these ideals.

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Anonymous #1 17h

Are you really trying to say that nations that mix religion and state fail, sll except for ones that mix with Christianity?

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Anonymous #1 17h

Out of curiosity what are the sovereign citizens saying ?

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

They aren’t plastered in your face… they are outside the courthouse. Is this some kind of “vampires must see a welcome matt to enter a building” type of thing? There’s somewhere between 4,000 to 10,000 established religions throughout history/today. If you’re to say “nothing in those can be near a courthouse… you couldn’t have grass… or stone… or a structure of any kind. It would basically just be a parking lot where a judge rolls down his window and hits his gavel against a jersey barrier.

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

And knowing Americans, they would soon after seeing that, make a religion that included Jersey barriers so even those would have to be removed from the parking lot. There’s a tax exempt church for a Flying Spaghetti Monster guys… Debora isn’t going to be happy if she can’t microwave leftovers for lunch because someone’s religion includes spaghetti.

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

Please think of Debora’s happiness when considering how absurd this is 🤣 common.

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Anonymous #1 17h

Why tolerate small violations of the constitution in that direction then? What’s your issue with actually adhering to a separation of church and state and letting Christians just read their texts on their own time?

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

So the thing about not rolling your window down for traffic violations is permissible if you put your license against the window and it’s visible. The flag in the courtroom having gold trim being an admiralty flag, not an American flag, appears to have a basis in truth according to historic records (you have to dig for them). The “traveling” vs driving thing is nonsense. But apparently much of the birth certificate stuff is true (the parts about it not being required, not that it’s some kind

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Anonymous #1 17h

Arguably them being outside the courthouse is worse. There is no place for religion in secular law or governance. If the 10 commandments are fine, then we should put up posters and statues of the commandments in Islam, Confucianism, Satanism, etc.

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

Of document indenturing you to a corporation that is the United States when you’re born, that’s nonsense.)

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

There’s even some truth in the decor matching some occult practices like the judge wearing a specific black/white color scheme (Saturn worshippers) It’s one reason I’m not gonna flip my lid about the 10 commandments. There’s already a bunch of ancient religious stuff built into many courthouses.

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

Like I’ve even measured tiles in the floor on specific courthouses and they match numerous occult groups principals in what they practice as a religion. (Obviously I haven’t done every city) but the few I have, had me doing this face pretty hard, pretty often 🤨

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

I mean you could… it would be an interesting science experiment. I don’t recommend it. Each of the really old court rooms I was measuring was sort of a “point of resonance” (Masonic builders weren’t as elegant with science terms so it’s not a direct translation) so… if you want chaos to erupt from that location rather than stability, you could put ideologies in conflict with one another strewn throughout the area. But it leads me to another point why I’m not worried about them putting the 10

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Anonymous stoner22 17h

Commandments outside again. It sort of balances the Saturn worship (not exactly, but if you think in terms of raw concepts alone) and since those are the core of the big three, most widespread (in ideology/geolocation maybe not in practice) opposition the concepts in those who worship Saturn, you sort of cover everything in between. But if you see a courtroom do that please save this post and either comment or DM me. I would be interested to see how it plays out.

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