Anonymous #4 1w

Idek if it’s worth your time, they haven’t responded to anyone in this

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Anonymous #4 1w

It is quite clear that the ultimate goal of this amendment is to guarantee people’s right to privacy and freedom from unreasonable intrusions by the government. This right to privacy though not mentioned is heavily implied. Another example of this reasoning (as established in griswold v Connecticut) is that the first amendment implies the freedom to associate with groups, clubs, or unions freely.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Now let’s look at the due process clause 14th amendment No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. This says that no state can make or enforce laws that deprive people of life, liberty or property without due process under the law.

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Anonymous #4 1w

The argument goes that the government cannot insert itself into a position of examining people’s medical records and restricting the medical decisions a person makes about their body without violating the right to privacy implied by the 4th amendment and Griswold v Connecticut and without violating the fundamental liberty to make decisions about your own body and healthcare without due process of law.

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Anonymous #4 1w

It is very straight forward. You have an established right to privacy and an established right to make decisions about your healthcare freely ergo states cannot pass laws that restrict you from exercising those rights which happen to apply to abortion as well as the right to say get a vasectomy as an adult within the United States

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Anonymous #2 1w

This was more for me anyways #2.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Because they're killing a baby.

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Anonymous #5 1w

It’s not a baby. Abortions usually occurring before 13 weeks. At 13 weeks it’s no bigger than a lemon. At that stage it barely has a brain or the functions to survive outside of the womb on its own. It’s still a fetus. If a woman decides to have an abortion you or the state should have no say.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Then again, u were defending the confederacy under another post so ppl have bodily autonomy isn’t something u necessarily care much about.

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Anonymous #5 1w

It is not the job of the nanny state to go around acting like the morality police. The government does not get to violate anyone’s right to liberty which included bodily autonomy and the right to make decisions about your healthcare without due process under the law.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

First off I wasn't defending the Confederacy, I was just saying what I've heard throughout my life from people that still have the flag. Secondly, life begins at conception and it is wrong to say that the baby isn't as important and doesn't deserve life because it is smaller at that phase of development.

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Anonymous #5 1w

abortions are also on non viable pregnancies, fetuses at any stage that are already dead or dying with no way to prevent it and those women can still be prevented from getting the abortion

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Anonymous #6 1w

The Removal of an already dead dead in the womb baby and an abortion are two different things.

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Anonymous #5 1w

No medically it’s still counted as an abortion. There’s women who’ve lost their baby who cat have it removed because it’s counted as an abortion. Yes life begins at conception, but what’s the difference between an egg, sperm cell, and a zygote? The sperm and egg joining doesn’t mean anything. When abortions happen it’s usually a clump of cells not a baby and it’s barely even a fetus 😭

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Anonymous #5 1w

U used common arguments used to justify a flag built on anti-black racism. It’s not proud in the south, it’s being proud of being a racist. There is no justification for that flag. Poor southerners liked slavery as well because they aspired to be just like rich slave holders.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Again just stating what I had heard, not saying I agree with that flag. The removal of an already dead fetus is considered different from an abortion in the sense we're talking. Also people like the say "clump of cells", and stuff like that but it's still a developing human and technically we're all just a clump of cells.

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Anonymous #5 1w

No, it’s not different from what we’re talking about. The removal of a dead fetus is considered an abortion. Banning abortion gets rid of access to the removal of a dead fetus. Doctors are scared to remove the fetus so many women end up septic because of it. It’s human cells yes, but it’s not a human. It has to ✨develop✨ into a human.

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Anonymous #5 1w

I live in a state right now where abortion is Illegal and a mother who has an already dead baby or has a miscarriage can have it removed and it is not considered an abortion. The abortion ban is put in place to protect living pregnancies, not an already deceased baby in the womb.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

If you're taking development as a sign that they should have lesser rights, most people aren't fully developed until their 20's, should I be able to kill them?

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Anonymous #5 1w

Not all clumps of human cells are equal. Saying a FULLY DEVELOPED human is a clump of cells is biologically inaccurate and a massive over simplification as to what a HUMAN is😭 I can eat, shit, piss, and breathe. I have fully formed organs, skin, and hair. A zygote doesn’t. A zygote is a clump of cells. A fetus is a mass of tissue until it starts showing characteristics of a human.

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Anonymous #5 1w

A fetus shouldn’t have rights because they contradict the rights of the mother. Why should an organism who barely has a brain and no past memories be given rights over that of a fully developed person who already has established relationships?

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

So should someone on a ventilator that needs help to go to the bathroom be seen as having less rights? Should we be able to kill dementia patients?

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Anonymous #5 1w

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/ Josseli Barnica died because of delayed medical care because doctors were scared to intervene during her miscarriage because of abortion bans..

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Anonymous #5 1w

A person on a ventilator has already been born. Comparing apples to oranges. Dementia patients have already been born, comparing apples to oranges.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Then those doctors should be sued for not knowing that it was part of their job, it is their responsibility to know what they can and can't do. Also you acknowledged it is a human, so why shouldn't a human have human rights like the right to life.

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Anonymous #5 1w

They can’t be sued. Ppl like u who want to ban abortion are the reason shit like this happens. A woman in I’m pretty sure Georgia was medically brain dead and her family wanted to pull the plug. But because of the ban on abortion they couldn’t because she was pregnant and it wasn’t even guaranteed the baby would survive after birth. They forced this woman to stay alive just to force her to give birth and the baby die anyway…

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Anonymous #5 1w

I didn’t acknowledge it was a human…it said it was human cells not a human. Human cells≠human lmao. If we’re giving human cells rights we should ban periods, men shouldn’t be allowed to jerk off, and we shouldn’t kill cancer because they are ALL human cells.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

First off, I can see your point but if she was already brain dead why not try to save a life out of the tragedy? Also how can you have human cells and not be human? And sperm cells aren't the same as a fertilized egg just as there is no ban on the woman taking something to stop the sperm from fertilizing.

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Anonymous #5 1w

They created more tragedy by allowing her to carry it full term. There was no grantee that he would’ve survived and he didn’t. So they forced this family to not only loose a daughter, sister, cousin whatever, but a nephew, cousin, grandson ect. Just because something contains human cells doesn’t mean it’s human. Teratomas contain human cells…are they human?

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Anonymous #5 1w

That’s assuming ppl can afford birth control or a morning after pill. Not everybody can waste up to $50 for a plan b.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Why aren’t sperm cells the same as a fertilized egg? You can fertilize the egg without it so it’ll be a waste of potential babies to waste them?

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

If you can't afford the medication or the child don't have sex, it's not like you catch the flu and you're pregnant you have to actively engage the the activity of child making. Sperm isn't considered the same as a fertilized egg for the same reason there isn't a chicken in your eggs from the grocery store, there is no creation of life without the combination of the sperm and egg.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Sex is more than just means of reproduction lmfao. AND MY POINT EXACTLY. We don’t count eggs as chickens despite having chicken cells so why should a fetus be considered a human? Eggs have to develop into chickens. Fetuses have to develop into humans lmao

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Anonymous #5 1w

And on top of that, assault and abuse does happen. Women are pressured into sex, relationships where abusive men baby trap them, and rape. “Well rape only makes up a small percentage of abortions” we actually don’t know that. The majority of abortions are undisclosed and a large portion of rapes go unreported. So we actually don’t know how many women are getting abortions due to rape. We shouldn’t take that away from people

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Because a chicken egg at the grocery store isn't fertilized. Also, not every human cell is a fetus, a red blood cell isn't going to develop into a child. Furthermore, humans and I believe dolphins are the only animals that really have sex for pleasure, but it's primarily for the creation of offspring.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

I agree rape and life of the mother should be the only time an abortion is allowed.

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Anonymous #5 1w

No, a lot of animals have sex solely for pleasure. Pigs, orcas, sea otters, other apes like chimps and gorillas, lions, and rabbits. Bats have oral sex ffs. We aren’t the only species that have sex solely for pleasure. Even an egg that has been fertilized isn’t considered a chicken until it hatches.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

It is a chicken. Also when people are celebrating the news of a baby it is called a baby shower not a fetus shower or a clump of cells shower. Also circling back to something else you said, anyone that has taken biology 101 knows all living things are made up of cells so the clump of cells argument is invalid

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Anonymous #5 1w

Horses have even been recorded having sex just for pleasure. Feral mares have been documented allowing stallions to mount them even though they aren’t in heat. So it’s actually fairly common(I’m a zoology major) I’m happy ur actually ok with people having abortions when it comes to things like rape and life being in danger. I personally believe if a woman wants an abortion she should be allowed to have it no matter the circumstances.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Do I agree they should get abortions after the brain is developed and it looks more human? Personally no, but I will never know what it’s like to be pregnant or go through child birth so what I think doesn’t matter so I’m gonna remain prochoice because I still believe women should have the right to bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Yeah I suppose you as a zoology major is more informed on animals sex for pleasure than I would be. However, the argument still stands outside of rape and life of the mother why should the baby be killed for the mothers lack of responsibility. Everyone knows there is a chance if they have sex, every condom box says not 100% guaranteed to prevent pregnancy or spread of STDs

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Anonymous #5 1w

A fertilized egg isn’t a chicken. Advanced biology states that describing a fully developed human as “a clump of cells” is a massive over simplification. A zygote is quite literally a clump of cells😭 hence why I said a fetus is a mass of tissue because it is. We also call snakes poisonous so semantics rlly isn’t a good argument for this

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Anonymous #5 1w

It’s not a lack of responsibility. If anything it’s more responsible. If you know you can’t afford a baby, aren’t mentally stable for a baby, or have the support to have a baby the most responsible thing is to not have a baby. These women aren’t “irresponsible” for wanting an abortion. Even people who practice safe sex(getting STD/STI tests, on birth control, spermicide, ect) can still end up with an unwanted pregnancy and there’s nothing wrong with her terminating the pregnancy…

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

A fertilized chicken egg is a developing chicken. Yes it is an oversimplification but still fundamentally correct. You shouldn't be able to kill a baby just because it's smaller than you. Also in the majority of cases in most states if a pregnant woman is murdered it is charged as double.

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Yes there is, even if you don't want the baby it shouldn't be sentenced to death, there are many people out there who are infertile and would love your baby

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Anonymous #5 1w

I’m letting yk now so u don’t think i abandoned the conversation, im currently driving with my boss and coworker outta state to pick up a horse and we’re getting close to the farm so im gonna be gone for idk how long because when we get back ive got stuff to do around the farm/work with my donkeys. If im in the mood and not hella tired when i get home we can continue the conversation then

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Okay, sounds good safe travels.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Appreciate it bro, I enjoyed our discussion! Be safe

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Anonymous #5 1w

Hey, we picked up the horse thought you’d be interested in seeing her

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

I've never really dealt with horses but I've always found them interesting, nice picture.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Horses are cool asf. I’m studying zoology to go into equine conservation. I wanna work with feral horse populations in states like Louisiana and Georgia

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

That does sound Cool, I hope that works out for you. My major is currently undecided but I'm working on figuring it out soon.

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Anonymous #5 1w

You’ll eventually figure it out. We’re young lmao. Whatever it is u choose hope it brings you joy. I’ve also been training some donkeys I was given. These are my two boys. The solid one is already pretty much trained it’s just the brown and white one that needs the training

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Thanks, and yeah I haven't decided yet but I hope to figure out soon. And I find what you do really cool, what's it like training one?

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Anonymous #5 1w

Stressful but rewarding when the trading takes. It’s a lot of trial and error. Every animal is different so one method isn’t gonna work on all. I will say, I NEVER hit my animals. Hitting animals for no reason isn’t a form of training. I only hit animals when injury or my life being in danger is a possibility ie im being charged or it’s turning to kick me.

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Anonymous #5 1w

When I got them they were skittish and didn’t follow ppl or let ppl get close. Within a few months I got them back comfortable being around ppl and they’ll follow me through the pasture. My solid one is already halter broken so it’s just the painted on that needs the most work

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Sry it took me so long lol, I've been on a camping trip in the middle or nowhere, but it sounds like you're very good at that. Also I'd like to point out that I'm glad we've been able to agree to disagree and you seem like a good person.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Same here. I’m happy the conversation stayed pretty respectful lol. Also hope ur camping trip was/is fun

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 1w

Yeah it was fun, other than a fox trying to break into the tent lol. I'm glad it was respectful too, I never hate anybody just disagree on the opinion.

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