Anonymous #2 10w

Fr because as an actual leftist SOME of these things I do actually want/believe. Ex. Socialism, rioting, hatred of police and military

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Anonymous #7 10w

Plus the democrats really are fundamentally a status quo party. They’ll grant concessions to avoid heads rolling but they aren’t seriously planning to change a whole lot of stuff

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Anonymous #2 10w

Socialism isn’t the norm internationally the only people who think this are people who think European countries are socialist. The democrat party is big tent left wing party.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

You can’t be a “left wing party” and also be completely pro-capital and mostly pro-israel. Sure, they’re to the left of Republicans, but both are right wing parties

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

“ big tent” oh boy 🙄

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Anonymous #9 10w

Every country on earth practices some form of capitalism, unless we’re saying almost everyone is right wing. At that point the definitions are a little ridiculous.

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Anonymous #2 10w

It is a big tent we have democrat socialist to Joe Manchin that’s pretty wide spectrum. You can cope about it but it’s true.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

practicing parts of capitalism does not mean you’re pro-capital. This is summed up in the saying “the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its demise”. There can be no socialism without there first being capitalism, this is just the order of things

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Anonymous #9 10w

Most countries are pro capitalism we can play all of these semantics games but doesn’t rlly get you anywhere.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

Yes numbnuts all states are tools of the bourgeoisie

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Anonymous #9 10w

Also if you’re anti capitalism and you’re still practicing it, it’s still a norm that doesn’t change anything. At that point you may as well be a moderate democrat who wants to regulate things.

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Anonymous #2 10w

Ok then it’s not a norm still your not responding to anything I’m saying your just mad at this point lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

It isn’t a semantics game, it’s the development of history. Capitalism could not have come about without mercantilist colonialism, nor mercantilist colonialism without feudalism (with sone steps in between). One system develops out from another. Socialism is the system which develops out of capitalism.

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Anonymous #9 10w

It’s what some people think the development of history will be. I understand the socialist narrative I’m disagreeing with the narrative. Why have we not seen any developed countries go in a socialist direction why has it always been post colonial/feudal countries?

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

This is a common misconception. Socialism is not like Veganism. What i mean by this is, it’s not a choice I make on an individual basis because i morally object to something. Systemic change does not come about by individual action. As a socialist, I’d like to see capitalism give way to socialism. However, until that happens, I cannot “opt out” of capitalism. None of us can.

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Anonymous #9 10w

I’m not talking about individuals opting out of capitalism. I’m talking about systemic change I feel like I’m making that super clear.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

Because the developed nations are instruments of the global ruling class. The global north benefits from the exploitation of the global south, while the global south does not benefit. This is why postcolonial countries reject capitalism. We lack class consciousness in the global north (this is intentional), thus socialism hasn’t taken root here.

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Anonymous #9 10w

Ok but you can’t have it both ways either it’ll naturally develop or it can’t bc of the incentives. Also that’s not true global extreme poverty has been decreasing so the global south absolutely benefits.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

The part that I saw was “if you’re anti capitalism and you’re still practicing it…”. I am also talking about systemic change. But until you change the system, you have to participate in the system, that’s just how it works. Because of the implicit threat of homelessness and starvation, I must have a job.

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Anonymous #9 10w

I’m talking about people in leadership positions not every day people. They are t changing the system that’s the point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

“Great man theory” is one of my main gripes with liberalism. The necessary change won’t happen if we “just elect the right people”. This approach is flawed because these people won’t address the root causes of the injustice of the system. They simply do not have the ability to do so.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

“We have liberals and we have liberals”

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Anonymous #9 10w

I’m not talking about “great man theory” I’m saying there’s reason why countries that have no institutional hurdles to pursuing socialist still don’t pursue it. It doesn’t match your narrative of this natural progression through different economic models.

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Anonymous #9 10w

As an example of this, take private ownership. Because the means of labor are owned by individuals and conglomerates rather than the people who work them, they can extract from the laborers in the form of surplus value (the value the laborers create minus the value of their wage). This is a necessary component of capitalism, and one which is fundamentally unequal. How would an elected official address this?

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Anonymous #9 10w

By nationalizing private property this has already been done and tried. You’re acting like there’s no historical precedent for these things.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

The use of “no institutional hurdles” is key here. Socialism cannot be pursued within an institution. In a word, the issue is not “institutional hurdles” but the institutions themselves.

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Anonymous #9 10w

It’s not key we’re just rephrasing what I’ve already said.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

I resent when people say things“this has already been done and tried”. Before the United States existed, democracy and elections had already been “done and tried”. However, the United States still emerged as an electoral nation. It observed the old nations and made improvements on them. So it is with socialism.

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Anonymous #9 10w

Right well it’s been real nice chatting but I do have to go. Ttyl i guess

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Anonymous #9 10w

Not rlly the United States was extremely unique in many different ways and was one of the First Nations rlly built purposefully on enlightenment values and it became the most successful country on earth. If we got into the specifics we could talk about how countries were successful even despite of socialist policies (even though they were broadly a failure).

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Anonymous #9 10w

Also you can apply this argument to literally any not successful idea. Well x thing wasn’t successful in the past and now it is, that means y thing can be successful. My argument is that being unsuccessful in the past means it’s more likely to not be successful in the future.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

“broadly unsuccessful” as if hundreds of millions weren’t raised up from poverty, as if there isn’t a consistent trend of literacy rates climbing upon the start of socialist rule, as if homeownership and education doesn’t consistently shoot up. These things happen even under sanctions by the United States. Smh

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Anonymous #2 10w

Most of the American public are liberals like what do you want to see? Like do we need a guy who believes in Juche? Maybe if congress represented random online spaces we should.

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Anonymous #9 10w

You can look at chinas gdp growth they started having consistent positive gdp growth once they put in pro market reforms and sezs. Even china’s success has been mostly leaning more into capitalism.

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Anonymous #9 10w

And I think generally some form of wealth distribution works but that’s not inherently socialist. The U.S. and European countries already do this to some extent. I feel like it’s speaks more to how extractive colonial and feudal governments are more than anything.

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Anonymous #11 10w

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Anonymous #10 10w

Republicans: Love America Democrats: Hate America

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Anonymous #11 10w

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Anonymous #10 10w

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Anonymous #11 10w

Bro is getting no play if hes on yik yak at the club.

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Anonymous blue__wave 10w

I have a beautiful girlfriend waiting for me at home. Don’t need play. Hanging out with the bros and just responding to notifications

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Anonymous #11 10w

Very respectable

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