Anonymous #1 14h

if you want to play the woker so bad, why aren’t you also calling out the fetishization of trans women

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Anonymous #2 14h

space limit + he’s not a trans woman. also I’m trans fem and grimaced when I saw this post. I’m not gonna say it’s “problematic” but I didn’t like it bc the joke is just sex. it does feel fetishizing to me but I’m not gonna act like my sentiment is universal

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Anonymous #1 14h

Please point to me where exactly I said the validity of trans men is intrinsically tied to being subservient

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Anonymous #3 13h

You don’t have to be a trans woman to call out the fetishization of trans women

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I just wish people would actually back up their statements rather than going “ohh this is fetishization and you think all trans men should be subservient”. Like I’m just asking people to please actually read what I said critically bc I think that reading is uncharitable at best

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Anonymous #2 9h

Actually I can answer this - it’s because this post was literally about denigrating trans men. Finding trans women funny is not fetishizing. And I waited to see if any of the trans women I knew on here would disaprove of the OOP, because it is not my place to determine when someone is being offensive to trans woman. And lo and behold, a trans woman who is usually very good about correcting people, thought the OOP was funny and had no problem. So, not my place. Why don't you complain?

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Anonymous OP 9h

So if you have a problem with what they said, in what world is it appropriate to make a post like this, which to be quite honest sounds like you're *agreeing* with the OOP that trans women are funnier, instead of like, saying "hey wtf is wrong with you?"

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Anonymous #1 9h

I ask you for a second time. Where in my post did i specifically denigrate trans men? You still haven’t stated what is denigrating to trans men in particular

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Anonymous OP 9h

Oh sure! Saying "a man's place is worshipping women" when referencing a post exclusively about trans people denies (trans) men as full autonomous beings who have worth outside of what they bring to others. Much like saying a woman's place is to be subservient to her husband is misogynistic because it places value exclusively on her providing for a man. It pulls on the same misogynistic rhetoric around subservience. Hope this helps.

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Anonymous #1 9h

Nonononono. I said men. That can refer to trans or cis men. guaranteed if this joke was about cis men we would not be having this conversation. Additionally, acting like I was being remotely serious here is laughable. 74 people got the joke. Finally, how the actual fuck can you claim this to be misogyny when both A) the joke MOCKS that rhetoric and B) we have ACTUAL misogyny in here when people are pulling the “erm I didn’t say anything about trans women being fetishized, it’s not my place”

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Anonymous OP 9h

*about cis men exclusively

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Anonymous OP 6h

Talking about men on a trans specific community when the person you are rbing from is talking exclusively about trans people means you are talking about trans men, yeah. And no, it’s not obvious at all that you are mocking them. I don't find it funny to use misogynistic rhetoric against anyone, for any reason. And again, I showed the OOP comment to trans women in my life, some on here, and none had a problem with it. They did all somehow have a problem with your response.

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Anonymous #1 6h

If I was talking about trans men exclusively I would have said trans men. Just like if I was exclusively talking abt cis men I would’ve said cis men. And if you don’t find rhetoric resembling boomer misogyny funny when it’s being done in a way that’s mocking that very rhetoric, that’s your problem to handle and not mine Also it is obvious enough to the point 77 people have upvoted this post. Unless you want to claim that every upvote was from a misogynist

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Anonymous OP 6h

Oh so I guess talking to a trans man talking about trans men on a sub dedicated to trans people and saying men means you aren’t talking abt trans men? Or do you mean because you're also not excluding cis men it’s okay to twist this around? Considering your defense has been that you actually believe your statement and not that it’s a joke, and deflecting, and btw, still not actually saying anything to the og person, yeah I am starting to believe that everyone who upvoted it has a lot to unpack.

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