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Bro has a degree in being trans 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous #2 20h

Words have meanings, and at the same time, why hate on someone for applying a word to their OWN experience that they feel personally fits them best? If “gay trans women” or “lesbian trans man” or whatever else is out there is the best descriptor for someone’s own personal experience, why try to tell them it’s not? Definitions should exist! At the same time, we’re humans living unique experiences and we’re all a lot more complicated than a textbook definition

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Anonymous #3 20h

Autocorrect *woman not women 😔

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Anonymous #3 20h

Can mods not remove my comments every time I express my opinion on trans men lesbians? It’s not even a negative opinion lol. We have to have these discussions every once in a while

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Anonymous #2 20h

(Watch them remove my comment again)

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Anonymous #3 20h

Yes I agree people are more complicated by words but we are still subject to words unfortunately. Like I said… I DONT HATE TRANS MEN LESBIANS… hello mods… but at some point we have to think critically about everything and some reasons for things are not always a net positive

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Anonymous #2 20h

If a moderator wants to discuss this with me my DMs are open LOL.

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Anonymous #2 19h

why do you think it’s not a net positive?

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Anonymous #4 19h

Hopefully you see this before it gets removed. Sometimes people are only willing to accept trans men lesbians because of bioessentialism. They think it’s only possible because trans men were “AFAB”. Which is dumb. And excludes trans women lesbians. THIS ISNT EVERYONE but I have also seen some trans men lesbians spreading this rhetoric which does much more harm than good

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Anonymous #2 18h

i understand that. i’ve honestly never seen someone support trans men lesbians for that reason but im sure they’re out there. is that the only reason why your opinion is mixed about it tho?

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Anonymous #2 18h

and i’ve honestly more often seen people support trans women lesbians but not trans men lesbians

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Anonymous #4 18h

It’s not the only reason but if I tell my other reasons I might get banned lol. But I have encountered people like this before and it’s very unpleasant. I think we need to move away from AGAB terminology as a whole

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Anonymous #2 18h

ur right that comment was dumb

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Anonymous #2 18h

It’s pretty concerning that you’re aware your other reasons might get you banned. I just don’t understand why you feel the need to control how other people describe their own personal experiences, which you yourself cannot have not lived. We can’t know what other people’s gender identity feels like, and I don’t see the point in trying to tell them that they’re wrong about themselves

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Anonymous #2 18h

I also find it concerning that you took my comment about trans women who identify as gay, trans men who identify as lesbians, and “whatever else is out there”, and only had things to say about lesbian trans men specifically…

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Anonymous #2 18h

None of the trans men lesbians and trans women gays I’ve met have had bioessensialist reasons. A majority have expressed they identify with the labels because of their connections to them prior to realizing they were trans

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Anonymous #2 18h

I wish you all would listen to elder trans people, read about our history, and just LET OTHER PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES

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Anonymous #3 17h

Do you understand that #2 is for trans men lesbians? Like they are agreeing with us! They are just pointing out another issue in the nuance that happens. Some people think trans men lesbians are okay but not trans women just because trans men were “born women.” Which is also wrong and bad. Both are acceptable, not one or the other!

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Anonymous #3 17h

I never said anything about not letting other people live their lives lmao. I clearly said that I don’t hate trans men lesbians. And the reason why I brought them up is because there’s so much more said about trans men lesbians than gay trans women. And frankly I’m a little annoyed whenever people try to just say “read our history”. A history of exclusion and hatred from the rest of the queer community is what I see. And don’t tell me to read stone butch blues! It’s not even about a trans man

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Anonymous #5 17h

Unless I’m wrong and they’re saying it’s weird people are using that label. It really doesn’t matter what people use for themselves as long as they don’t do the harm which #2 is describing. Words do have meaning, but contradictory labels are also okay because there is nuance in the multitude of life experiences out there.

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Anonymous #2 13h

Stone butch blues is literally about a transmasc lesbian though, which is why it’s an important read. I know Feinberg isn’t a binary man, but some people still have problems with non-binary lesbians too. History of gender nonconformity and contradicting labels is what “read your history” means, I don’t really understand, if you see queer infighting that’s not what “read your history” means.

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Anonymous #2 13h

The reason why trans men lesbians are more of a debate (unfortunately a debate) than gay trans women is because it also has ties to TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminism) so the debate is whether men are allowed in lesbian spaces. I know it’s weird though I’m just stating why it is probably a wider discourse

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Anonymous #5 12h

I am talking about trans men lesbians so stone butch blues still doesn’t apply lol. But I do understand that some people have issues with nb lesbians—I do not and again was not talking about that. I am just frustrated when people tell me “read history” when they clearly haven’t even looked critically at the history themselves

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Anonymous #2 10h

mod here! I didn’t remove your posts, but maybe the other one did. regardless, if you have any legitimate complaints with mod decisions, please discuss them under the pinned mod post. passive-aggressive remarks don’t help resolve anything.

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Anonymous #1 10h

sidenote, but putting "trans man lesbians" & "words should have meaning" right next to each other tends to be a massive red flag for bad-faith discourse (no matter the intent), which is NOT what this space is for. please realize that others will understandably misinterpret you when you start off with a slogan.

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Anonymous #1 10h

note that this is a response to your public comments—and it's directed at everyone, not just you. Gipsum makes pinned posts in large part so y'all can ask about mod decisions, so please use the given tools, everyone. thanks 🫶

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