Trans Talk on Sidechat | I kinda wish we still called bottom surgery a sex change. I feel like I see too many people nowadays acting like you can’t change your sex.

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Trans Talk 1d

I kinda wish we still called bottom surgery a sex change. I feel like I see too many people nowadays acting like you can’t change your sex.

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Anonymous 1d

Mm I’m kinda with you here, too many alt terms but I really like SRS

Anonymous 1d

I mean yeah it’s changing sex characteristics but “sex change” implies you’re changing from one binary sex to the other. I think it changed to stop ascribing to the idea of binary sex, even if the new term doesn’t inherently imply that you can change sex

Anonymous 1d

Personally i hate it for myself, just like i hate the term transsexual for myself. But im not everyone and if people like it they should use it

Anonymous

#2 1d

I agree w this, we cannot change sex, which I don’t think should matter, tbh sex is a pretty unneeded category except for some medical necessities, but we still can’t change it. Like 2 said we can change sex characteristics like any of the wide list of phenotypic sex/adult sex characteristics but it will not change our genotype.

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Anonymous

#3 1d

what no, you can definitely change sex since sex is based on a ton of things and many of those things are changeable. chromosomes affect how sex might express itself, sure, but they’re not end-all-be-all. if anything, they’re the least important for someone’s sex

Anonymous

#3 1d

Do you think all cis people know what chromosomes they have and what their exact sex is, or do we base sex off of visible characteristics. Please think logically. What separates a cis woman who may not even have xx chromosomes from a trans woman who’s been on hormones and has had srs

Anonymous

#3 1d

My sibling in Christ what does HRT do if not change your biological sex😭. It changes nearly every sex characteristic eventually besides like genitals. Definitely does all the secondary ones.

Anonymous

OP 1d

99% of the US population doesn’t know their chromosomes since they’ve never been karyotyped. sex as seen and defined by society has never been chromosomal

Anonymous

OP 1d

(in agreement)

Anonymous

#4 1d

yeah idc what people say bc I’ve changed my sex 😭

Anonymous

#2 1d

Yea I agree 100% like I have tiddies and a period now what exactly is “biologically male” about that😭

Anonymous

#4 1d

Again what you guys are talking about is a phenotype. You can change your appearance but the sex doesn’t change, let’s be real with ourselves. And if someone is born intersex and doesn’t know it they’re still intersex? Idk what that was supposed to prove.

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Anonymous

#3 1d

4 stages of sex determination in humans include chromosomal determined at the time of fertilization, development of gonads, continuation of sex development of internal and external genitalia, last is phenotypic sex through adult sex characteristics.

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Anonymous

#4 1d

Also technically men still have a hormonal cycle as well, basically their “period” except its on a weekly cycle rather than a 28 day cycle

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Anonymous

#3 1d

genotype isnt how sex is determined and never has been idk what else to tell you

Anonymous

#3 1d

Y’all can boo me all you want this really is basic biology, and I’m a trans woman 😭 like holy shit I’m going for a whole ass masters in bio

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Anonymous

#3 1d

I am no biologist but just quickly googling makes the word “phenotype” seem more akin to groups of genetic factors like having brown hair or green eyes. Like the example Wikipedia gives is Labrador retriever coloring. This does not sound like it relates to sex much at all.

Anonymous

#2 1d

A genotype is quite literally your entire genetic makeup, this includes your specific layout of sex chromosomes

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Anonymous

#4 1d

A phenotype is just what you look like, like what traits you display, genotype is the genes that make up why you display those traits.

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Anonymous

#3 1d

I’m gonna put a cap on this conversation here, and leave the final decision on whether to keep this comment chain up in the morning. Not gonna take sides, there’s just enough discourse happening here to violate the rule. I get it, there is a disagreement here and both sides feel that their correctness is obvious and implied. Neither of you is changing the others’ minds so let’s leave it here while it’s relatively civil ❤️ thanks yall!

Anonymous

gipsum 1d

Valid honestly🫡 If I comment here again it’ll just be unrelated to that topic and just about what OP said

Anonymous

#6 21h

yeah agreed, I’ll never use the term unless someone refers to their own surgery as a sex change. then I’ll call their surgery a sex change because that’s clearly how they think of it/want to call it. I deeply dislike the term because of my worldview and parts of my own transition experience, but we should all be able to extend due respect by referring to others and their transition in the way they prefer.

Anonymous

#2 21h

dislike it for myself* I don’t hate it inherently since it helps others better contextualize their experience and feel comfortable in their transition. so I’d never hate it outright lol