Anonymous #1 1d

i mean no. gender dysphoria has a specific definition (distress caused by the incongruence between one’s gender and one’s ASAB). it’s defined within the dsm v and a diagnosis is often a prerequisite to being able to access gender affirming care. cis people’s gender and ASAB matches. if they have appearance related anxieties, those would be better described as dysmorphia or insecurities.

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Anonymous #1 1d

like a lot of people make this joke about hair transplants for cis men, but that’s not treating *gender dysphoria*. male pattern baldness is a feature of being a man.

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Anonymous #2 1d

unfortunately it’s a becoming a pretty common talking point and being discussed on the LGBTQIA+ yak rn.

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Anonymous #2 1d

it’s double upsetting when people just use it as a “gotcha” to covertly put down conservatives (ex. talking about ron desantis wearing lifts in his shoes as “gender affirming” and then making fun of him for it. like.)

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Anonymous #3 1d

that’s being insecure, not having gender dysphoria. gender dysphoria has a specific definition.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ok but why🤷‍♀️ It’s not a different emotion really It’s not a different procedure It’s all the same only difference is societal perception

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Anonymous #3 1d

it’s not “societal perception” or insecurity that makes me upset with my natal genitals and want bottom surgery. it’s literally the *incongruence between my gender and my ASAB*. it’s gender dysphoria.

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Anonymous OP 1d

and to make it super explicit, you don’t have to medically transition to be trans. idc about that, y’all are still valid, etc. this is just about people trying to recharacterize gender affirming care to mean things other than a treatment for gender dysphoria. that’s what i don’t get and what i’m disagreeing with.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I mean sure that’s one perception but that’s just from a place of trying to separate out specifics Like yeah sure things can be more intensive and important for us in different ways but it’s the same emotion caused by different things to the same effect U wouldn’t say someone isn’t sad because they don’t have depression

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Anonymous #3 1d

yes but crucially “sad” and “depression” are different. you wouldn’t treat someone with antidepressants if they were “sad”.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I wouldn’t change a cis persons gender 🤷‍♀️ Theres extra to be done sure like anti depressants for people with depression but they both need some level of care such as talking to people or even talking to a therapist Same reason I wouldn’t give someone with dysmorphia every treatment under the sun and treat them different than I did before finding out they were struggling with that It’s the same problem with the same solutions but just to different degrees

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m not gonna stop calling someone’s therapist a therapist because they aren’t depressed

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Anonymous #5 1d

fr. like being worried you’re not an *attractive* man is different than *not feeling like a man*. it’s pretty transparent that people use “gender affirming” (for cis people) to mean “looking hot” or “caring about their appearance.” which completely misses the point.

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Anonymous #3 1d

already said this, but trans people have lived their lives being called something they’re not. that creates an extreme dissonance that exacerbates or even causes body-related dysphoria. that is a uniquely trans experience.

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Anonymous #4 1d

nobody’s berating anyone, cis people inherently don’t experience the same dysphoria as trans people. that’s all that’s being said.

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Anonymous #6 1d

Yeah so do cis people… That’s kinda what body dysmorphia is… Like I hate to break it to u but cis people and trans people aren’t as different as u may think Trans people just so happen to be born into an already shitty situation that causes more extreme problems

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Anonymous #3 1d

that’s literally the point. trans people experience the same/similar, but on an entirely different scale. trans people, specifically before realizing/coming out, are unilaterally invalidated by every person and system. cis people are inherently not treated like this, ever. I know a cis woman with a beard who says her dysmorphia is not anywhere close to a trans person’s dysphoria.

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Anonymous #6 1d

Yeah but would electrolysis not affirm her gender in a caring way🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #3 1d

you’re missing the point. it’s not about the care. it’s about its medical necessity. dysphoria can be crippling for a trans person. it is uncomfortable for a cis person.

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Anonymous #3 1d

electrolysis would allow her to present as she wishes and avoid misogynistic abuse. this isn’t saying cis women should never get electrolysis or boob jobs, cis men should never get hair transplants or limb lengthening surgery etc. people should do whatever they want with their bodies. it’s saying that it’s not *gender affirming care* because it’s not treating *gender dysphoria*.

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Anonymous #3 1d

facial hair on a cis woman is not conforming to patriarchal beauty standards. facial hair on a trans woman is seen as evidence of “really” being a man. those are different.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I mean i do feel like some tcis men struggle w that tho. Specifically those with gyno and stuff like that

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