Anonymous #5 5w

so basically ya! r u saying ppl can’t support americans bc of trump?

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Anonymous OP 5w

israel is an ethnostate actively trying to wipe out palestinians. if you are an “israeli” who isn’t actively against the government and the genocide you are the problem. if you are an american who supports Trump you are also the problem. does this make sense to you?

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Anonymous #5 5w

did u even read the whole post? “both r held in captivity by their govts”

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Anonymous OP 5w

yeah but ur wrong tho. israel isn’t real and they’re on stolen land. land back! free palestine from the river to the sea!

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Anonymous #5 5w

It all depends on how far you wanna go back in time. At some point, borders and countries are drawn and you have to move on, as sad as that is. But that’s how countries have come about for centuries. In the 40s, Palestinians had a righteous cause to fight for. Now, Palestinians don’t have the military strength to fight back anymore, and Isreal will never feasibly be destroyed. The time for a two-state solution needs to happen now before Isreali settlers take whatever Palestinian land is left.

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Anonymous #1 5w

i understand where you’re coming from and obviously at this point in time the massacre needs to end. but it is unfair to just have to accept that after the continued atrocities. the cause is still very much righteous

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Anonymous #5 5w

the fact u don’t know ur history, nor what the slogan means is concerning

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Anonymous OP 5w

oh i know what it means ! 🤗

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Anonymous #5 5w

okay, so calling for a genocide, after crying about a ‘genocide’ is crazy work. makes u hypocritical. and honestly worse, u see the negatives to it and u still wish to do it upon ur enemy. u can’t be better than ur enemy if u become it

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Anonymous OP 5w

yea so that’s not what the slogan means learn ur history lmao

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Anonymous #5 5w

I agree, all the recent atrocities Isreal has committed are horrific, but they’ve only been in response to a similar action created by Gaza. Many times in the recent past, Isreal has tried to help create a lasting two-state solution, but every time, Palestinian leadership rejected it. The moral edge the Palestinians once had has eroded significantly.

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Anonymous #5 5w

Yes, it’s unfair. It really sucks actually. But at this point, I think stability for the Palestinian people governed by the Palestinian people is better than a government endlessly killing killing their own people for an unobtainable goal.

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Anonymous #1 5w

you’re feeding into a misinformed narrative tho and ignoring over 70 years of settler colonialism. I wish it could be that easy to say two state solution but they’ve went too far and made it certain that even israel does not want to share the land in any capacity

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Anonymous #5 5w

it rly easy and U r the one that’s ignoring history by letting the media feed u propaganda

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Anonymous #5 5w

I’m not ignoring it, there definitely was, and it was bad. I would have liked them to win at that time. And I also agree, Isreal doesn’t want to work with them anymore, for understandable reasons, but it’s also not right. A two-state can really only happen at this point if we didn’t have a dick-suck president that would push Isreal more, and a Hamas that would disband and let the PA run both regions of Palestine. Then there could be more progress, but it can’t just be Isreal every time.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I mean hamas has agreed to the ceasefire deals over and over and who keeps breaking the agreements? It’s hard to stay neutral and not just see israel for what it is

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Anonymous #5 5w

hamas simply needs to release hostages. if they simply wanted peace, why wouldn’t they do that?

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Anonymous OP 5w

they deadass have agreed to that and for the millionth time there is no sound justification for the genocide.

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Anonymous #5 5w

they have to relinquish power too. or else it defeats the whole purpose. so they haven’t agreed to shit

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Anonymous OP 5w

relinquish power to the oppressors yayyyyayy let israel completely take over yayay! doesn’t seem like a solution to me.

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Anonymous #5 5w

so u wanna continue to give them an excuse to keep this shit up? okay. ya.

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Anonymous OP 5w

israel keeping this shit up? 😭 like I don’t know why we’re spinning this any other way when there are hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians lives lost

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Anonymous #5 5w

Ceasefires aren’t negotiations for long term peace and future sovereignty. Obviously.

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Anonymous #1 5w

yeah and israel can’t even uphold temporary peace so idk what u mean by tyat

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Anonymous #5 5w

Bro. It’s one thing for Hamas to actually want peace and good faith negotiations. It’s another to want to have a ceasefire to rebuild arms, members, and bases of operation. These are not equivalent violations of peace.

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Anonymous #1 5w

Sigh idk why you wanna act like israel hasn’t violated every law in the book in terms of war crimes. But okay

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Anonymous #5 5w

Same with Hamas, lmao. Honestly, I’m so fed up with the both of them, I don’t really care what happens to either of them anymore. Actually, if a US president gave both sides 3 months negotiations to come to an agreement about a two-state, and if they can’t come to an agreement, whoever gave more concessions should get nukes to kill the other side. It’s so stupid.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I don’t really think you can compare the two. And honestly that’s a crazy statement after your stance on the two state solution… now ur okay with innocent lives on both sides being taken? 😭

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Anonymous #5 5w

Pre-Trump, Isreal still tried to prevent casualties at least. Hamas never cared about war-crimes from the get go. Yes, Isreal killed more people, but they were heavily exasperated by Hamas’s unwillingness to protect its citizens. On top of the fact that they will just straight up target civilians. Truth is, both civilian populations are mostly fine with what the governments are doing, which is the most fucked up part.

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Anonymous #1 5w

If their citizens are so stuck in their ways that they can’t see eachother’s humanity or put aside their pride maybe this is how it should end up going. At least Palestinians have a fighting chance😭🥀

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Anonymous #5 5w

Obviously, I want a two state to work but as long as we keep having these unnuanced conversations and just blindly agree with one side without looking at the other, of course this conflict will keep going. The international (including the US) conversation NEEDS to shift to both sides coming to a two-state solution. Mindlessly giving Palestine support only prolongs this conflict.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I appreciate your respectful discussion but you’re just wrong with this claim😭 Israel was insane under Biden admin as well. You’re falling for the propaganda Hamas this Hamas that. Really hard to blame the oppressed’s response

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Anonymous #5 5w

it’s rly hard to be oppressed in land that isn’t urs

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Anonymous #5 5w

I’m sorry, what other military warns citizens before they drop bombs? That’s right, no one. Isreal still kept aid pathways open because Biden demanded them too. Now we know what real starvation looks like with Trump’s admin. I could say the same about you and propaganda. It’s also really hard to blame Isreal for large civilian casualties if the militants hide among them. We can keep doing this tango, but it’s clear you can’t really zoom out to understand the other side.

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Anonymous #1 5w

This is why Isreal will keep winning over and over because Palestinians can’t take a defensible position. The actions in the West Bank by Isreal are objectively evil, but all we all want to focus on is the group that wants to curse all JEWS.

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Anonymous #1 5w

sigh you really fall for the brainwashing so easy. in no world will bombing a hospital because a potential “threat” is inside will be okay. and now you wanna make this an issue of religion when there are palestinian Christians, Jews, and Muslims all being harmed. idk how to reach you guys if not through a empathetic perspective but it’s okay my yik yak comments aren’t gonna change your worldview

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Anonymous #5 5w

Bro, please tell me what Isreal was supposed to do about Hamas operating underneath a hospital? Also does it not make you sick at all that Hamas decided to operate under there in the first place? Hamas made it about Jews in their charter, not Isrealis, Jews. Does that not make you at least a little uncomfortable? Or are you just going to dig your heels in more? I want a Palestinian state as much as you do, man

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Anonymous #1 5w

they were not operating under a hospital why are you believing israel and the us? you should question a bit deeper

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Anonymous #5 5w

My apologies, the New York Times analysis of Isreali evidence indicated that Hamas stored weapons and ammunition underneath the hospital not that it was an operation hub. I’ll give you that, but that is still, unfortunately, a war crime. Weapon caches are valid military targets, making it still illegal to hide amongst civilian infrastructure.

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Anonymous #1 5w

The New York Times has been proven to be an invalid source during the genocide and I wouldn’t recommend looking for it for accurate information

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Anonymous #5 5w

Oh my bad, I guess I should only take my information from Al Jazeera and the Gaza Health Ministry, right?😭💀

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Anonymous #1 5w

Lots of other networks too. But ok demean the journalists actually on the ground and actively being targeted by the idf 👍

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Yes

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Anonymous #5 5w

I’m sorry, give me the your evidence that the NYT has “been proven to be an invalid source.” Obviously, I’m not going to take you throwing out this report seriously until you give me some examples lmao

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Anonymous #1 5w

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236130609/new-york-times-hamas-attacks-israel-palestine

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Oh god, it’s just because it’s owned by jewish family. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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Anonymous #5 5w

Idk if you can click the link but there’s an NPR article that goes into detail. Just look it up as well many reports highlight their anti palestinian bias

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Anonymous #1 5w

Also, im not sure if you are playing devils advocate very well or if I am misunderstanding your stance entirely. Do you acknowledge that what is occurring against the Palestinian people is a genocide? Or not?

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Anonymous #5 5w

So I’m getting from this was that there was some disagreements on the validity of one story for the Oct. 7th 🍇s that happened. But I mean, yeah, it’s kinda hard to conclusively prove 🍇 if Hamas fucking murders them after. It’s pretty clear that they did happen though, and there were plenty of other examples in the NYT article.

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Anonymous #5 5w

But also I don’t really care if their biased as long as their right, you know? Like, I don’t care of a news paper is biased against Republicans if they post pro vaccine information. It’s just factually correct, bias be damned. Give me the evidence that the NYT just lies about Isreal-Palestine

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Anonymous #1 5w

Ok so then why can’t you trust Al Jazeera ? 😂

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Anonymous #5 5w

I honestly checked out of the situation after Trump got reelected since, you know, he’s fucking insane. But when Biden was in office, I don’t think there was a genocide. There was a war, a horrible, horrific war, with a giant death toll that could have been avoided. But not every bad thing needs to be elevated to the worst, most horrific thing ever. I didn’t think that the actions to commit genocide was there for Isreal at the time. Now with Trump, though? Idk maybe, I’d have to look into it.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I really really would recommend looking into it. What’s crazy about it is how live streamed everything is. We have an insane amount of footage and information on the ground and it’s sickening how most can turn a blind eye. Please stay informed on the actions of Israel, even outside of Palestine, and their relationship with the US.

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Anonymous #5 5w

It’s not that I don’t trust them, from what I’ve seen they just have a bias, and that’s fine. I was more saying that in response to you just invalidating the NYT with zero evidence given.

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Anonymous #5 5w

yet we have live footage and eye witness reports of ppl claiming it’s lies, and so many videos i’ve seen about palestine r clearly fake😭😭

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Anonymous #5 5w

You’re right. It’s also was so off putting seeing all of these leftist influencers online push the narrative that Isreal-Palestine would look the exact same under Trump as it would Harris and not actively support Harris in her campaign out of spite for her not doing everything they wanted about Israel. Like damn, it’s obvious they didn’t care about the conflict that much. But I digress.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I mean that’s debatable considering how heavily funded by Israel she was. But that’s another discussion. I wish you the best with your further research and hope that you keep an open mind

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Anonymous #5 5w

Thank you, you too!

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oooooo we got a REBEL!!!! watch out ladies and gents!!!!

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Anonymous OP 5w

That’s not rebel material that’s not punk either that’s just being dumb, i do however agree with not supporting israel as a whole cuz the UN’s lil experiment was set for failure to begin with. Like bruh instead of helping the world not be racist towards jews, sure just fit a good chunch of the scared & afraid ones into an echo chamber, that will do em good 🤦 (regardless if that echo chamber was sitting on top of someone else’s home)

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Anonymous #6 5w

carelessly rushed an accidentally perfect recipe for a villain origin story from the very begining

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Anonymous OP 5w

But no yea, not understanding the “only 30% of all jews worldwide ate zionists” statistic, & then on top of that, not understanding that a good chunk of that 30% are actually either stuck in israel or trying to protest the problem from the inside, is wild work

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Anonymous #6 5w

& also not rebel mentality. A good rebellion is one in which everyone understands the nuances of right vs wrong enough to organize a successful & aptly targeted rebellion that hurts as least innocents as possible

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Anonymous #6 5w

u clearly didn’t get the sarcasm brother

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Anonymous OP 5w

I did lmao i’m playing off on it as if he thinks he’s a rebel kinda the same way u are, (tagging him as someone that acts like he thinks he’s a rebel going against the grain or wtvr)

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