Anonymous #1 11w

It’s literally just a fact lmao I’m not saying the dairy industry should stop pasteurizing milk that would jsut be dumb I’m saying clean raw milk where animals are treated properly and healthy produce milk just as clean as the disgusting ass exploitative dairy industry does when they pasteurize it (which isn’t even clean because the bacteria and shit is still there it’s just dead… ew)

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Anonymous OP 11w

Unless the cows are raised in a completely sterile environment and come from a sterile mother, there is no way they won’t have microbes living in/on them. Like every other mammal, they have bacteria and viruses that grow on them. That’s why milk is pasteurized in the first place. It doesn’t matter how well you treat them, they will still have harmful microbes.

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Anonymous OP 11w

When you say the milk isn’t clean because the bacteria is dead, what do you mean? Because like if you’re concerned about dead cells, do i have something to tell you about your skin and GI systems 😱

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Anonymous #1 11w

It’s a scare tactic because they make money off it, I’m not saying it’s 100% safe but if done right it’s just as safe as any other milk, obviously it’s an anecdote but I’ve been drinking a gallon and a half every single week for a year and a half and never once gotten sick, and that’s because I make sure the farm I get it from treats the animals well and keeps them healthy and isn’t just looking to profit

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Anonymous OP 11w

What’s a scare tactic? The fact that 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy result from unpasteurized milk and cheese? You literally have no concept of germs or germ theory. And also, your anecdote is. it worth anything close to the over 150 years of evidence demonstrating that pasteurization and disinfection of water has led to drastically decreased deaths due to water-borne, bacterial, and diarrheal diseases.

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Anonymous OP 11w

An animal can be “healthy” in the sense that it isn’t outwardly sick, and yet still pass on harmful contagions to humans. It’s literally immunology 101 that bacteria that aren’t infectious to 1 species can be highly infectious to another.

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Anonymous #1 11w

My point, once again, isn’t that we should blatantly stop pasteurization, your analogy is not accurate because it’s like saying we should drink spring water because sewage needs to be filtered first, I’m only arguing for raw milk from clean, regenerative, ethical farms that treat the animals well and keep them healthy

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Anonymous OP 11w

Shouldn’t drink spring eater*

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Anonymous OP 11w

that’s literally not my analogy though? i’m saying you can’t drink tap water without it being filtered first because sewage water always has germs. pasteurized milk is the safest way to drink milk, full stop. science has known this for 170 years, you’ve chosen to ignore all evidence of that though because by god it hasn’t hurt you so it must be false

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Anonymous OP 11w

not if, but when you get sick (due to raw milk consumption or whatever other stupid thing you’re doing), don’t you dare go to a hospital or somewhere that they practice science and evidence-based medicine. you don’t get to cherry pick what you do and don’t believe in. let natural selection do its thing

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Anonymous #1 11w

Yes you once again made the same analogy I just deconstructed, tap water must be filtered because of germs, YES I AGREE, but that logic doesn’t apply to a natural spring, same way sick and unhealthy cows produce milk that SHOULD be pasteurized because of germs and bacteria, YES I agree, you are once again acting as if my position is that no milk should be pasteurized and that raw milk is safe no matter where you get it, which is NOT my position

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Anonymous OP 11w

I know what your position is, and i’m telling you right now there is no such thing as a “clean” or “healthy” cow that is 100% free of any microbe. If you believe otherwise you literally might be the dumbest person on the planet. There are microbes literally everywhere, and cows come into contact with all of them all the time, no matter how they’re raised. Because of that, all cow milk has the chance of being contaminated. There is no “spring water” in this dude. You’re just ignorant and dumb

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Anonymous OP 11w

Keep drinking that raw milk though buddy. I’d love for natural selection to start thinning out the herd of half-wits like you

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Anonymous #1 11w

If you really can’t see the analogy then all hope is lost for you, I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dude you made up the analogy, not me. Idk why you’re so hyperfixated on this. There is no analogy necessary. Man drink raw milk, raw milk have germs, man get sick; Man boil milk, no milk germs, man healthy. That’s it! Like there is literally no analogy needed for a concept this simple. If you needed to invent one so your pea-sized brain could understand it, that’s all you babes

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Anonymous OP 11w

You’re genuinely dumb lmao

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Anonymous #1 11w

You literally brought up water. Here: Cow raised unhealthy. Produce bad milk, bad, milk pasteurized, gooood Cow raised healthy. Produce good milk, raw milk okay, also gooood

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Anonymous OP 11w

I said water-borne diseases because cows drink water you fucking dunce. You can say raising cows healthy will make them produce good milk all you want, but it’s still literally impossible to keep them germ and bacteria free.

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Anonymous #1 11w

Is it possible to 100% ensure that any milk or grocery product is free from disease?

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Anonymous OP 11w

…have you ever worked with cattle, OP?

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Anonymous #1 11w

Not only are you a dickhead who willfully misconstrues ops argument you’re also dense as fuck. Science is doing an experiment and seeing the results and repeating, he’s tried the raw milk from a good source and repeatedly consumed it rerunning the experiment several times and has come to the conclusion that some raw milk is fine to drink. You sitting here and arguing like it makes you some profound intellectual and insulting op just makes you look like a childish loser grow up dude

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Anonymous #4 11w

I’d hardly constitute 1 person drinking raw milk and being “fine” as a science. I’d know because i’m a science PhD student. In immunology. Which is why i can say with certainty that all cows are going to have microbes that can be passed to humans, regardless of how ethically you treat them. Hence, why decades of actual scientific discovery will tell you raw milk is dangerous. But go off i guess

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Anonymous OP 11w

Yes, by pasteurizing (boiling) it. Because any harmful pathogen in the milk will die from the heat. That’s why milk is pasteurized. You’re this 🤏 close to the point

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Anonymous #1 11w

You’re literally lying if ur claiming pasturized milk is 100% safe. It’s not my job to convince you, I could give af if you are consuming nutrient dense food. Keep supplementing with bio unavailable foods and pills, I’ll keep being in peak physical health with my freak of nature immune system. Btw “Science” can be skewed in any direction based on funding and I’m sure you can agree with me on that, obviously I’m not a denier of science but lots of nutrition studies are BS if u read them

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Anonymous OP 11w

Prove the science is skewed then. I’ll wait

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Anonymous #2 11w

Lmao you haven’t even provided any science, you just say “studies”, are you gonna disprove all the ‘studies’ showing all the benefits? The CDC itself claims that almost every issue with raw milk comes from preparation and environment rather than from properties inherent to raw milk itself

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Anonymous OP 11w

Right, because all nutrition studies except the ones you “read” are skewed. The CDC also has data showing that the amount of hospitalizations from 1998-2018 due to consumption of raw milk is 10X higher than consompution of pasteurized milk. “Freak of nature immune system” and it’s prob peptides and snorting creatine. You people really are inventing a new brand of stupid. Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave

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Anonymous #1 11w

The immune system comment was satirical, and no I’m not in anything unnatural. And yes I am not disputing that raw milk in general causes more hospitalizations, but that is raw milk in general, which I am NOT advocating for (idk how many times I must say it), I advocate for ethical, healthy, clean raw milk which can be TESTED without pasteurization, the same we do with literally thousands of other foods

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Anonymous #1 11w

Also creatine is the most studied nutrient in history and it is unambiguously good for you, idk what ur point was bringing that up

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Anonymous OP 11w

Show me when I said that

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Anonymous #1 11w

Yes changing the variable of different people will provide better data but you know humans carry microbes and most microbes aren’t actually bad for you just because of the presence of microbes in unpasteurized milk does not mean it’s going to be bad if the cows are in a good environment where they don’t consume anything that could negatively transfer to its milk and the consumer of it then it is completely fine to drink unpasteurized milk

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Anonymous #4 11w

Ok so 1, using punctuation will make your comments a LOT easier to read. 2, many microbes and pathogens exist in all environments. For example, ringworm, which is generally topical and mostly harmless, is literally everywhere. Animals kept in the best possible conditions can still contract or carry ringworm, just like any other pathogen. They’re opportunistic, and there will always be opportunities. Furthermore, once the milk has left the teat, any exposure to air also brings the possibility of

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Anonymous #3 11w

Contamination with microbes. That’s just how air is. Pasteurizing the milk kills them.

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Anonymous #3 10w

1 the sentence flowed fine without it this is yikyak not a thesis statement 2. If milked in a sterile clean environment where the element of air pathogens has been minimized or eliminated then you have clean raw milk to drink. The conversation wasn’t about most raw milk it was about the ability for raw milk to be healthy to drink

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Anonymous #4 10w

You can’t sterilize a barn? Especially not with the cattle coming in and out. Your argument confuses me

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Anonymous #3 10w

Maybe YOU can’t

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Anonymous #3 10w

This just tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about most dairy farms don’t milk cows in a barn they have a special building for it which is more sanitary than a barn. And you could definitely have a sterile building to bring the cows into and milk it’s perfectly possible

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Anonymous #4 10w

Milking barn. That’s usually what it’s called. We keep it as clean as possible, but you can’t sterilize a living thing. Sterilization is a process that kills all the cells, like using an autoclave.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Also note that I said where all the pathogens/microbes have been minimized OR eliminated. Obviously you can’t sterilize a cow but if the cow is raised in an environment where exposure to harmful things is minimized then put into a sterile environment you can get clean raw milk

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Anonymous #3 10w

And do remember we’re talking about the possibility of clean raw milk not that all raw milk is clean or that you are doing what it takes to achieve it

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Anonymous #3 10w

Keep in mind also that the numbers of RELATIVE risk for drinking raw vs pasturized milk SOUND bad, but if u look at absolute risk it’s near zero, same as pasturized milk, the stats are only SCARY, but if you actually look at them for what they say, the risk is almost nothing

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