Anonymous #1 3w

yes i agree most guys rnt like that. but also, simply seeing redpill content doesnt make someone this way, u gotta be in a state of mind where that kinda content just speaks to u same thing for women. we arent born self hating, we just see stuff online and compare ourselves to it and the self hatred forms

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Anonymous #2 3w

exactly and that’s my point here. women take that hatred/anger/sadness out on themselves. the male version (the black pill kind) tends to take that anger out on women/society for not accepting them cause theyre “not a chad”

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Anonymous #4 3w

yea thats why i said generally💪

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Anonymous #3 3w

we typically blame men for the objectification, for the need for bodily perfection… we blame ourselves for our skin breaking out, our hair being thin, or our face not looking right

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Anonymous OP 3w

but thats what im saying i disagree w. ur taking a sample from both genders (the ppl uve seen & experiences uve had) & making a generalization abt the gender as a whole (saying this is generally how they behave). i dont think thats accurate

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Anonymous #4 3w

well first of all im generalizing specifically insecure men and women, not just men and women as a whole and do you really think there are more black pill women then men? and are you aware of how rampant the push towards self hatred and insecurity was for women especially in the 2000s? these are very acceptable observations rooted in real evidence. just cause ur looping urself into this description and feeling it doesnt fit u does not negate my claims

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Anonymous OP 3w

i- nvm. my mistake. i shouldnt have even commented😭 none of that is what i am saying or what i believe so continuing this is just going to be pointless. lets agree to disagree & leave it at that

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Anonymous #4 3w

no i am very down to have a productive conversation if you’d like to clarify what you are actually saying. cause to my interpretation you were just essentially saying “but its not all men or all women that present that way”

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Anonymous OP 3w

okay. so yes i recognize that ur generalizing ppl who r insecure not all men & women (when u think abt it tho, id bet a very high percentage of both men & women r insecure in some way or another so it makes up a large part of each population anyway) but, no i wasnt saying that i think there r more women who r "black pill" than men. thats just a generalization the other way around. & yes i do recognize that women have been culturally taught to direct their self-hatred & insecurities inwards. pt 1

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Anonymous #4 3w

the issue i have & why i said i disagree is bc recognizing trends & understanding them & how they might impact us is diff than generalizing & preemptively assuming those issues r present when they may or may not be on the individual level. at least thats how i see it. (& no i do see myself in ur description so thats not the issue)

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Anonymous #4 3w

in what way was i not staring a recognition of a trend? i put it in an easily digestible (almost meme like format) because i was posting this claim on social media rather than forming a whole academic argument for it. i just found it interesting how the same sort of people (insecure and chronically online teenagers and young adults) tend to have handled these situations as a collective… how women (especially back in the 00s and 10s) tended to think less of themselves and keep those qualms to th

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Anonymous #4 3w

themselves, and how the men (of the previously mentioned classification being online and insecure) manifested the black pill movement (which projects those qualms and hopelessness onto society and mainly women). do you have an alternative suggestion for how to more accurately observe or generalize these themes?

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Anonymous OP 3w

what i mean by recognizing a theme instead of generalizing is going in w more of a maybe approach. like informed but not assumptive. we can be aware of potential issues that might be more likely to be present for men & women on an individual level due to the past but not assume that those issues r then going to be automatically present for the majority of men & women on a wider level, thats when i feel like it moves from recognizing & being informed to assumptive if that makes sense

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Anonymous #4 3w

so how would you suggest i have worded this post? (while not being scoffed at for too fancy of verbiage or for over explaining myself)

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Anonymous OP 3w

idk if its so much a matter of wording as the approach itself. since social media posts r naturally going to be more global since we arent talking to anyone in particular i feel like this post at its core is looking at things from the assumptive/generalizing perspective & a change in wording isnt going to be very beneficial. bc of this i feel like a more productive way to have this conversation would be approaching the topic on an individual level (person to person) so we're then able to take on

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Anonymous #4 3w

the "informed but not assumptive" role. thats how i think we can facilitate real change

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Anonymous #4 3w

yeah if i came on here and said “i have noticed an occurrence within some individuals to where the manifestation of insecurity presents itself in varying formats often but not always according to gender in ways that reflect or suggest a more underlying predisposition to express one’s frustration and disconnect with the world through means of anger and self isolation into online communities that reinforce these internal conflicts and direct such energy either outwardly to the world or inwardly

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Anonymous #4 3w

to one’s self” id get laughed off this app

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Anonymous OP 3w

no one’s reading ts, you probably even got bored trying, i have to put it in an easily digestible format and that doesnt always allow me to be precise with my claims. its up to the reader to interpret it and know that by my use of “generally” i am not suggesting this is a guaranteed pattern or an observation that applies to all insecure people of the respective gender

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Anonymous OP 3w

again thats not what im saying u should do but its fine we're just not gonna see eye to eye

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Anonymous #4 3w

so please tell me how specifically i should have worded this. i just want you to see that there is no way to give the topic the full justice like you said, while also effectively get the information out there/read at all

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Anonymous OP 3w

my friend, i explained this in my previous comment😭 its not abt just changing the wording & magically itll be better its a matter of taking a completely diff approach since making a social media post to the masses inherently FORCES u to generalize vs talking to individual ppl where u can take the other approach thats what im trying to say & where we arent seeing eye to eye

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Anonymous #4 3w

so how do u suggest i bring awareness to this issue. to the observation of how these two groups are being made to react to insecurity by social media?

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Anonymous OP 3w

i dont think u actually want my suggestions at all🫠 i think ur just trying to corner me into admitting ur right so u can feel vindicated

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Anonymous OP 2w

How old are you?

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Anonymous #3 2w

probably older than u lol i graduated college last year

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