Anonymous #2 4w

i live in dearborn lol

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Anonymous OP 4w

Right… I said nothing about higher concentrations. As immigrants immigrate all over the country, and maybe do more research than reading a google AI response about a question before forming a political opinion you will carry on for the rest of your life and spread to others and your children. More than happy you have strong feelings about your political opinions, just make sure they are backed by logic and statistical reason and not solely your feelings

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Anonymous #3 4w

well it did include undocumented immigrants which is what u were referring to and it literally saids their are no links between them.

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Anonymous #3 4w

so you’re saying immigrant women face higher risk of sexual assault compared to non-immigrants because they’re more vulnerable? So the citizens are actually putting the immigrants in danger?

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Anonymous OP 4w

It is a danger to both sides

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Anonymous #3 4w

so women are in danger. Immigrant women. Most sexual assaults committed in America are by US citizens what’s less than 10% being non-citizens.. so what’s your point? What is a correlation between immigrants and sexual assault when immigrants are more likely to be assaulted and not report the assault to not be deported. but the assault is being done by the US citizens themselves..

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Anonymous OP 4w

it’s a lot harder to convict a non-citizen as the police can’t contact them, they don’t have a known address, family, work ETC because they are undocumented. so saying non-citizens commit less sexual assaults/ related charges, is a very very biased and flawed argument. #3s argument is that a high percentage of undocumented immigrants seem to have heinous charges that are highlighted by the news/media. They Feel that as a woman, you are making yourself more vulnerable w undocumented immigrants

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Anonymous #4 4w

but i agree with your original post OP. The kinds of people who can defend and excuse murder seem like the kind of people that would excuse sexual assaults, rape, and abuse.

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Anonymous #3 4w

This isn’t a real thing. Undocumented people commit crimes as way lower rates than citizens and are at higher risk of being raped because of a vulnerable position. As a woman I’m so SICK of people only pretending to care about us and our rights and safety when they’re using it to say some heinous shit about other marginalized people.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I don’t honk you understand how immigration works because most noncitizens, including undocumented ones, have things like tax ID numbers, families, and work and go to college. Like they do way more paperwork than people realize because, shocker, they are integrated into communities where they live. You’re also using “noncitizens” and “undocumented immigrants” interchangeably which is hugely problematic

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Anonymous #5 4w

okay yes i realize i used the non citizen an undocumented immigrants wrong, and i apologize. but the point #3 was making had nothing to do with people who were working and going to college. those people ARE documented. if you have tax ID numbers, work, and go to college, you have documentation, the argument is not involved with those people at all. they are specifically talking about immigrants that did not use the proper channels to enter the country, and there’s no paperwork at all

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Anonymous #5 4w

that’s available to pursue anything that has to do with them. if they didnt use a single channel to immigrate legally/ gain legal entry into the country, theres slim to no chance that they are going to be convicted if not caught on the spot for the crime they are committing

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Anonymous #4 4w

I mean, is it really that hard to find non-citizens Trump is doing it right now and is killing them and citizens in the process.. how would any data show that ~10% of sexual crimes are made by undocumented people unless the undocumented people were arrested for it? immigration has nothing to do with a rise in sexual crimes. legal status or not people are being sexually assaulted or, are sexually assaulting people.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I think you are also confused about what undocumented means and taking it too literally. What do you think DACA was?? Undocumented means you don’t have your immigration papers, it doesn’t mean you literally don’t have any paperwork. There’s actually almost nobody in the US that the latter applies to.

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Anonymous #4 4w

The studies show that most sexual crimes are done by citizens, so how am I making myself more vulnerable with undocumented immigrants? Study show that a documented immigrants are actually the vulnerable ones two citizens because they are too scared to go against the citizens because they do not want to be deported. Immigrants make themselves more vulnerable coming into our country hoping for a better life.

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Anonymous OP 4w

that’s the point that i’m outlining. they aren’t getting convicted because they are either fleeing after the crime or getting killed by trump. i never said it was okay.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Like I don’t think this is ill intentioned but it does speak to how little Americans at large understand the immigration system, while still being really confident in their misunderstandings, which I think is such a huge part of why we are in this mess in the first place.

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Anonymous #4 4w

A lot of “ undocumented” immigrants that come in the country are actually documented when they come in, but they overstay and thus become illegal immigrants.

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Anonymous #5 4w

there’s actually a ton of people in the U.S. that it applies to. a simple google search will tell you that MILLIONS are lacking DACA

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Anonymous #4 4w

and where are they flea too if they have no documentation ?

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Anonymous #4 4w

fleeing to*

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Anonymous #5 4w

yeah you seem to be really confident in misinformation aswell, so you’re part of the problem you’re labeling on me

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Anonymous #4 4w

No my point with DACA is that it’s for undocumented people and requires lots of documentation to get. Seriously genuinely I don’t mean this in an aggro way bc you seem well intended, but I would encourage you to educate yourself further on the terminology and reality on the ground here because I think you’ve really misunderstood some things.

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Anonymous OP 4w

yes that is true. but not all, and those are usually the problematic ones. the story i think about is the girl visiting the college campus in Georgia. I think the history behind that perfectly outlines the argument

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Anonymous #4 4w

I worked at the National Museum of Immigration for like 3 years 💀 like I have a background in this.

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Anonymous #5 4w

okay that’s great but there’s millions of people in the U.S. that didn’t go out and get the protection from deportation, and they are completely and literally undocumented, like they don’t have anything that proves that they even exist. that’s what i’m saying, and you told me that i’m misinformed.

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Anonymous OP 4w

who knows? they are undocumented, nobody can keep a tab on them if they don’t have proof they even exist

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Anonymous #4 4w

I said you were misinformed because you defined undocumented immigrants as people with literally no documentation of their existence, which is not what it means. Between census data, tax records, public school enrollment, healthcare systems, lease documents, phone plan and other billing records, city and in some cases state IDs, and any number of other things its functional really really difficult to not have any documentation that you reside in a country just by doing really mundane stuff. 1/

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Anonymous #4 4w

while her story is very sad and does bring an negative image to illegal immigrants. Do you know how many women are raped on college campuses by males who are citizens? also, she was never sexually assaulted, to fight her case in court the prosecutor said that he was gonna sexually assault her, but none of the medical records showed that she was sexually assaulted. But, Ruth George, a IMMIGRANT college student who was murdered and sexually assaulted by a US citizen on her college campus

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Anonymous #4 4w

if someone is undocumented, how would they flee the country? They don’t have any documentation to go through the border… the US border on both the Mexican and Canadian size are heavily guarded. It’s easier for Mexicans to come into America because they don’t have as much guards on some parts as America

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Anonymous OP 4w

I said Mexicans, but anyone could come through the Mexican boarder. my mistake

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Anonymous #5 4w

To the point where you would kind of have to go out of your way to do so. Again, these people exist in and are generally enmeshed in local communities. You’re talking about there being millions of people with absolutely zero documentation of their existence but you really haven’t put forth any evidence that this is the case. The truth is the US has always kept loose track of our undocumented population because the country makes profit from their labor and spending and the IRS wants a cut.

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Anonymous OP 4w

oh i know it’s very sad the amount of men that commit those horrible crimes. there needs to be more done to prevent sexual assault and rape, and it’s extremely unjust that it’s swept under the rug. i am fully for the safety of all people, “illegal” or not. I’m not saying immigrants are horrible people or even worse than US citizens either. that’s not the point i’m trying to make. I would love for the U.S. to revamp immigration laws so that more people can have the right to live freely in the …

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Anonymous OP 4w

U.S.. if we revamped immigration laws, we could actually keep more documentation, which would protect more people, which is my entire argument. If undocumented immigrants weren’t in fear of our outrageous and cruel government, and were allowed to truly experience freedom in the U.S., we could have more documentation on all, which would make it easier to convict the small handful of sexual assaulters and rapists that are included in the immigrants

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Anonymous #5 4w

i did not say all undocumented immigrants are people with no documentation, i said that there are millions of undocumented immigrants that truly have 0 documentation, which makes it harder for police to convict when they have 0 information. its easier than what’s told if a simple google search will tell you that there just are millions that don’t go to school, work for taxed money (not under the table), or have a drivers license. there’s millions that are simply just breaking the law because …

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Anonymous #5 4w

they will get deported if they go and actually try to get some form of documentation. i’m not saying that it’s right or i agree with any of it, but it’s immature to think that it’s not happening.

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Anonymous #4 4w

do you know how hard it is to get a citizenship in America? Do you know the half of the people getting arrested by ice right now are actually getting arrested while leaving immigration court, meeting they are literally trying to get documentation? did you see any of the news reports and posts showing that people that were already detained by ice are now getting their citizenship in the mail? meaning they were in the process of doing it legally when they got detained.

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Anonymous #5 4w

there’s only 4 million that were protected by DACA in 2023, and of the Estimated 14 million undocumented in the U.S. that means 10 million aren’t protected, meaning they didn’t do that paperwork. They might have “papers” for the country they immigrated from, but none actually in the U.S., which makes them extremely harder to persecute. sadly the overwhelming majority end up doing labor jobs that pay under the table and the IRS is “oblivious” to it- bec they would face such backlash

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes i referenced how sad it is that it’s such a struggle. i dont know what point you’re trying to make to me. i dont want it to be this hard, its sad. i wish these people were treated with decency and respect and they aren’t, and it puts us all at risk for the situation i had made earlier

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Anonymous #4 4w

The point you were trying to make earlier is that immigrants are sexually assaulting people and since they don’t have documentation, they can’t be arrested or prosecuted But they are being arrested that’s how we know that ~10% are done by undocumented people. that’s also how we know that majority of the crimes are done by documented people. it’s also proven that people who are undocumented don’t come forward because they don’t want to be deported making THEM the vulnerable ones.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I genuinely dont know what point you’re trying to make about DACA. Not being a DACA recipient doesn’t make you not exist on paper anywhere or impossible for the police to find. Those 10 million other undocumented people overwhelmingly have addresses, jobs, phone numbers, etc. that they can be tracked with. Which is how we know there’s about 10million. Also IRS isn’t oblivious, they get like $100 billion from them every year and semi-regularly go after companies when they don’t get their 1/2

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Anonymous #5 4w

Income taxes. Thats a huge reason why the TIN system even exists.

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Anonymous OP 4w

no no, i said it was much harder to be arrested or prosecuted when there’s no information on them, which can explain why there’s a lower number. and yes they are also vulnerable to being a victim of said crimes, never said they couldn’t be. yes the majority of crimes are being done by citizens, as citizens make up the majority of the population, which is something else i never argued.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Like undocumented people are not harder to prosecute, they tend to commit fewer crimes, in large part because of their vulnerability to being deported and dying in the countries they were fleeing in the first place. I don’t really know why that’s so unbelievable to you.

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Anonymous #5 4w

the IRS is pretty oblivious, and that doesn’t seem like a whole lot of money for a whole lot of people. yes they have been known to go after companies who abuse the system, but i can tell you from multiple experiences that almost every labor company in the US pays at lease a few people under the table. and my point with DACA is you said previously that people who applied for DACA did MORE paperwork than your average citizen, and i’m trying to explain to you that the majority of undocumented…

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Anonymous #5 4w

immigrants (10 of the 14 million)did NOT use daca, which invalidates your statement of saying that the majority of undocumented immigrants have done more paperwork than citizens

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Anonymous #4 4w

technically, the only thing making it harder to arrest non-citizens is due process

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Anonymous #4 4w

Where did I say that most undocumented people did more paperwork than citizens? Or that most undocumented people have DACA??

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Anonymous #5 4w

I think you’ve been misreading things I said because atp you’re telling me I said things I didn’t.

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Anonymous OP 4w

due process is MY WHOLE POINT. THEY CANT ARREST BECAUSE THERES NO PROOF THEY EXIST to continue with due process. it’s right fuckin there

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Anonymous #4 4w

due process just means they have a right to a fair trial lol has nothing to do with documentation ..

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Anonymous OP 4w

wrong. it says right there “ensures fairness in LEGAL matters.” it’s really hard to give someone due process/ charge someone when they don’t have documentation! they actually have to give the person documentation in order to charge them! or else you’d see “unidentified person is being charged”- which does. not. hapoen.

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Anonymous #4 4w

girl, everyone is documented.. us documentation or not they are documented. “ ensures fairness in legal matters” just means citizen or not they are ensured fairness no one is given citizenship to go through legal hearing. You have it mixed up with illegal people who are witnesses to a crime. They are given citizenship so they are allowed to stay in the country to testify… A lot of the things

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’ve been trying to explain this but she won’t believe it….

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Anonymous OP 4w

that explains everything

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Anonymous #5 4w

girl at least we tried 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #7 4w

I grew up in Queens, New York. Went to college in Buffalo, New York. And now live in Dearborn, Michigan. The most hateful and racist people I’ve ever met, were in Buffalo, New York, heavily populated by white people. (now it’s more diverse) so yea, id more comfortable with immigrants

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Anonymous #5 4w

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