Anonymous #3 2w

Exactly lol

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Anonymous #3 2w

never refers to people as curses. the curses are the troubles he threatens, not the people

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Anonymous #7 2w

The curse is the rise of the foreigner, so the foreigner is a part of the curse. Jeremiah 5 says the LORD is raising a nation from afar against Israel as a curse, one who doesn’t speak the language (sound familiar?). Isaiah 1 says foreigners have taken economic means. Deuteronomy 23 discusses not allowing foreigners into the house of the LORD. In several places in the Old Testament the Lord instructs the Jews to not leave any alive when expelling foreigners, even women and children. Try again.

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Anonymous #9 2w

Please define stolen.

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Anonymous #3 2w

The Bible consistently commands people to care for those who are not from their land: Exodus 22:21, Deuteronomy 10:18–19 and like I stated earlier Leviticus 19:33–34. Christian teachings also emphasize hospitality and compassion: Matthew 25:35, Hebrews 13:2. Christian scholars note that the Bible teaches that every human being has inherent worth regardless of immigration status, and nowhere does it support prejudice or mistreatment of migrants.

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Anonymous #5 2w

For Roman’s 13 about respecting the law. Laws exist, but they do not override moral commands to love, protect, and act justly. Biblical obedience to God never means supporting cruelty or injustice. The Bible does not equate “law enforcement” with moral righteousness.

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Anonymous #3 2w

OVERALL the Bible’s message is closer to “Living on another’s land doesn’t make someone less human. Loving them as your own is the moral responsibility.”

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Anonymous #8 2w

Stolen - take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. Google’s free yk 🤷

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Anonymous #9 2w

Dawg what.

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Anonymous #9 2w

Well Indians didn’t own land they just lived in it

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Anonymous #10 2w

I’m well aware, Webster. Thank you.

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Anonymous #5 2w

So when are you going to beat your slaves?

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Anonymous dawn_puzzle_piece02 2w

If i went into the wilderness and built a fort, that’s my fort. I own the fort. I don’t need to have a piece of paper saying it’s my fort. But if someone comes and takes my fort. They stole my fort. Especially back then. Native Americans owned their land. Ever cracked a book and learned about the Trail of Tears? Cmon buddy, I know you had to have passed 5th grade by now.

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Anonymous #8 2w

Wonderful, just had to make sure 👍🏼

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Anonymous #4 2w

My point is that some Native Americans didn’t believe in land ownership, thus it wasn’t stolen from them. The second group believed in controlling land, but didn’t have the same concept as us for owning land. These natives would constantly fight over and for land. My conclusion is that this land isn’t stolen, simply won or conquered. Was it morally right is a different question. By saying they’re just reclaiming their land (Mexico to Texas-yes I’ve heard this) one admits they are invading.

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Anonymous #8 2w

“I don’t understand their concepts of belonging and equate small battles to genocide to feel better for supporting the continued erasure of people who aren’t white colonisers.” That’s you.

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Anonymous #8 2w

Regardless if Native Americans believed in land ownership with other tribes shouldn’t really matter. That was tribe vs. tribe. What the point of the argument is colonization vs. tribes. Europeans didn’t just simply walk up to tribal leaders and say “Yo, can we like take this?” Native refused. Thus battles, famine, genocide, disease, and just pure blood shed was spread. Colonizers drove them out of *gasp* THEIR land. I don’t think the natives understood “Oh yea, they won fair and square.” 💀

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Anonymous #10 2w

Ok makes sense, but they didnt have the concept of land ownership

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Anonymous dawn_puzzle_piece02 2w

Their land the lived on it

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Anonymous dawn_puzzle_piece02 2w

Different cultures have different ways of interpreting land ownership and other factors. I’m pretty sure they understood what land ownership was, they just practiced it a different way. Doesn’t give colonizers the right to just completely obliterate their way of doing things upon their first steps onto America. If we are thinking to current times, colonizers should’ve succumbed to Native law 🤷 but that’s a deeper conversation.

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Anonymous #10 2w

They were like “ ok we can share this land I guess” and then the Europeans moved right in

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Anonymous dawn_puzzle_piece02 2w

Well, it wasn’t that simple. Again, my reference to battles, famine, genocide were all factors in how the colonizers abused their stay and overran their land. Some natives/tribes were probably welcoming at first but then quickly realized the truth of their stay.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Your right. You should love no matter what. The issue is you cherry picking the bible to fit your narrative. That’s where it isn’t okay

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Anonymous #11 2w

Grossly taking that out of context too. Don’t try to play the morals card when you are purposefully spreading disinformation about the Bible

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Anonymous #5 2w

It’s not disinformation. Your book tells you how to own and abuse slaves.

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Anonymous #11 2w

Show me then. Let’s discuss in good faith

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Anonymous #5 2w

Can’t have “good faith” discussions about a book hellbent on abuse. Show me where it says “do not own and beat slaves.”

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Anonymous #11 2w

You are still dodging the burden of proof. Make a claim and back it up, it’s truly that simple. Take off your horse blinders you’ve put on the bible and be honest with yourself. You claimed the bible supports abuse of slaves. So stick to your word and show it or admit you had embellished the claim

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Anonymous #3 2w

Leviticus is not only a Jewish text—it is part of the Christian Old Testament. Christians believe Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, which is why not every law in Leviticus is followed in the same way, but it remains Scripture and must be understood in context. Christians traditionally distinguish between ceremonial, civil, and moral laws, continuing to affirm moral teachings like loving your neighbor (Leviticus 19:18) and pursuing justice and compassion.

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Anonymous #5 2w

In Christian theology, when Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, ceremonial and civil laws tied to ancient Israel were no longer binding, but the moral law remained. That’s why Christians don’t follow every Old Testament rule, yet still uphold commands like loving your neighbor, pursuing justice, and protecting the vulnerable. This isn’t cherry-picking—it’s the foundation of how the New Testament understands the law after Christ

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Anonymous #5 2w

It’s written in your fucking book. You need to show where it was advocated against.

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Anonymous #11 2w

You claimed abuse is allowed so you must substantiate your claim. Do you actually not know how the burden of proof works?

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Anonymous #11 2w

Provide the verses where it says that is what I’m saying, I can’t be clearer then this it’s how the burden of proof works

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Anonymous #5 2w

You’re the one saying it’s not there when it is. Please, show me where it says slavery is abhorrent, should never be practiced, and that beating slaves so long as they don’t die. Go ahead, refute Exodus 21:20-21. Let’s see where your book of abuse says slavery should never happen.

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Anonymous #11 2w

You claimed abuse was permissible, now you are moving the goalposts you’ve got to be kidding me

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Anonymous #11 2w

Also, it’s refuted a couple verses later. This is the exact problem with cherry picking. Read 21:26-27. If a master injures a servant (eye, tooth, etc.), the servant must be set free. That clearly doesn’t allow for abuse

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Anonymous #5 2w

As compensation for an eye or a tooth. You’re welcome to whip them, cane them, push them around, induce starvation, any of that.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Can’t forget how it tells you to kill your family in Deut 13 if they don’t worship your fictional abuser in favour of another. That’s so loving!

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Anonymous #5 2w

Your book is indefensible. It’s disgusting. So are you for defending it. Your ilk are the lowliest abusers there are. You’ve wiped out entire civilisations. I cannot wait for your mythology to be left in the trash where it fucking belongs.

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Anonymous #10 2w

So the Europeans won the war?

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Anonymous #8 2w

There are no “winners”.

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Anonymous #8 2w

Exactly what #11 said. There are no winners. Europeans won nothing. Because here we are again fighting within.

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Anonymous #5 2w

how do the laws matter if our own law enforcement doesnt follow them? aka murdering people. it is murder so dont even try to say its not.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Op quotes two verses and you act like they cut a verse in half and took it out of context because of the different verse in a whole different chapter 💀 Jesus says to follow the law unless the law is commanding you to do something against God. So the verse that OP quoted actually takes priority over the one you quoted. To love your neighbor as yourself and to love god above all are the biggest and most important commands ever given by God.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Like how Jesus says to pay taxes but to also give to God. The whole point is God first, earthly laws second. Jesus gave the two most important commands in the entire Bible, and you’re trying to use letters that Paul wrote to override Jesus’s direct commands.

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

So in Leviticus 19 , it’s commanded loving and fair treatment of foreigners living among Israel, not the abolition of law or borders. Jesus affirms both love of neighbor and respect for lawful authority. Scripture does not pit compassion against justice, nor Jesus against Paul. That undermines the NT and simply wouldn’t make sense to do so. And even then Leviticus doesn’t eliminate law, borders, or accountability

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Anonymous #5 2w

No one is saying we shouldn’t have any boarders or rules. But what is happening is not fair treatment of foreigners, it’s appalling. Just listen to what the detainment centers are like for these people, for citizens who have been held there or the children being abused, or for all of the PREVENTABLE deaths occurring there. And that’s just discussing the detainment and not CECOT or ICE raids or the deportation of people to countries they aren’t from, etc.

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Anonymous #5 2w

If we are supposed to help the needy in all cases, be the good samaritan without exceptions (because all of the people who passed the man by had their own reasons why they shouldn’t help him), love our neighbors and treat foreigners fairly, we are failing extremely in the USA right now. We are stripping them of their homes, their loved ones, their health, their life, and their freedom all without trial or any oversight.

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Anonymous #14 2w

Quite the projection lol

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Anonymous #4 2w

It’s just truth.

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Anonymous #11 2w

So the roughly 2.1 billion Christians and counting worship Trump as the messiah?

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Anonymous #4 2w

you clearly don't know what projection means. or hyperbole for that matter

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