i am a white south african student in the us. you are partly wrong. there is no genocide happening. but white people are definitely being killed and mistreated there more than normal. a man from my town was blinded and left alive and the last thing he saw before the africans took his eyes out was his wife and daughter being raped and killed after his son was shot. you donât know what youâre talking about.
Please do a bit of research before posting misinformation on the internet đ An organization called the Economic Freedom Fighters in South Africa have been calling for the death of all whites and encouraging acts of violence against them, which is all easily confirmed by a quick google search across multiple websites đ
There certainly isnât a genocide ongoing but there is targeted violence against White groups. White people in South Africa still own a majority of the non-industrial capital in the country, and wealth inequality remains a major issue there. This inevitably results in the White population being envied and eventually targeted for being seen as privileged, *but they actually are.* The current civil affair of South Africa most greatly resembles the Tutsi-Herero dynamic of Pre-Genocide Rwanda-
Oh yea so the 4th most popular party in south Africa saying they need to not be afraid to kill white farmers, and singing songs about killing them, âexpropriate land without compensationâ yeah none of that means genocide. You also donât have to be a victim of genocide to claim refugee status, but they are being targeted for murderâŠ
video evidence of south african leaders encouraging violent racism against white people is "falling for the bullshit." oh and btw trump is literally hitler. but youâre one of those anti racist types right? got it. you people are so r x t x r d x d it genuinely makes me wonder if youâre just a bunch of bots lmao
when they chant âkill the boerâ what do you think that means? it may not mean genocide then, but they have no problem killing us. if i shout âkill the jewâ or âkill the blackâ it is bad but not this one? i never want to go back to south africa and i am very happy i will never have to. my home is an AIDS ridden, violence ridden, horrible place to live
Even Elon Muskâs ai Grok, that HE helped created, states thereâs not factual basis to claim a genocide is occurring in South Africa. But what is true are a bunch of white people are terrified after the people they subjugated for years finally got their land and power back after Apartheid nearly destroyed their culture and people.
i love how AI is unreliable unless it supports what the person critiquing it wants and let me fix: black people who donât live under apartheid are killing white people who donât live under apartheid in violent, brutal, dehumanizing ways in an attempt to scare the white population into submission or worse. i donât need to tell you what worse means
yes. apartheid ended in 1990. that was 35 years ago. whites have not held any real power in government. the ANC is not focused on rebuilding, like nelson mandela wanted, they are focused on revenge. and anyone born after 1990 who died did NOTHING to contribute to apartheid obviously apartheid was horrific but mass killings in response over the course of 35 years are not okay either and you seem to think they the
just because you do not like the source doesnât mean it isnât real. watch the documentary. listen to THE BLACK PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE DOCUMENTARY. you need to educate yourself on what is really happening and itâs really ironic youâre calling me a racist when youâre claiming white people arenât facing persecution in modern south africa
Again THERES NO MASS KILLINGS cause there ISNT A GENOCIDE. They arenât even disproportionately being killed bud đ just because a couple white people got murdered donât mean you can claim a genocide. Itâs so fucking disrespectful to actual marginalized groups who are ACTUALLY facing oppression.
and we ARE facing oppression. you can say âoh the farmland belongs to the black south africansâ. did you know that that WASNâT farmland before white south africans developed it? so we developed all the land, farmed it for centuries and get it ripped away from us. is that not oppressive land policy? targeted towards one specific group? sure sounds like it is to me
Bro itâs not even âtrending towardsâ one. At all. Itâs a right-wing conspiracy that racist white people created cause they lost power in a country they colonized. Youâre saying âthere isnât a genocideâ but you sure are sympathetic towards a conspiracy theory that has zero proof.
I can hardly blame black South Africans for resisting their oppressors when they were being subjugated and criminalized on their own lands. If youâre asking me to condemn them for that, then I wonât. If you place people in apartheid, and they resist, youâre the one at fault. Not them.
this isnât the gotcha that you think this is. i donât even know what this point about the phrase existing before apartheid ending is even supposed to prove? it just means that when they keep singing it, they donât care about reconciliation and just want revenge. you actually strengthen MY point
White South Africans make up 7.3 percent of the population yet own 73% of the privately owned land. Does that not bother you? In a country that was once ruled by apartheid? In a country that was not theirs to begin with? That white S.A. make almost 4x the amount of money on average? And you expect me to think that black peoples are still not oppressed?
thank you for completely ignoring the fact that this is a class issue. 7.3 million people donât own 73% of the land. itâs more like less than 500,000. which is CLEARLY a class issue. i donât know why you are treating us white south africans like a monolith. we arenât a collective hive mind dude đ weâre human beings
Yes, by Lauren Southern, noted anti-immigrant and xenophobe, as well as someone who has been described as far-right/alt-right and has also pushed the white genocide/Great Replacement conspiracy theory, suggesting non-white people will take over and replace white people as a majority.
4.5 not 7.3 my mistake. but that brings my total of 500,000 down to about 200,000 people that own land. making it even more of a class issue. apartheid has been over for 35 years. africans have had 35 years to close the gap in ways that donât involve targeted seizing of property by the government. when you are more focused on and revenge and not rebuilding you are going to stay poor. look at what happens to zimbabwe after they took all the land from whites
shhh stay quiet white person. let other cultures have the spotlight and give up your privilegeđ đ» this country is ridiculous in how much they minimize white people for âfairnessâ. INJUSTICE IS INJUSTICE. People can face hardship no matter their background and bad things can happen to all races!
when did i ever blame the black africans? i didnât say they should have fixed it all in 35 years. but they havenât. because the wealth gap still exists. if they really career they would target the rich instead of inciting racial violence between blacks and whites. in those 35 years they have only focused on revenge. if they targeted the rich instead of the common white south african we wouldnât even be having this discussion because news flash, the average white south african hates the rich too!
correct when one white person dies itâs not a genocide. but when one white person is brutally killed after the other after the other after the other (like in brutal ways, i told you about the man who last witnessed his family being raped and murdered before being blinded,) red flags are going to rise. you cannot be this dense
Literally every issue you bring up always comes back to the white colonizers that took over the land. Iâm bored of this back and forth with you. You canât acknowledge that white South Africans are the problem and their little lie that theyâre facing a genocide is so unbelievable that even an AI system created by a billionaire white South African denies it. âïž
okay let me connect the dots. Lauren Southern doesnât like migrants. She is a racist and doesnât like non-white migrants or Muslims. She promotes a racist conspiracy theory charging them with âreplacing whites and becoming the majorityâ to promote anti-immigration ideas and racism to âpreserve the white majority.â She worked with and allied herself with groups and âpeopleâ that worked against migration efforts. She is the last person I would trust on anything relating to race.
âthis biased search engine that spat out an answer via AI that required me to do no actual research told me this event with at the very least circumstantial evidence is not happeningâ and weâve already established there isnât a genocide. there are warning signs consistent with a FUTURE genocide (the EFF being in government and having âkill the boerâ as basically their slogan) you are intentionally arguing in bad faith
But they arenât being sent to their country. Trump has ignored due process and directly ignored orders from the Supreme Court to bring an American citizen back from El Salvador. I donât think people should come here illegally. But they also donât deserve to be shoved in cages (look at pictures of ICE detention centres) and shipped off to a prison that we KNOW donât have space for them and is known to have people âdisappearâ. Also, WHERE ARE THE WOMEN GOING!? Nobody knows. Itâs terrifying.
While youâre enjoying the purple Kool-Aid, being undocumented is not a criminal offense in the United States, but a civil offense. They are not just selectively deporting actual criminals, but anyone who is found guilty of a civil offense and even revoking citizenships of documented immigrants who hold beliefs this administration abhors. Theyâre also not even sending people to their own countries but literally sending them to a prison in El Salvador. Come on nowâŠ
The punishment doesnât fit the crime. You overstayed your visa and now for are sent to a high security prison in a strange country for an unknown amount of time? With no due process and with no one notifying your family? Thatâs not acceptable. And to add icing to the cake, Trump is going after immigrants who are here legally as well
No the constitution applies to Americans âundocumented peopleâ are known better as illegal aliens, foreigners who broke into our country. The due process is checking to see if they are here illegally (which is so easy to prove wrong if you are a citizen, you can prove you are here legally/born here in like 5 seconds), once thatâs done ur gone pal.
the fact of the matter, âchileâ, is that much of that much of the land in south africa was either underdeveloped or not developed at all when the boers arrived in the 1600s. the boers developed the land and converted it into cultivatable farmland on their own, with no assistance from the british or black south africans. we didnât steal farmland, we turned empty land into something useful on our own. and iâm guessing youâre black based off the AAVE, no? if you donât like it here, you can leave
This is literally how legal precedents are set⊠are you fucking stupid? We have desegregation and other advancements in civil rights because of the 1954 court case of Brown vs Board of Education, which ruled that the prior Plessy v Ferguson âseparate but equalâ was actually not equal and violated the 14th amendment. Did you actually pay attention in your government/civics class on how legal precedents work?
âBut mom, they did it too!â Yes, and it is still condemnable; the difference is that neither are currently in power and have no influence over this administrationâs immigration policy. I also never praised or gave any support for either of these presidents in their immigration stances/policy â youâre strawmanning here. It was not okay then, and they deserve the same criticism, but it should not detract from criticism of how this current administration is handling immigration and deportation.
youâre mad i pulled up a legal precedent???? i didnât HAVE to pull the case from then, thatâs just when we established that illegal immigrants have some of the same constitutional rights once theyâre in the country. thatâs been a legal precedent for 122 years. also as #8 said, clinton and obama arenât in office currently & most of us werenât on yikyak during the obama administration let alone during the clinton administration ?????