Anonymous #2 5w

So because a prediction some scientists made was wrong that negates all the other evidence of climate change’s worsening impact?

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Anonymous OP 5w

My point is simply that y’all have been screeching about it for years and years and all that it’s done is allow politicians to tack extra taxes on us.

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Anonymous #2 5w

8 of 10 predictions that the central UN climate change body made 10 years ago have come true.

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Anonymous #5 5w

This is a pretty drastic misrepresentation of the data. You can do a really simple experiment at home that demonstrates how heat is trapped when large amounts of carbon are released into the atmosphere. The sheer speed and acceleration in average temperatures across the planet has never occurred in Earth’s history.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Also the effects of climate change are adding far more taxes on you than any “climate tax” has due to worsening natural disasters and the need to spend more money on disaster relief and infrastructure improvements

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Anonymous OP 5w

Which predictions? Also do you have a solution or are you just angry at the world? Currently DEF equipped diesel trucks have a far lower carbon footprint than even a Toyota Prius for multiple different reasons. I’m all for nuclear energy but we would have to actually educate people on how it’s not the same as Chernobyl.

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Anonymous #2 5w

If you want to delve deeper in to all the data points that show what’s happening we 100% can. Conservatives always assuming non conservatives are angry at the world is incredibly lame. If I had a solution that could cure global warming tomorrow I’d be a billionaire. Also where did you get that fact that aToyota Prius has a higher carbon footprint than DEF equipped diesel trucks because that comically incorrect

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Anonymous OP 5w

I did a research paper on it for my mechanical engineering degree. Diesel exhaust fluids convert +-98% of pollutants into water through a reaction with urea in the DPF. Diesels can also easily last over 500k miles before engine and/or truck replacement. Prius batteries last 120k miles which would require roughly four cobalt batteries to achieve the same mileage and that’s if you don’t replace the car entirely. It’s funny how you immediately dismiss something you know literally nothing about.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Also I’m not a conservative lol

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Anonymous #2 5w

I as about to come and say the same or well similar, but I have a diesel Range Rover and that thing will get 32-35 miles to the gallon, and it have 300k miles on she fucks majorly and gets amazing gas mileage. I spend so much less time filling up my tank with a diesel than I have with a gas car/truck.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Coal power plants is where a majority of air pollutants come from, which is like to point out is significantly lower in most western countries than many others. China has one of the worst yearly pollution rates.

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Anonymous OP 5w

That’s why I brought up nuclear energy. It’s got a very small amount of byproduct and would allow us to not create huge mines for various fuels and minerals

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Anonymous #4 5w

Thank you. I feel like so many people just focus on marketing for gas mileage and not every factor that goes into a carbon footprint which is funny considering how often they throw that term around. People who care about climate change seem to really not understand it at all.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Carbon is the smoke n gun for climate change precisely because it’s EVERYWHERE IN ABUNDANCE. Al Gore is laughing his ass off at us debating his baseless claims that made him billions

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

Ya he’s laughing while counting his money fr

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Anonymous #5 5w

https://xkcd.com/1732/ This chart shows how the current “spike” compares to past temperature trends in a very visually friendly manner

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Anonymous #6 5w

okay so you’re a denier🚶🏼‍♀️

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It’s not an “existential crisis”.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Humans cause it.

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Anonymous #5 5w

It’s not thrown way out of proportion. And no, temperatures have not “wildly varied” in a short period of time in the entirety of human history as much as now. I put “wildly varied” because in reality, it’s not a wild variation, it’s a rapid, steady increase in temperature.

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Anonymous #2 5w

While alarmists have falsely described climate change as an “existential crisis”, it does not mean that we should ignore or downplay the negative economic impacts it can pose.

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Anonymous #15 5w

What does that even mean? Alarmists and climate extremists are exactly to blame for us even talking about this today. Not to mention the billions/trillions in profits for certain climate related organizations/businesses. You can’t even say “Downplaying” because this is an outright lie on the largest possible scale. Or at the very least a purposeful misrepresentation of science benefiting the mega-rich and taxing the poor.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Damn bro, a diesel enthusiast and not conservative? Ngl your logical reasoning in that last post makes me think that you’re also not a democrat?

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

Absolutely not. I’m social libertarian/centrist and fiscally hard right/conservative. Far more libertarian than anything else. I don’t like the weird religious things conservatives do and I think democrats generally live in lala land.

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Anonymous #2 5w

That’s a lot of distinction. What exactly is a social libertarian? Just curious

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

I think people should be free to do what they choose with their own bodies and property as they see fit so long as it either doesn’t involve others or get consent. Owning guns, collecting rain water, sexuality, things of that sort that people should be free to choose on their own.

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I tend to think people aren’t actively shirking but rather they don’t hold this as high of a priority as other issues. We could all be carbon neutral for the rest of our lives and it won’t affect China’s carbon emissions. I tend to agree that the people to convince aren’t US citizens but Chinese authorities.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Dismiss something I know nothing about? Lmao. You explaining what you said in your research paper doesn’t make it any less wrong. I wrote a few papers on this too I can share that demolish your talking points.

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Anonymous #2 5w

I couldn’t care less if you’re a conservative or not. You sounded like one because you sound arrogant despite being way less knowledgeable on a topic than you actually are.

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Anonymous #2 5w

The claim about Prius batteries only lasting 120k miles is super outdated. Modern Prius batteries routinely exceed 200,000 miles, with a lot of original 2000s models still on their first pack. The “four battery replacements” math doesn’t hold up against real-world data.

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Anonymous #2 5w

The DEF system argument also misses the point entirely. Yeah, diesel exhaust fluid converts NOx pollutants effectively, but that only addresses tailpipe emissions, not total lifecycle carbon footprint. Diesel trucks still emit 400-600g CO2/mile compared to a Prius’s like ~200g CO2/mile when you account for manufacturing, operation, and end-of-life.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Diesels do win on durability and longevity. I’ll give you that. But confusing longevity with environmental impact is exactly how this talking point misleads people. The research is clear on which technology has the lower carbon footprint.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

Dark blue I don’t even know how to respond to this comment because this is just baseless ideological complaining. Al Gore can back up what he says with plenty of data. People that contradict him can’t.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Baseless? There are plenty of scientists and public officials smarter than both of us that believe Gore sensationalized the climate change phenomenon solely for profit, which can be tracked. I am no scientist, but that absolutely tracks. What convinces you that this issue is as important as it is in the public forum?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Also, this is the same dude who claimed to invent the internet. Sooooo….

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

U know the US produces more emissions per capita than china right?

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Anonymous #17 5w

That’s a very skewed stat. China has 4.6x the population that the US does and they produce 12 billion tons of CO2 yearly compared to the US’ 5 billion.

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Anonymous #17 5w

I don’t think the planet cares about per capita so much as absolute amounts.

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Anonymous #7 5w

Sure, but we’re talking about which country is to blame. Even ignoring the fact that the US indistrialised much earlier than china (so historically have produced more CO2) and the fact that much of china’s CO2 comes from manufacturing (which people in the US benefit from), the average US citizen is still far more responsible for carbon emissions than the average Chinese person.

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Anonymous dark_blue_americas60 5w

He’s no more guilty than anyone else of believing the more extreme models in his speeches as opposed to the more conservative projections that have been run. It’s a choice and doesn’t make what he says, or his impact, any less pertinent. He’s also been spot on in his predictions of extreme weather, agricultural impacts and rising sea levels. Him claiming to have invented the internet is completely irrelevant

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Anonymous #7 5w

how about we blame all countries that aren’t trying to do a damn thing about it instead of cherry picking

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Anonymous OP 5w

If you think that Gore wasn’t fully aware of his political power and public influence, then you can’t fully understand how American politics works. It’s the equivalent to a pharmaceutical company spending millions of dollars lobbying government officials to look the other way while they fuel the opium epidemic. This and countless other examples of power and greed at work. Look into these phenomena with an open mind, and perhaps you’ll see why Gore and others have this view.

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Anonymous #18 5w

The response is to someone blaming china more than the US tho. Obviously all countries will have to move towards net zero.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Idk which one of you geniuses is right, but you both are interested in the common good of humanity so what’s with the bickering over small details? You both could be correct but talking about slightly different criteria.

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