Are you identifying that baking a cake or voting for someone does not mean you endorse their beliefs or are you saying that baking a cake is more important than voting for the future of the nation and that makes the equivalence between the two actions false?

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Oh so baking a cake as an action HAS to endorse everything the occasion the cake is for stands for, but voting for a PROVEN NOT POTENTIAL child predator in a national election does NOT have to endorse everything that person stands for? Did I get that right? What fundamental difference between those two actions warrants baking a cake having a stronger moral weight than a vote in an election that will affect millions? Btw irregardless is not a word, stop trying to sound so smart.

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Also if the action will occur regardless of the vote or the agreement to bake the cake, then why are we allowing a person to PREY ON CHILDREN?? Gays will just go to another bakery, and that monster will just find a different way to feed his sick desires. Standing on your religious beliefs to this degree requires such hairsplitting that it’s frankly concerning that you’re willing to defend this man to this degree on a topic as universally immoral and hated as child sexual assault

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Anonymous #3 6w

Argument should’ve ended the moment dude unironically said “irregardless”

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that’s disgusting

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Anonymous #3 6w

For one the entire framing is rubbish, and you still holding onto it is unsurprising

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Anonymous #3 6w

idk pretty standard. Also didn’t defend anything to do with POTUS?

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Anonymous #2 6w

religious that is

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Anonymous #2 6w

Framing? Be clearer and more specific about what point you’re trying to make

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Anonymous #3 6w

The entire reason it was controversial was because in context, a couple which did not fit the criteria of a Christian marriage was requesting the contribution of a cake for that marriage from a Christian. “baking a cake” is such a reductive take

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You do understand that having priest is not a requirement for a wedding right? Or are you genuinely that stupid?

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Anonymous #4 6w

A lot of Christian denominations don't even require you to be married by someone who was ordained, unless you have your wedding in their church. Only Catholics require it by canon law.

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Anonymous #4 6w

I mean to render the bond in holy matrimony lol my b

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Anonymous #4 6w

I mean you can be specific and talk about pastors or church leaders that give the matrimony but generally the purpose is still the same in regards to what is done for marriage

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Anonymous #2 6w

So how does this support your point that the two actions carry different moral weight in supporting an ideology?

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Anonymous #3 6w

Not really the argument I’m making. The cake is with the sole purpose of directly completing the wedding, after which there is marriage and some expectations of the relationship (parenthood, loving) but an unknown future. The vote is with the sole purpose of completing the election of a candidate, after which there is inauguration and some expectations of the presidency (oath, perhaps certain legislations) but an unknown future. The difference is, the marriage is integral to the wedding,

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Anonymous #2 6w

and performed wrongly is ill-advised. The sexual assault, which assuming is true, has nothing to do with the actual election process of casting the vote. What might be equivalent is participating in some sort of election fraud which is ill-advised.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Even then just comparing the two is very stretched because the vote in itself doesn’t actually mean you conform with everything of the candidate. It’s an act of trust and faith that your expectations are met and that your candidate will do the right thing, which is simply the personal and in-effect dynamic of the vote, whereas the cake is very simply a completion in the physical and interpersonal sense.

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Anonymous #2 6w

now you can certainly have a range of blame for the vote in terms of legislative and policy actions, although your vote is really only allowing the guest in the house, not giving them exact instructions on what to do when inside. Regardless of that, the vote isn’t intrinsically a part of the personality unless that is some element to why you did vote.

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Anonymous #9 6w

“Mike Wazowsky”

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Yep

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Wild take but you do you ig

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Bud typed that out, read it over again, and still decided to hit “send”

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I know people say separate the art from the person, but the art(bad at Presidenting) AND the person(pedo grapist) are awful so like what..? How is that NOT a dealbreaker on either side??

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Nah yours just let in thousands more pedos. What is worse huh, having a president that allegedly did that or one that let thousands more kids go through that. I wonder what you will choose since you so clearly care more about the issue itself than your petty hatred for trump

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Anonymous #11 6w

Proof??? Can you provide statistics or data to suggest “thousands more pedos” were let in during the Biden administration?

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Anonymous #11 6w

Undocumented people statistically commit less violent crime than documented people.

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Anonymous #20 6w

Refusal to provide services to someone based on race, gender, sexuality, disability, etc, is just fucked up. If you were a baker who hated women and refused to bake anything for them, you’d get a lot of hate. But just because it’s a woman who loves another woman (or 2 men) that makes discrimination ok? As a baker baking cakes is your job, it isn’t part of your religion.

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Anonymous #19 6w

Yes because of the number pin comparison. But illegals shouldn’t be in here in the first place, that’s an unnecessary addition of people shouldn’t be k ntje country. Doesn’t matter if it’s only 1 crime a year it’s 1 too much that shouldn’t happen cause they are there illegally. Do American lives deserve to be sacrificed cause it’s a lower number?

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Anonymous #18 6w

Ice IDENTIFIED(not including the non identified ones) 16,000 predators that were illegal in the country, while under trump no illegals are even coming in. The open border allowed them in. And for trafficking it rose significantly under Biden with 1656 charged(not including uncharged) with that number dropping 26% under trump. Under Biden 450000 unaccompanied minors entered, under trump not only did that number drop he was able to find 132000 rescued

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Anonymous #22 6w

People don’t praise and addore bill clinton the way you people do for trump

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Anonymous #19 6w

Was this an argument? Because there’s less undocumented people than documented people. 😭

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If we’re forgetting the past, there no reason to bring up past racism in every argument…

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Anonymous #11 6w

Citizens are the biggest threat to citizens. Borders are imaginary and you’ve been mislead into believing the wrong part of the population is your enemy when you need to turn your attention to the government, the real cause of our issues and violence.

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Anonymous #22 6w

Most everyone on this app was unable to vote for Obama and Biden— many more of us were able to vote for tRump’s second round of domestic terrorism. Racism never disappeared. We still have slavery occur. People like you still *actively* contribute to racism and violence against BIPOC people. So, yeah, it’s pretty fucking relevant.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Yes no shit that’s why we have prison for citizens. Illegals aren’t citizens and they shouldn’t be in our country. Why does a single American life deserve to be lost, a single child women father mother because you feel bad for illegals. There shouldn’t even be a stat on crimes committed by illegals cause it should be zero

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No he’s not😭. He is taking illegals out of the country. He is finding illegals and taking them out. These people aren’t stupid they willingly broke into our country knowing it was illegal and they did it anyways. Why should Americans suffer because of that. Ice is doing nothing more than getting them out. If sanctuary cities didn’t hide illegals then you wouldn’t see what’s happening in states like Minnesota. Look at Florida for example. This shouldn’t even be a debate

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Anonymous #11 6w

Cishet, christian, white men are the leading demographic for violent crimes, sweetheart. They’re also the paedophiles in charge pushing us all further into poverty, the biggest driver of crime, and robbing you every chance they get. People aren’t illegal. You’re focusing on the wrong ones, too.

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Anonymous #1 6w

There’s no slavery in America, that’s because Lincoln pushed for it. Then the presidents after him kept the 13th amendment in place. Bringing up slavery in other countries to prove an argument about the president, was exactly what I was talking about. You’re proving my point.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Notice how she said “violent crimes”. Because if she had said “murder” she’d be wrong

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Anonymous #22 6w

No, slavery in the US still absolutely happens, but nice deflection. You wouldn’t feel called out in discussions of racism and slavery if you didn’t actively contribute to the very systems of hate that keep them thriving today. Hit dogs holler and, boy, are you yippin’ and yappin’ right now. Says a lot more about you than anything or anyone else.

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Anonymous #22 6w

Before yall sit and argue with me, the table is from 2019, on fbis website, and here is the full list

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Anonymous #1 6w

Are you suggesting the illegal slavery, and sex trade that’s very illegal and I can’t do anything about? Like go join a police force and do something about it if you think that has anything to do with this argument…

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Anonymous #11 6w

It’s not a debate. They’re terrorists who are kidnapping, raping, and murdering innocent people. And you support that because you’re just as depraved.

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Anonymous #22 6w

No slavery at all? You really should read about the one exception to that…

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Anonymous #22 6w

Ah, yes, join the institution that continues to support the system of kidnapping, rape, trafficking, exploitation, and slavery. You must be a genius! 🤯

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Anonymous #22 6w

You need serious mental help.

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Anonymous #8 6w

There’s no legal* slavery sybau yk what I meant

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Anonymous #22 6w

No *legal* slavery at all? My brother in Christ, you should google “exception to the 13th amendment” broski……

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Anonymous #8 6w

So… you’re defending criminals? Isn’t it your entire argument that we’re defending trump?… you just proved everyone’s point lmao

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Anonymous #22 6w

Bro doesn’t know the difference between defending a flawed system and calling it out for others to learn about.

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Anonymous #8 6w

Bro got humiliated in an argument and doesn’t know how to come back from it

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Anonymous #22 6w

I bet your boyfriend is proud of you. Also you’re the tool who thought slavery totally ended when people in government actually made an exception for prison work because your ancestors couldn’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps and pick their own cotton.

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Anonymous #8 6w

Are you using a gay joke as an insult? That’s offensive to gay people (probably) check yourself. The people owning slaves weren’t the ones who started it. It was just the “norm” back then. Also my ancestors are from Italy. We didn’t care what color you were, if you weren’t rich you were a slave.

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

So what I’m gathering is that you defend paedophiles because you probably are one. Fuck your religion, too.

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

Ain’t even have to do with religious freedom. Just freedom in general people can choose based on their own opinions to make a cake or not. It isn’t that deep you don’t have to ruin someone’s entire life and business cause he didn’t give into this new forced woke ideologies. We keep on talking about freedom but if someone doesn’t agree with something they want they will literally ruin your life

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Anonymous #11 6w

Honestly yeah. I completely agree with this.

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Anonymous #11 6w

So 1. ICE is well documented to be lying. 2. There’s never been “open borders” and 3. To insist 0 predators have gotten in under Trump is just statistically impossible

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Anonymous #11 6w

They’re literally trying brown people into concentration camps with no evidence. They’re an armed gang that you only support because they push your racist ideals

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Anonymous #11 6w

“American lives being sacrificed” and it’s literally just living around immigrants. Immigrants aren’t dangerous

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Anonymous #13 6w

Clearly most people don’t agree with it

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Anonymous #20 6w

At least the Catholics are a bit more progressive (ironically given historical context). The evangelicals have just decided to say bigoted shit and go “Jesus totally said that in the Bible”. They’re more of a torture cult than anything else

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Anonymous #22 6w

Oh no I have throw out my Bill Clinton signed Bible, my Bill Clinton hat, my Bill Clinton flag and my Bill Clinton shoes. Oh wait I don’t have any of those because I’m not worshipping a shit candidate that left office before I was born

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

He was literally found guilty of rape

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Anonymous #25 6w

What a comment 😭 go do your research I’m not searching things up anymore by open border we mean the millions of illegals that got into the country under Biden. Millions. And yes when you look at trump who has seen zero illegal entries in 90 days, and even if it’s not 0 it’s dramatically lower than Biden. You keep on avoiding this by saying “ice is lying”, but you really can’t just denounce this fact. Are you really so petty against trump that you would rather avoid these facts

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Anonymous #11 6w

“Woke forced ideologies” and it’s literally just asking someone to do their damn job. What if I didn’t fix someone’s AC because they’re a Trump supporter? Would you defend that?

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Anonymous #11 6w

You’re the one avoiding facts to continue to cheer on this garbage administration.

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Anonymous #25 6w

Like I don’t get what’s so hard. Take away all political bias. The facts are that under Biden, millions of illegals entered and human trafficking and illegal predator numbers skyrocketed. I have you the data. With trump it lowered significantly. But you keep saying Epstein, you do t even care about the issue you just care if it was trump. I doubt you care that waltz pardoned an illegal predator who raped a young girl for over 2 years. This is gonna get downvoted as well, trying to downvote truth

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Anonymous #25 6w

So were many innocent men during the MeToo movement.

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Anonymous #11 6w

“The truth” he says as he sucks Trump’s dick. I never even brought up Epstein btw. Take away all the political bias, and Trump is significantly worse than Biden in every metric

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

No they weren’t. You don’t get found guilty of rape if you didn’t do it

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Anonymous #25 6w

That literally legal and allowed because it isn’t discriminatory. But it’s just stupid to eliminate over 50% of your business opportunities so no viable business does this.

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Anonymous #25 6w

I’m talking about all of you. And sucking trumps dick, I’m not even maga I’m a realist. You go straight to insults whenever you’re wrong, grow up a bit be mature. “Trump is worse than Biden in every metric” I just gave you every data point on these predator. You’re disgusting, you beleive the metric of thousand more kids being raped and trafficked under Biden is better than trumps that lowered it. Disgusting people, you guys applaud children getting harmed, Americans dying

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Anonymous #25 6w

I gave you the facts buddy. Official stats, you are the one who is completely in denial about them or you believe them but don’t care which is way worse.

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Anonymous #25 6w

First of all you can’t talk. You just said above that you believe that human trafficking and illegals raping children were good under Biden. You’re disgusting you shouldn’t be arguing politics.

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Anonymous #25 6w

Second of all. We all have our own beliefs, everyone can deny customers. I don’t care if someone denied me it’s their business. I don’t ah e to like it but I sure as shit wouldn’t go on social media and ruin their life unless they committed a crime against me. If they deny business okay go to another shop, don’t ruin their life. It’s selfish, you only think of yourself and pettiness but that’s someone and someone’s families entire life that you ruined

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Anonymous #25 6w

Sexual assault is literally the second most common crime that causes wrongful convictions. Do some research before taping with your fingers.

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Anonymous #11 6w

Someone angy

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Anonymous #26 6w

Sure buddy 😭

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Anonymous #11 6w

By percentage, not by number. The statistic is adjusted for the difference in people. As for the addition of the population, if us born citizens have a higher crime rate by YOUR logic we should drop birth rate and stop deporting…

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Anonymous #22 6w

It’s a percentage so it’s adjusted for amt of people

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Anonymous #22 6w

Am I blind or does this not say anything about immigration status at all but just race? That has nothing to do with my argument I’ll talking about undocumented ppl

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

Genuine question not even trying to get involved in this debate but did you watch the full court proceedings?

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

Like not the highlights but the whole thing

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Anonymous #27 6w

Oh you innocent one. Honestly I wish this was unbelievable. But sadly no. This actually happened. Some woke people wanted to force a Christian to make a gay cake, and threatened legal action when he refused.

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

Sounds right, the woke mob always tries to force their beliefs onto republicans instead of respecting their differences

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Anonymous #19 6w

Nope. Just read a summary.

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

what the fuck does “force to make a gay cake” even mean? someone tried to buy a wedding cake, the same as anyone else. Did the cake say “boo christians suck and god doesn’t exist” or something? how is it that huge of a deal to do his same job as usual, with a gay couple as customers?

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Anonymous #28 6w

Someone doesn’t support gay marriage and didn’t want to make a cake for it. Who are you to question someone’s decisions. How is it that huge of a deal who a business chooses as its clients, it’s not this big of a deal for a couple to make all of this issue for the business over this

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Anonymous #11 6w

Whether or not that’s legally discrimination, it’s entirely within their right to post about their experience with the baker if they choose? What happened to free speech?? “don’t make a big deal about it” is dumb. If you have a bad experience with a business, you leave a bad review, and other people see it and don’t use that business. That’s literally model capitalism.

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Anonymous #20 6w

You are allowed to not bake cakes for people. You’re the one losing money. Why did so many people care?

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Anonymous #29 6w

Because homophobia is disgusting.

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Anonymous #28 6w

No one had an issue or prevented them from leaving a review. No one tried to silence the gay couple. The issue is that the gay couple tried to sue and financially ruin the Christian cake maker.

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Anonymous #28 6w

Exactly. They victimize themselves cause they want to force everyone to accept them. Thats the way for everything. They talk about free speech but we can’t have our own? Suing people because they refused to make a cake isn’t free speech that’s trying to manipulate the law against that bakeries free speech

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Anonymous #29 6w

You’d actually be making more money if you provided service for everyone. There are more lgbt and allies of lgbt than homophobic people who are so full of hate that they won’t buy a cake from a bakery that serves gay people too. If you serve more demographics, you most likely will make more money than if you only served one

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Anonymous #20 6w

Hey look. I know some homophobic people and they dgaf. Cake is cake. They know how to separate the art from the artist.

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Anonymous #25 6w

Clearly they do

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Anonymous last_republican_on_yikyak 6w

Exactly! They don’t care about previous customers, they just want to know if it’s good cake

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Anonymous #1 6w

Most of them are pedoohiles anyway, so they aren’t sacrificing anything when they do that. They think the libs are ruining the fun😬

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