Anonymous #1 1w

That logic only holds if it’s about survival. For most people it’s not. It’s just a choice.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean, we already eat meat that is farmed so idk what the issue would be to get meat via hunting. Hunting is also good for population control

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Anonymous #2 1w

PETA sucks

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Anonymous #1 1w

You’re mixing points. Eating meat ≠ any method is justified, and population control isn’t a free for all. It’s tightly regulated for a reason

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yea it is regulated but that’s the point. It’s regulated via hunting. What makes hunting not justified? Some animals can only be gotten via hunting. You don’t have to like it but to say it is a bitch sport just sounds naive

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The population is regulated through recreational hunting though?

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Anonymous #3 1w

Humans also take up so much space that even if we arent actively killing natural predators, they dont have the numbers needed to keep prey populations in check in some areas. Lack of population control means things like human/deer accidents/deaths and worsening disease in prey populations (and potential overgrazing, which can cause mass starvation). Look up CWD (chronic wasting disease), its horrific when diseases are allowed to spread across dense, large populations.

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that’s why hunting seasons exist though. part of the reasoning for hunting IS population control.

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So you eat meat, and youre still… anti meat? I dont even like veganism but this is a very weird stance. Humans eat meat, and were either gonna get it from farmed animals or hunted animals. Theres no such thing as a free lunch, lol, it comes with being a heterotroph. If we could eat rocks, itd be great, but unfortunately we have to eat living organisms to survive. And even eating fruits and veggies means taking land away from animals. Its always gonna be a give and take

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We have hunting laws for a reason. Poaching an animal is stupid, but hunting laws are in place for that reason. The laws are (when done responsibly) for specific reasons and within specified limits. You need permits and tags to hunt, and may only take so many animals. Im not sure what you think hunting is

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Girl its called an explanation, im sorry reading is such a chore for you. This is starting to feel like trolling because your goalpost and point has changed like five times

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If you hate how meat is harvested and dislike those who harvest it, stop eating meat. You cant hate the hands that feed you, lol

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you need more than paragraphs, you need a book.. or a few

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your point is meaningless

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it won’t be if you keep thinking the way you are lol

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i already have ☺️ not like you’re paying attention to or reading #3’s points so why should i try?

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Anonymous #4 1w

I fear we are arguing with a koala

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Anonymous #3 1w

definitely something like that lol

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no i still think it’s you! but wow it looks like you can be observational! i did make a point about hunting seasons existing to prevent over hunting/population control! maybe if you’d analyze a little further you could connect the dots that the statement i made about that is in fact a point!!

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Because you rambled incoherently after making a random inflammatory statement

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Also damn 8 hours later and you came back with “and another thing” lol

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Whatever makes you feel better little buddy

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Anonymous #7 1w

A)what’s league and legends. B) what year is it?

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It's "not necessary" because of unethical factory farming bud.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Genuinely what does what year it is have anything to do with it? Are you implying that buying meat at the store where the animals have been cruelty treated make me less of a bitch?

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Anonymous #7 1w

It’s the fact it’s 2026 and your idea of peak masculinity is going out in the woods and shooting an animal that can hardly fight back. Actually insane. Not even a peta vegan but that’s dumb as hell.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Not once have I ever talked about factory farms in this comment section or remotely supported them. Follow the thread.

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Anonymous OP 1w

So since it’s the big 2026 (and somehow that matters) please tell me what else I should be doing that is so much better than hunting and providing. Should I spend my time painting my nails? Maybe playing tennis? How about scrolling endlessly on TikTok? Please enlighten me.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Calling it ‘providing’ doesn’t magically make it meaningful. You can dress anything up with better wording

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Anonymous OP 1w

Please, just answer what you think I should be doing instead. Especially in the food department. Because with the argument you’re presenting right now, I’ll need to develop photosynthesis before dinner.

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Anonymous #7 1w

You’ve asked for ‘alternatives’ twice now instead of responding to the point. That’s not an argument.

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Anonymous OP 1w

“It’s X year so we can’t do XYZ” isn’t an argument either. So tell me, what should I do instead? Or should I just assume that your position has no root in logic and you just blindly hate something that’s as old as humanity and is still a viable way to provide for your family?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Because you can’t manage to articulate an alternative.

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Anonymous #7 1w

You’ve switched from ‘masculine’ to ‘it’s old’ to ‘it provides.’ None of those actually defend your original point

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Anonymous #7 1w

If your idea of ‘peak masculinity’ depends on shooting something that can’t fight back, that’s exactly why people question it

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Anonymous OP 1w

Please tell us though what should one do to get meat if they aren't hunting for it. What are you saying is the “right” thing to do?

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Anonymous #7 1w

Feels like you’re stacking different arguments because none of them hold on their own

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Anonymous OP 1w

Feels like you just cant answer how I should obtain meat.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Hunting has been a tradition passed on by men for thousands and thousands of years to provide for their family. It takes knowledge, skill, and patience. And if you couldn’t or wouldn’t do it (you), you would starve. I’m absolutely not backing down off the stance that it is one of the most masculine activities.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’d attack your argument if you ever provided one. You still have yet to provide a better solution. It seems like you’re implying we shouldn’t hunt bc we have technology but then you also don’t like farm bred animals. Should we not read because we have computers now…? Genuinely what is your position other than a limp attempt to bash something you don’t understand?

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Anonymous #7 1w

You keep explaining why hunting exists and how to get meat. You still haven’t explained why it’s ‘peak masculinity.’ That’s the only point I’m interested in here.

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Anonymous OP 1w

FORGET HIM TELL ME WHERE I SHOULD GET MY MEATTTT

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Anonymous OP 1w

I'm willing to hear you out too but I gotta know what your POV is on the subject because unless you give me a more ethical way to provide meat how am I supposed to change my mind.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Hold tight. Let him respond

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Anonymous #5 1w

Forget it. If you’re asking ethically: smaller-scale, pasture-raised/regenerative farms or local sourcing with higher animal welfare standards. That’s a separate conversation though

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Anonymous #5 1w

That’s really the only place you should get your meat

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Anonymous OP 1w

Why do you think killing an animal raised in a farm is more ethical than an animal in the wild? Genuinely asking.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’ve explained it multiple times now. Either you don’t want it to be true so you can’t acknowledge it or you just genuinely can’t read.

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Anonymous #7 1w

You absolutely haven’t explained it. Thats the problem. All you’ve done is talk about how it’s a tradition, done for thousands of years and all this other nonsense. Absolutely nothing about how that makes it “peak masculinity”

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Anonymous #7 1w

If it’s any consolation, you might have a side career writing liberal fan fiction because you seem to know more about it than most liberals

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Anonymous OP 1w

You might actually be the dumbest bimbo I’ve ever had the displeasure of talking to online.

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Anonymous #7 1w

What is masculinity to you and why is hunting the peak of it. It’s not that hard chief. Absolutely not interested in convincing you one way or the other about this topic. You’re part of a dying breed anyway.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m not going to keep repeating myself. If you decide you can read at some point you can go back and look at what I’ve already said. As far as being a dying breed, that’s laughable. Gen Z is shaping up to be significantly more conservative than their parents. Every day more people are learning hunting and homesteading and rejecting the androgynous dystopian hellscape future people like you have to offer. And I’m helping that every chance I get by teaching everyone I can how to shoot and hunt.

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Anonymous OP 1w

So when you’re old and alone and unable to pay the stupid prices for processed grocery slop, my freezers will be filled with meat for myself and my family to eat. And when that time comes, we will see who’s the little bitch.

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Anonymous #7 1w

This might be the most disappointing response you could have possibly given. Not sure why I expected more. My mistake.

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Anonymous #7 1w

tbh this idea of ascribing “masculinity” to hunting is weird asf engaging in hunting as a means to secure food is far more sustainable in comparison to the existing meat industry, but “masculine”? let’s not continue this inherited patriarchal culture, yk?

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Anonymous #10 1w

also OP, you do know that hunting is inherently more sustainable than how we currently source food, right? From an environmental standpoint that is. the meat industry, is unironically, one of the primary reasons as to why our global agricultural yield is not capable of feeding every person on the planet. theoretically we do grow enough food per year to eliminate food insecurity, but over half of the crops grown are used to solely maintain the meat industry via the creation of animal feed.

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Anonymous #10 1w

(Also, considering the occurrence of people using this topic to devolve into “liberal vs conservative” for some odd reason; my take is coming from a leftist perspective for anyone who’s curious)

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Anonymous #10 1w

I’m aware. I’m an open advocate for overhauling the meat industry to make it more sustainable, regenerative, and environmentally friendly. Obviously, the whole world would be better if we ate less meat, but I know when to pick my battles. I enjoy food.

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Anonymous OP 1w

in my opinion, I’d argue that overhauling the meat industry in a sustainable fashion would be the complete transition of animals-being-farmed to animals-being-hunted in a controlled manner naturally that needs to be accompanied with a major reduction in the amount of meat we eat, while also expanding on our hunting laws and proactively targeting poachers and the like.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Don’t agree with this viewpoint based on their data and projections I’ve propagated but I respect it as a far better alternative than what’s currently present.

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Anonymous OP 1w

The not their*

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Anonymous OP 1w

do you mind if I ask what data you’re referencing? I’d love to take a look at it! I do appreciate you saying that though, the biggest issues I have with our current standards for meat procurement is primarily based on its impact to agricultural yields, and the inherent disregard for the lives of the animals in question yk? that relates back to the wider topic of anthropocentrism though, and this arbitrary hierarchy we’ve built while placing ourselves at the topic of it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’d rather people eat meat from animals that were raised in inhumane conditions for the sole purpose of being killed for food?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Because if you’re opposed to hunting for food but fine with factory farming you have very contradictory morals

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Anonymous #10 1w

It’s not weird. Men have been hunters and providers and women have been gatherers and homemakers for thousands of years. Each sex complimented the other and made for an efficient family unit. Hunting has always been a masculine activity and it will continue to be one. The patriarchy has been around for so long because it worked. And honestly, with how fast society has declined with its attempted uprooting we really need it back in full force with strong male family influence and leadership.

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Anonymous #7 1w

it is indeed weird as fuck. it’s perpetuating the historical and inherited patriarchal culture that has oppressed countless lives over the course of millennia. there are ways to acknowledge the benefits of hunting without perpetuating misogyny.

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Anonymous #7 1w

and what the fuck? No, the patriarchy does not work. you’re attempting to designate something as “working” solely based on the premise of it’s long-term occurrence. you know who else attempted the same justification? Slave owners.

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Anonymous #7 1w

especially considering the recent discoveries of a telegram network of multiple groups that consisted of men teaching other men how to assault women and get away with it; this is a fucking weird take.

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Anonymous #7 1w

wait, after re-reading, are you one of those tatertots? the fuck do you mean “we really need it back in full force…”? you genuinely do not give a flying fuck about the impact that the patriarchy has had over its forced existence, do you?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Brochacho you never explained why killing a farm animal is more ethical than killing a hunted one.

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Anonymous #5 1w

tbh that’s how I’m feeling about 7’s pro-patriarchy takes

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Anonymous OP 1w

Saying someone is a dying breed is absolutely fucking wild - a WOMAN who hunts 🩵🦌

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Anonymous #6 1w

You can hunt for fun while still providing for your family.

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Anonymous #13 1w

16% of the U.S. hunted in the 80s. In 2026 that number is closer to 4-5%. That’s quite literally the definition of a dying breed.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Just ignore 7. I’m done trying to reason with him.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You: blindly attacks something you disagree with. Me: gives a reasonable take and repeatedly explains it. You: “I’m done trying to reason with him” You haven’t reasoned once this entire time. That’s the problem. All emotion, no reason.

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Anonymous #7 1w

you have no room to talk in all honesty, especially regarding one being “all emotion, no reason” I wonder why you refused to address the points I brought up in my responses to your advocacy in favor of patriarchy? /s

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Anonymous #7 1w

You’re literally describing yourself lmao. Holy shit you’re actually one of the dumbest right wingers I’ve ever seen and it isn’t close. How much would it cost to get your ass out on the campaign trail for republicans leading up to the midterms? Name your price because I’ll pay it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

it’s really depressing to see people upvoting their bs too. Shit isn’t even about hunting anymore, dude wanted to outwardly advocate to fully bring the patriarchy back like tf is wrong with him and the people agreeing with it?

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Anonymous #10 1w

Ok so let me get this straight - advocating for strong male roll models in home, school, and leadership, wanting single a income to be viable for supporting a family, pushing for men to be supporters and protectors, and generally disagreeing with 3rd wave feminism makes me the same as a slave owner and/or a degenerate rapist? I think you might need to visit grippy sock jail. The loss of masculinity and patriarchal values has absolutely crushed the west.

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Anonymous #7 1w

that is not what patriarchy is, and you’re maliciously misrepresenting it. The concept and implementation of patriarchy has been documented to cause not only the death of countless women throughout the past two millennia (at least, likely longer), but also the systemic oppression via forced subjugation into specific roles deemed “appropriate”. That’s barely even the tip of the iceberg, and we’re STILL living with systemic patriarchy around the globe, to varying degrees.

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Anonymous #10 1w

dude you do not even understand what you’re truly advocating for, and that’s dangerous as fuck.

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Anonymous #7 1w

and if you did truly understand the depth of systemic oppression via patriarchal culture, you’d understand my comparison to a slave owner. why do you think there is a societal “beauty standard” in which women are shamed when they do not meet it? why do you think there is a documented glass ceiling within an abundance of roles for “how high” women can rise? why do you think that abusers are often not convinced of their crimes? why do you think we have a fucking rapist pedophile in the WH?

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Anonymous #7 1w

don’t start a conversation on a topic you know near-nothing about, especially if you wanted to try and advocate for said topic. even worse, that topic is a form of systemic oppression.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Oh no, I know exactly what I’m advocating for, you just don’t like that I’m advocating for it. Feminism has been a complete and utter failure, and western nations have seen a steep decline because of it. Just today they released footage of the last assassination attempt where the female officers ran and male officers drew their weapons and advanced towards the gun fire. Roles were designated because those who came before learned what each sex was good at and had them do that.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Being a home maker and raising children isn’t oppression, it’s essential for a healthy society. I implore you to research mouse utopia. Advocating for the destruction of the patriarchy and everything else that comes with dismantling what you believe is oppression is truly what’s dangerous.

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Anonymous #10 1w

And to tie that back into hunting, providing for the family especially with food is a man’s responsibility, and it shouldn’t be taken lightly.

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Anonymous #10 1w

As for my comments being upvoted, it’s because I’m explaining something others find to be true, despite you two not being able to accept that. Society is at a point where it can go two directions, liberalism will destroy birth rates and affordability so much that there will eventually be no one to maintain the infrastructure men built, or we will right ourselves and return to the societal and family roles that we are hardwired for and that have always worked in order to continue western society.

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Anonymous #7 1w

you’re such a little coward, to put it as nicely as possible. that’s why you have to change the topic back to *your misconceptions of feminism* instead of addressing your lack of comprehension of what the patriarchy actually is.

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Anonymous #7 1w

“western society” is in decline because of Christian nationalism, white supremacy, and cowardly little misogynists like you. you’re so addicted to the idea of seeing yourself as superior to others based on immutable traits, in order to avoid recognizing the actual content of your character, and actually doing anything to work on yourself. you’d rather reinforce a society where the right of choice over one’s individual life is taken away, in order to cater to your whims.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Don’t mistake an abundance of shitty people like yourself for “being correct” like I said, direct parallels to the attempts at the time to justify slavery and other forms of normalized oppression, and you still attempt to speak on a topic you know nothing about. patriarchy is much deeper than your little misguided hatred of feminism, but that goes to show where your underlying mindset and maturity is.

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Anonymous #7 1w

never forget where you little wanna-be patriarchs stand: right next to those white supremacists and neonazis. you’re not justified, and you never were. all you are is a self-centered scumbag.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Myself and many others have just gotten to the point where instead of trying to prove that we aren’t any of the idiotic diluted names you call us, we just agree and move on doing what we need to in order to secure the future of those we care about (by providing food from hunting). In a generation or two my horrible, disgusting way of thinking will have taken back the reigns of the west, and yours will have perished. Deus vult, princess.

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Anonymous #7 1w

“Deus vult” holy larp get outta here w that 2017 shit

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Anonymous #10 1w

The number of upvotes he’s getting as a proportion of people in this group represents how many people actually believe his propaganda. His views are not gaining steam like he claims. Just ignore him.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Sorry for just now jumping back into this. I went on a reading/education spree so I don’t end up a reject hack like 7.

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Anonymous #10 1w

More people agree with you than will ever agree with him. Remember that.

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Anonymous #10 1w

His worldview is only appealing to rural hicks with 3rd grade educations for a reason.

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