Anonymous #1 4w

Unfortunately there’s absolutely basis for the reports. Israel’s former chief military lawyer leaked a video showing a detainee at the same prison being assaulted in a similar way, then she resigned for moral reasons. Thats one of many credible points of evidence for these claims. I definitely hear you and agree that we are so lucky and need to show gratitude through living well. I just think we also need to acknowledge these things are real and not become numb to people’s suffering

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Anonymous #1 4w

But yeah im trying to strike a balance between not turning a blind eye and also not letting these things affect me so much that i become despondent yk

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Anonymous OP 4w

I'm not saying people aren't suffering, and I'm not desensitized or immoral, I'm saying if you actively thought about everyone who was suffering you would never do anything else, you couldn't even do it there's too many people suffering to know about. If you're not over there with an assault rifle ending the suffering, your time, concentration, and energy are better spent elsewhere. End some suffering over here where you can control it.

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Anonymous OP 4w

And frankly the only source I trust is my own senses, nothing I read on the internet should ever be taken as objectively true or at face value. Too many people trying to be deceptive to trust anything. Call me a nut or whatever but that's the way it is really and it's hard to accept.

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Anonymous #1 4w

No yeah you’re right and sorry i didn’t mean to imply you don’t care or are immoral. I think i mean to spread awareness and influence people to support US divestment from israel by posting this. And yeah theres definitely risk of misinformation everywhere now but there are objectively true facts too. If this is even halfway true its still horrific

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Anonymous OP 4w

Best thing to just understand that suffering is happening and will continue to happen, and use that understanding to improve the way you live your life. If nothing can be done about it, knowing the specifics won't really accomplish anything good. If you have a moral framework already it'll just depress you you're not getting anything out of knowing these things.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I reject the idea that nothing can be done about it though. No one is able to march to Sde Teiman and free every unjustly held detainee themself but i do think that if enough people know exactly what the situation is and hold a place for that knowledge then change can be enacted through means larger than any single person. And being willfully unaware is incompatible with that belief. So maybe we just disagree on whether that is worth it or not

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Anonymous OP 4w

I just think the only people that should know the gruesome specifics are the people actually enacting change, I agree a common consensus is important as a society but as I stated only a general moral framework and an understanding of the suffering is necessary for that, not necessarily every little detail. For some things details would matter but mostly not. That is, again, unless you're a person actually bringing change and justice into the world which is something that should be done.

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Anonymous OP 4w

When people know specifics without a proper understanding of the bigger picture it can lead to opinions/ stances they otherwise would not normally have under their set of morals. That's literally the reason propaganda can exist and is explored for power all over the world. So not only is it not necessary to most people, it can actually be harmful and lead you into beliefs you normally would not have.

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Anonymous #1 4w

exploited *** not explored

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Anonymous #1 4w

Maybe knowing the specifics is what pushes people to enact change. Or pushes people to push other people who are better positioned to enact change. Idk i see what you’re saying but details matter to me and i don’t want the whitewashed, softened version of events just so i can digest it easier and feel less. I still function and get through my day anyway

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Anonymous OP 4w

I don't want the whitewashed story either. But I knowI can NEVER know the truth. I'd rather know that unspeakable horrors were committed without knowing the potential details, because at the end of the day nothing happens except I feel shittier. And I'm sorry to say but you keeping tabs on every potential victim is not pushing anyone to enact change who wasn't already gonna do it. These powers are beyond your control, you can either float down the river or fight the current and drown.

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Anonymous OP 4w

And i'm just saying my perspective obviously in not saying you're in the wrong for what works for you, i'm just giving insight into what bring me peace.

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