Anonymous #1 14w

i’ve been with my bf for over 2 years it’s not like i was sleeping around

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Anonymous #2 14w

condolences

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i’m currently in college doing 4 degrees. i don’t have the time or money to care for a child for me it isn’t a blessing.

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sit down and shut up

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yeah i’m doing biochem, aerospace engineering, computer engineering, and aeronautical sciences lol

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i don’t have to pay a dime tho bc i’m goated

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Anonymous OP 14w

Yet you aren’t smart enough to wear a condom! Sorry had to

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Anonymous #5 14w

yeah bc i’m on 2 forms of birth control which both are supposed to be 99% effective

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Anonymous OP 14w

Fuck that noise. I hope you make great money someday. Im not smart enough for all that.

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you cannot be serious rn

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you were a failed abortion weren’t you

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Anonymous #2 14w

Way to not even have a discussion about it! Instead you just default to an emotional attack. Sweet dude. Don’t even try to understand the other side just try to belittle them that’ll do it

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Anonymous #2 14w

The only way to never have a kid is to practice abstinence. It’s that simple. By engaging in sex you are assuming a risk, not matter how likely you are to get pregnant or not

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Anonymous #2 14w

Plus, op admitted to having her partner not wear a condom. That’s foolish practice even if she is on bc knowing she doesn’t want a kid. That’s both their fault on the matter if they didn’t want kids. Before you emotionally disagree, logically tell me what’s wrong about what I said

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Anonymous #3 14w

way to shame op for having sex, great move

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Anonymous #3 14w

you’re honestly hilarious

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Anonymous #3 14w

like just say you don’t get any

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Anonymous #2 14w

Not shaming op. Op wants to give excuses why she can’t have a kid. I’m saying if you truly didn’t want a kid you wouldn’t have had sex

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Anonymous #2 14w

Again, another emotional appeal. Can you discuss with me using logic and not emotion? Or are you unable to do so? If you can’t, fine, but let me know so that we both don’t waste our time

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Anonymous #3 14w

idk about you but fucking is AWESOME and no matter how much i don’t want to have kids im still gonna fuck my heart out

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Anonymous #3 14w

birth control exists, abortions exists, giving it up for adoption exists. there’s ways to not have a kid other than abstinence, which is a dumbass thing to push! sit down and shut up

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Anonymous #2 14w

Abortion is abhorrently evil and incredibly immoral, so it’s quite gross to suggest that as ways to avoid having kids. I’d be happy to debate that and open your mind to the mass murder that is being practiced!

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Anonymous #2 14w

You’re not tall and mighty saying on the internet, behind an anonymous app nonetheless, to “sit down and shut up”. How about you grow up and act your age since you wanna act all tough

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Anonymous #3 14w

oh so you’re just an idiot, okay. can’t fix stupid

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Anonymous #3 14w

how about you educate yourself and take into consideration others experiences/needs :) super easy especially when it comes to reproductive care and bodily autonomy

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Anonymous OP 14w

(public health major here) still, there are some stds that can be contracted through other means, not just sex, despite the name. it’s better to be safe than sorry :)

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Anonymous #2 13w

You haven’t said one intellectual thing and just because you are getting the upvotes doesn’t mean your right. Still waiting for an honest and genuine reply

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Anonymous #2 13w

And it’s only dumb because you don’t like it. It’s called self control. If you want a 100% chance of no kids you’ll practice abstinence. That’s just a fact

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re a virgin aren’t you

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Imagine being THIS entitled that you think everyone has the time for a baby

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Anonymous #8 13w

Imagine that you assume the risk of having a baby when you have sex🤯🤯🤯

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Anonymous #8 13w

You are just curbing accountability. Any truly accountable person wouldn’t engage in sex if they didn’t want a kid

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Anonymous #3 13w

answer the question, you’re a virgin aren’t you

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Anonymous #3 13w

I misspoke, a possibility of a kid. Not just a kid but a possibility of such

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re right there was a risk. there was a 0.001% chance of me getting pregnant with the 2 forms of birth control i was on. ill handle the situation how i see fit because it’s my body my choice. not taking accountability would be ignoring the fact im pregnant hoping someone else will fix the situation for me

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Anonymous #3 13w

ur a fucking lunatic lol

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Anonymous #9 13w

If I’m a lunatic for saying by engaging in sex you assume the risk of having a kid then sure, I’m a lunatic🤣

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Anonymous OP 13w

That’s a kid in there that deserves choice. It shouldn’t be cut short due to unfavorable circumstances. You aren’t God, and all people deserve a shot at life

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Anonymous #3 13w

atp you gotta be baiting

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Anonymous #3 13w

yeah you are. a fetus is not a being. it is not self sustaining. and using birth control gives a 99.9% chance of no conception, so yeah, that's not an assumed risk any more that dying in a car crash every time you get in a car is an assumed risk. with all reasonable precautions (seatbelt, birth control, whatever) you do it anyways because it's a part of life.

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Anonymous #3 13w

so actually it’s not a kid right now it has no heartbeat no thoughts it’s basically a clump of cells at this point. and you know i’m so glad medicine has advanced to the point where if i don’t want a kid i don’t have to have it. would you call vaccines and life saving surgery playing god? its not playing god it’s medicine

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Anonymous #9 13w

either #3’s comments all got deleted or they’re a coward and blocked me lmao

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Anonymous #2 13w

had the gall to dm me too

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Anonymous #3 13w

Or… get sterilized… or… be gay…

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Anonymous #2 13w

they blocked u bc they’re a coward lmao

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Anonymous #10 13w

dw girl i already have

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Anonymous OP 13w

they won’t give this convo a rest will they

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Anonymous #2 13w

absolutely not it’s wild

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Anonymous OP 13w

i’m sorry your post turned into this fuckass pos talking nonsense

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Anonymous #2 13w

it’s whatever it’s the internet yk. there’s going to be people who don’t like what i say. i mainly posted this bc im not telling anyone i know irl and i had to get it off my chest

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re a virgin

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Anonymous #12 13w

your mom would say otherwise

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Anonymous #2 13w

My mom is an adult, an age group republicans don’t like to fuck lol

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Anonymous OP 13w

No reason to take a life from someone deserving of it. You are practicing eugenics

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Anonymous OP 13w

Exact same mindset of people who practice eugenics. You are minimizing the humanity of it and making reason as to how you are right. Exactly what the nazi’s did with people that had disabilities. Aborting kids is much of the same matter

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Anonymous OP 13w

Whether you go through with it or not is your choice, but you should know how awful abortion is, the act, as in the process of it. Plenty of women come to regret it, you should read up on it to know what you are possibly doing. I’m sure you’ll be in the same boat. Life is beautiful, not a burden

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Anonymous #3 13w

Not even just that, they made an informative documentary about it in the 90s or something, called the silent scream. It’s absolutely horrifying how people can be PROUD to have done that to a living being. It’s absolutely brutal and sad.

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Anonymous #3 13w

the misinformation you've clearly been fed.... hilarious and sad.

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Anonymous #6 13w

sure, a documentary from the 90s, totally a reliable source

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Anonymous #3 13w

1. equating abortion to eugenics is insane. i’m not getting an abortion because the fetus has a disability. 2. i’ve done my research in a pre med major and have already talked about this with my doctor. i’m aware of the risks and possiblity of regret. i don’t want kids at this point in my life it would literally ruin my life.

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Anonymous #3 13w

Cry about it

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Anonymous #3 13w

now tell me, have you ever killed a plant? an insect? maybe even a small animal? those things are just as alive, if not more

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Anonymous OP 13w

That is eugenics and you don’t realize it. To better yourself you chose killing the kid. The kid being an inconvenience to you is enough reason for you to abort it. It doesn’t matter if the kid ruins your life, you shouldn’t kill it because it will affect your career, life has more meaning than money. Imagine you are on your deathbed and happy you prioritized money over having a kid

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Anonymous #3 13w

the kid doesn't deserve a life where their parents weren't ready for them and didn't want them. and op doesn't deserve a life of being reduced to her role as a mother when she clearly has much bigger and more valuable dreams.

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Anonymous #9 13w

I’m not going to entertain you trying to equivocate a life of an ant to a human to be of the same moral worth

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Anonymous #3 13w

not a human being, an unconscious fetus

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Anonymous OP 13w

It’s only insane because you disagree emotionally. How about you dm me with this matter so we could go into specifics

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Anonymous #3 13w

no one wants to dm you to hear about your pseudoscience and all your personal arguments for women not having bodily autonomy

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Anonymous #9 13w

Really? Unconsciousness plays a factor? So if we kill all unconsciousness people it’s okay because they are the unconscious? That’s hilariously stupid

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Anonymous #9 13w

Way to appeal to authority. As if I could care what you think about me wanting to have a meaningful discussion. You’ve provided nothing of use in this thread, if anything a stupid take

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Anonymous #3 13w

my career isn’t about money. i love being a pilot and doing medical research more than i love myself. i’m not going to bring a child into this world that i can’t take care of or put in into a system that won’t care about it

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Anonymous #3 13w

fine, play semantics, i guess a better word would be preconscious. as in has never had any sort of consciousness and is not yet capable of doing so

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Anonymous #3 13w

oh IVE provided nothing of use in this thread? coming from you? you have absolutely no proof, evidence, source or anything of substance. straight world salad thrown out into the world based on nothing but your unfounded, intolerant, and misogynistic personal beliefs

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Anonymous #3 13w

a better argument would be someone who is braindead. it’s the same concept the only difference being someone who was braindead was once a person and is surviving solely off machines where a fetus isn’t a person yet and is surviving off of my body.

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Anonymous #9 13w

Yes, because caring for the people who can’t speak for themselves is “unfounded, intolerant, and misogynistic”. How about it’s abhorrently evil to practice abortion. Yet it’s under the veil of healthcare so it’s okay

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Anonymous #9 13w

I’m not playing semantics you literally justified murder because of an unconscious state🤣🤣

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Anonymous OP 13w

Then do something bigger than you self and give the kid a chance at life. I can’t believe the logic is that you are better off killing it rather then giving it life

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Anonymous #3 13w

abhorrently evil? according to what? they can't speak for themselves because they are not yet people, they are cells dependent on supply from the mothers body. they have never taken a breath, never experienced sensory input from the outside world, never experienced any emotion, never developed a single memory. they do not yet exist

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Anonymous #3 13w

no i did not, i refuted that by further explaining what i meant

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Anonymous #9 13w

You’re playing off your own moral guidelines. You aren’t the moral genius or standard. So just because it doesn’t match with your morals doesn’t make it right

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Anonymous #3 13w

op is already doing a million things bigger than herself with her work. there is no kid to give a chance as life, it is simply cells. it does not feel, it does not think, it does not experience, it does not believe. it is not yet a child and does not yet have life. op on the other hand has built something great and meaningful and valuable, and derailing that is what would truly be inhumane.

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Anonymous #9 13w

After i pointed out how stupid your first claim was…

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Anonymous #3 13w

you aren't the "moral genius or standard" either brother what.

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Anonymous #9 13w

I don’t appeal to my own set of morals. I appeal to bible, which lays out an objective moral standard

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Anonymous #9 13w

god damn 3 can’t comprehend basic logic or reasoning

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Anonymous #3 13w

ohhh alright yep thatttt explains it... lmfao

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re not using any facts to back up what you’re saying. you’re using your own beliefs.

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Anonymous #9 13w

You are cells too if you want to play that game. it is already a child you just fail to realize that

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Anonymous OP 13w

aaaaand now we know why

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Anonymous #3 13w

i have experiences, memories, emotions, breath in my lungs, things the undeveloped fetus does not

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Anonymous OP 13w

What would help change your mind. You tell me and I’ll provide that

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Anonymous #9 13w

I’m glad you know I’m not morally compromised. How you can justify the murder of the unborn is absolutely wild

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Anonymous #3 13w

i honestly don't wish to engage with you further if you think the bible is a valid objective source. i am above that

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Anonymous #3 13w

yes we technically are just cells. once a fetus is has a heartbeat and brain activity it becomes a human life. that’s what makes a human living. its having a heartbeat, brain activity, and being able to survive without a life support machine or inside a person

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Anonymous #9 13w

That doesn’t justify taking it’s life as you deem it to be an inconvenience when it’s life

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Anonymous OP 13w

And according to science we technically have never touched anything or loved as it’s just chemicals. So nothing matters. What a sad reality. Life is so much more meaningful then that

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Anonymous #3 13w

nothing is going to make me change my mind because i base my decisions off of reality, facts, and logic.

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Anonymous #3 13w

people can find beautiful meaning in life without engaging in blind misinformation based off a book someone wrote thousands of years ago. i know i have

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re right it is just chemicals. our brains release different chemicals based on outside factors that are linked to human experience.

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Anonymous #9 13w

LITERALLY. i’m sorry i don’t need a book to tell me what is morally right and wrong. i can accept that someone has a differing opinion from me and not berate or belittle them for their beliefs.

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Anonymous OP 13w

So then what makes the Bible so false?

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Anonymous #9 13w

Explain what you think makes the Bible false

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Anonymous OP 13w

It’s not a book it is GOD. The creator of the universe, two completely different things

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Anonymous #3 13w

the creator of the universe, according to the book lolll

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Anonymous #3 13w

that’s your opinion and your belief. what makes the torah or quran false? those books are also about god and the creator of the universe. i don’t believe the bible to be true im agnostic.

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Anonymous #3 13w

There’s no proof that the bible is saying accurate things?

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Anonymous #12 13w

Archeology has constantly supported its claims like the house of David

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Anonymous OP 13w

I can actually explain if you’d like!

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Anonymous #3 13w

What’s the proof that Noah’s ark actually, as. fact, exists? The spiritual claims are what need substantiated

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Anonymous #12 13w

You can search up eucharistic miracles and look at the amount of miracles there are. No scientific explanation for said miracles

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Anonymous #3 13w

I have! None of them are substantiated by actual proof. No explanation doesn’t mean God. If that’s the logic you want to use then congrats, you must think that all of the early civilizations that used to not know how thunder worked, must’ve been right when they said God caused thunder when he was mad.

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Anonymous #12 13w

So it’s just a chance that the Eucharist blotted blood multiple times and no explanation is all you need to say to even consider the thought of God? Seriously?

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Anonymous #12 13w

I’m not claiming because you can’t explain that it’s God, but it’s literally the Eucharist blotting into blood and that’s not weird? How about there was a solar eclipse during the crucifixion of Jesus and that is a scientific fact

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Anonymous #3 13w

I want proof, not speculation which should be easy if you’re right. Like, prove Jesus actually rose from the dead. Go ahead!

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Anonymous #3 13w

I didn’t say it’s not weird. I said not knowing something doesn’t make it God. That’s a dumb argument. Congrats the sun was doing something the day someone died, how does that prove he came back from the dead 3 days later and rose as a spiritual or supernatural being?

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Anonymous #12 13w

i love people who are actually educated. just because some things existed doesn’t mean proof. there are many places that are real in almost every religious text

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Anonymous #12 13w

Sure, all the disciples claimed to see him after the fact. In fact women were the first to report and see that information. If you were writing a fairy tale that was supposed to be taken serious back then, you wouldn’t claim women were to see a risen man

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Anonymous #12 13w

Multiple eyewitness accounts, I did what you asked!

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Anonymous #9 13w

you’re cool asf and thanks for having my back even though i’m just some girl on the internet lmao

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Anonymous #3 13w

How do you know they were correct in what they said? How does you know they weren’t lying? What if someone has mistranslated between now and the 2000 years ago when it was written? What’s your proof?

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Anonymous #3 13w

So you just believe whatever people say as long as it’s written down?

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Anonymous OP 13w

yes of course!! stay strong sister this man doesn't know what he's talking about, I always hate to see shit like that on the internet. keep doing your thing

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Anonymous OP 13w

i said i'd stop engaging but i'm honestly really fighting the urge to absolutely cook this guy right now

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Anonymous #9 13w

i’m all good you have do worry. i have an amazing bf, and i have so much potential. Im literally on NASA’s radar and i get to do what i love every day. it’s nice to know there are people my age who are still educated besides me and some of my friends

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Anonymous #9 13w

do it queen i have ur back on this. Educated baddies are always on top

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Anonymous OP 13w

omg EATTT i knew i was right saying ur potential is worth so much more on its own

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Anonymous #9 13w

i agree and i have my best friend who is also my little sister and bf by my side. i love my bf so so much and he’s the only man’s opinion i actually care about or listen to

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Anonymous #9 13w

and thank you. you are too kind you’re actually someone i would want to be friends with you seem cool asf

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Anonymous #3 13w

even with all this "proof" of christianity's stories being "true", which i am already skeptical of but have yet to research on my own as i'm not a christian and haven't had interest in it, these sightings and claims still fail to explain why you think the spiritual aspect of it should go unquestioned, and what makes it truer than other spiritual traditions. morals are inherently subjective, and have varied from culture to culture throughout all of history. even points of agreement among--

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Anonymous #3 13w

--different cultures often had different reasoning that led them to those conclusions of right and wrong. saying that my moral code is wrong, simply because it is not yours and does not follow the same reasoning yours does, is proving nothing. just because your morals come from the popular tradition of christianity, does not make them superior or grant them some ultimate truth.

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Anonymous #9 13w

TALK YOUR SHIT🫡

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Anonymous #12 13w

That burden of proof isn’t on me to prove it was mistranslated. The oldest most complete Bible is known as the Codex Sinaiticus. The current Bible is translated from that. And as far as the question of them lying is rather simple, those men would not die for something they thought to be a lie rather they would die if they thought for it to be the truth. Out of the disciples, most of them, except John, would die, brutal deaths, preaching the word of Christ

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Anonymous #12 13w

Based off historical data, archaeological discoveries, testimonies, and so on, yes I do. If your logic is because it’s written down it’s true, you do that with textbooks. That’s a silly argument

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Anonymous #9 13w

Try to cook me let’s see it

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Anonymous #9 13w

It just amazes me you claim to be more intellectual than me yet don’t understand how the burden of proof works

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Anonymous #3 13w

By painting me out as a fool that is

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Anonymous #3 13w

the burden of proof is on you! you're trying to prove something to me. not to mention that in philosophy in general, the burden of proof is on theists, not atheists, as you are making a claim that god exists and is the "ultimate moral truth". you have failed to provide persuasive evidence, instead dodging by claiming that i must provide the evidence here.

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Anonymous #3 13w

even if the bible was true (it’s not) it doesn’t mention abortion once, and jewish tradition states that life begins at first breath. the breath of life as mentioned in genesis. you need to be born to have breath. it’s church culture that states abortion is wrong, not the bible.

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Anonymous #9 13w

Someone said the burden of proof was on me to prove they aren’t lying and you actually think that’s my burden to bear?

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Anonymous #10 13w

The bible does say abortion is wrong, in psalms 139:13-16 it mentions how God formed the kid in the womb, clearly indicating they are intentionally made and clearly made to enjoy breath like the rest of us

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Anonymous #3 13w

ah yes, the current bible, the king james version, the same bible that is notorious among original bible codex experts to be mistranslated and biased based on historical events going on at the time, that current bible

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re the one arguing that the bible is real. if you’re going to debate a topic you should have the proof to back it up already on hand. if you don’t it means you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. in this sense if you can’t refute the claims being made about YOUR RELIGION that you’re using to justify your argument it’s proof you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just using religion as a way to justify hatred towards others

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Anonymous #7 13w

Refer to the Codex Sinaiticus then, it’s still the same book with its teachings. This isn’t a gotcha so stop acting like it is. Do you really think the bible all of a sudden was mistranslated and lost all meaning and no one noticed? Hear yourself, that’s ridiculous

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Anonymous OP 13w

As I’ve already mentioned, the resurrection of Jesus scored plenty of eye witness testimony. What do you have to say about that?

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Anonymous #3 13w

once again, you are the one making the claim and therefore the one that must provide evidence. you want to claim that the bible is the "objective moral standard"? okay, tell me why.

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Anonymous #3 13w

eye witness testimony doesn’t mean shit dude. i’m talking about irrefutable evidence the bible is real

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Anonymous OP 13w

There was a solar eclipse during the crucifixion of Jesus, Jesus was also foretold to die on the cross 700 years before it happened. I can give you all the evidence supporting it, but your belief or lack there isnt on me

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Anonymous OP 13w

"eyewitness testimony" and it's an event that happened like 2000 years ago is frying me 😭😭

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Anonymous #9 13w

no fr

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Anonymous #3 13w

wtf does a solar eclipse have to do with jesus it’s a natural event that happens every so often

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Anonymous OP 13w

Truly there are so many moving parts that are right in front of our faces yet it’s up to us individually to decide if we believe or not. I know i believe so of course I say this with bias. But i can’t believe with all the evidence is given you it doesn’t seem to make you question the possibility of Jesus being God. Real talk. If that’s the case, why?

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Anonymous #3 13w

i'm not talking about the existence of jesus or about his preaching. i'm talking about your claim the the bible is the objective pinnacle of morality. are you aware that parts of the bible were used to justify slavery? and the needless violence of the crusades? and the mistreatment of native people from every land that was colonized?

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Anonymous OP 13w

Like if none of what I said doesn’t make you think for a second I don’t know. I’m not sure how you can be atheist and say it’s a mere coincidence that a solar eclipse and happened during the crucifixion of Jesus, which was also foretold 700 years in advance and not even blink at that information

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Anonymous #3 13w

because none of the things you have said are proof they’re coincidental at best. and yes you are biased it’s your religion so of course it will take less for you to believe. My grandfather used to be in college to be a priest and part of the reason he is agnostic is because faith is not based within logic

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Anonymous #3 13w

Yes if is, you’re claiming it’s factually true. You have the burden of proof to prove objective fact.

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Anonymous #9 13w

You do realize that assuming the Bible is right about Jesus than the entirety of the Bible is correct, do you?

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Anonymous #3 13w

i’m agnostic there’s a difference you dunce

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Anonymous #3 13w

How do you prove that Jesus rose from the dead? What makes the accounts/ claims factual?

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Anonymous #9 13w

So yes people used parts of the Bible to justify slavery but that’s ok the people who practiced slavery, not God. Are you seriously saying that humanity is at fault and yet that discredits the bible?

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Anonymous OP 13w

Sure, but there is a desperation in blind faith and faith supported by evidence. At the very minimum Christian’s believe based off supported evidence

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Anonymous #3 13w

So no proof?

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Anonymous #12 13w

I’ve provided plenty, you choose not to accept it at the end of the day. Ive given what people have asked and it’s not enough. I’m not sure if you have particularly asked for something, if you haven’t you are more then welcome to

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Anonymous #3 13w

believing in jesus means i have to believe everything about the bible? im trying to keep this logical and not personal but im completely dumbfounded by how stupid that point was. i just believe he was a guy who existed and preached his own beliefs.

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Anonymous #3 13w

You’ve said that the accounts prove the claims. I’m asking how you know the accounts are factual. That’s not actually an answer or proof. What is your proof or objective logical reasoning that concludes the accounts are retelling factual information?

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Anonymous #3 13w

you really haven’t provided anything tbh. and you are hypocritical. and also are you saying the people who justified using the bible are okay? because if so why would me aborting a clump of cells be more important than the abuse and torture of actual fucking people

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Anonymous #12 13w

Because no one would spread disinformation knowing it would get them killed. The disciples had nothing to gain, no fortune, no power, no sex, no motivating factor to lie because it would get them killed. So it’s very easy to say they believed Jesus rose from the dead

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Anonymous #3 13w

they got those points they used as moral justification of slavery and violence, which are almost unanimously considered despicable immoral acts by every culture, from the bible. yet the bible is still the ultimate objective moral code? would you like to explain that to me?

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Anonymous #3 13w

the people who justified slavery using the bible are okay?

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Anonymous #12 13w

Snd think about it - would you purposefully spread disinformation knowing you would die a brutal death? No

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Anonymous #9 13w

What about Jesus claiming to be God? It’s no secret that happened

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Anonymous #3 13w

People die for things that they think are true, that aren’t all of the time. Them believing it doesn’t make it a fact. How do you know that the event occuredv

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Anonymous OP 13w

I didn’t say that

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Anonymous #3 13w

ACTUALLY, as someone who studied the bible and its historical contexts, it was mistranslated. the reason it’s not widely known is because the king james version (kjv) was because it was used as the standard in the church of england. england, as in the center of the british empire, notorious for its widespread colonization. the kjv bible was translated by scholars called the king james translators, but translations weren’t always precise. not only were they lacking in language, they also didn’t-

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Anonymous #3 13w

i have nothing to gain from thinking you have the iq of a table. so i guess it makes my statement true

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Anonymous #12 13w

It was reported by historians at the time that

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Anonymous #12 13w

I mean it’s literally a historical fact by historians that Jesus lived and died on the cross. The only question is if He is God or not

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Anonymous OP 13w

HAHAHA CLOCK ITTTT

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Anonymous OP 13w

And you think abortion is morally sound, stave off your ego and be reasonable. Don’t try to grandstand

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Anonymous #3 13w

i don't believe jesus was god. he was a spiritual preacher. now, would you like to actually prove your claim about the "objective moral code"?

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Anonymous #7 13w

So what mistranslations prove the Bible is all of a sudden completely different from the codex Sinaiticus as you make it out to be

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Anonymous #3 13w

you did you said “yes people used the bible to justify slavery but that’s ok the people who practiced slavery not god”

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Anonymous #7 13w

know this historical contexts in which the bible was written, leading to misinterpretations of the codex. they were also biased and tried to make translations support the teachings of the church of england since they were translating for king james, who was a member of that church. by defying the church, you are also defying the king. there’s also missing texts in kjv that are in the textus receptus, or the original greek text of the new testament. also, since the kjv was published over-

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Anonymous #3 13w

exactly, the question isnt jesus's existence but whether he was god. there is no proof, it isn't provable.

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Anonymous #9 13w

You’re assuming that because some people used the Bible to justify slavery, the Bible endorses slavery. That’s a different claim. The real question is whether those people interpreted the Bible correctly

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Anonymous #7 13w

400 years ago, the language is archaic and subject to misinterpretations by modern scholars

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Anonymous #3 13w

Yeah, I’m asking how you know the claims of Jesus being God are true…

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Anonymous #3 13w

it is morally sound before a certain point. you don’t listen to logic you want to live in perfect little fantasy land.

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Anonymous #3 13w

but who's to say what a correct interpretation of that text is? if it's up for interpretation, then it's not objective, is it?

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Anonymous OP 13w

so why don’t you share why you think the people who used the bible to justify slavery we’re right in that

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Anonymous #9 13w

It will never be enough for you based off how you are acting. You can’t have a closed mind on the matter. No wonder you claim there is 0 proof

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Anonymous #12 13w

I’ve already gone over that

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Anonymous #3 13w

I’m asking you, what is the proof that them saying Jesus is God, is factual? Why can’t you just answer that?

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Anonymous #3 13w

she doesn’t have a closed mind your points just aren’t based upon logic. god get it through your thick fucking skull

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Anonymous #3 13w

No you haven’t. You said they believed it and you don’t think people die for misinformation. But people die for fake beliefs all the time. People sacrificed themselves in the name of Zeus. That doesn’t make Zeus real

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Anonymous #9 13w

By reading the original language and going from there. It’s quite simple

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Anonymous #3 13w

you are the one who made the claim that the bible is an objective moral code to follow. you have yet to even explain why that is something to believe. you have made zero points about the moral code of the bible or its objectivity

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Anonymous #3 13w

they used that language, to justify slavery. the language was there, and it was accepted for a time as a part of this christian moral code that you claim to be perfect and objective.

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Anonymous OP 13w

No, it’s never morally okay. Notice how you subtly acknowledge the fetus magically becomes human enough that, at “a certain point”, it becomes immoral to kill. You’re halfway there. You know deep down it’s wrong, but because it’s so early in term you justify it

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Anonymous #3 13w

Side topic, is it wrong morally to kill a person or like a baby, for example, that’s committed no immoral act?

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Anonymous #3 13w

at 25 weeks, a fetus may (keyword MAY) feel pain. after this point, sure, i wouldn't argue that abortion after that point is moral. op (along with nearly all women undergoing an abortion that isn't medically necessary) is not even close to that point.

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Anonymous #3 13w

but that said, you're dodging once again.

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Anonymous #3 13w

yes once it has heartbeat and brain waves it would be immoral not when it’s a clump of cells. it’s surviving off my body and it’s not anything yet. sperm has the potential to become human does that make masturbation murder. sperm is really just early term children if you really think about it

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Anonymous #3 13w

have you read the codex sinaiticus? genuine question

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Anonymous OP 13w

Sperm doesn’t have the potential to make a kid when you expel it however you do. I mean come on. The egg has to be fertilized by the sperm to have a chance to get pregnant

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Anonymous #3 13w

Sperm is alive and it is human, by definition and scientifically speaking it is human life lol. It’s just not valued as such.

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Anonymous #12 13w

How could it ever become human without fertilizing an egg

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Anonymous #3 13w

Why are you comfortable asking questions but not answering? You’ll get an answer once you answer ours. It’s only fair.

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Anonymous #12 13w

yesss 12 clock it

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Anonymous #3 13w

awwwe but if that man had just nutted in a girl it could have become a life 🥺

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Anonymous #12 13w

yeah the fact that you’re not answering my question of whether or not you’ve read the codex makes me inclined to believe you’ve not read the codex. which makes sense because if you’ve read it, we would not be having this conversation

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Anonymous #7 13w

I don’t need to read it when it’s translated into current day language. It confirms it’s the same speech today as it was back then. If you can’t see why I couldn’t care to reply to that I don’t know what to tell you

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Anonymous #7 13w

directed towards 3^

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Anonymous #3 13w

So you just don’t intend to engage in good faith at all?

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Anonymous OP 13w

And it is and yet you justify killing it because it inconveniences your lifestyle. Don’t even parade around like I’m some sort of idiot when you fail to see the abhorrent evil

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Anonymous #7 13w

And sure I’ve actually read it

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Anonymous #12 13w

You aren’t I’m checked out

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Anonymous #3 13w

If killing innocent people who commit no immoral act is wrong then you should be mad at God for doing the exact same thing, but you’re not of course cause that doesn’t fit your narrative

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re checked out after being asked questions about your logic? That makes sense!

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re checked out bc you lost the debate you fat chud

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Anonymous #3 13w

well, if you ACTUALLY cared, then you would know that the codex itself was translated by scholars and show how incorrect the bible is. for example, hell was translated from the greek word gehenna, which referred to the valley of hinnom outside jerusalem where people disposed of trash and the burnt remains of criminals. another exaple, heaven was translated from the greek word ouranos, which is the same word they used to describe the sky and the celestial sphere

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Anonymous #3 13w

fake scholar tbh

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Anonymous #7 13w

as you can see, the codex is VERY different from the bible

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Anonymous #3 13w

larp larp larp sahur

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Anonymous #7 13w

was indeed derived from the Valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem. However, by Jesus’ time it had become a metaphor for divine judgment, not merely a garbage dump. Also, The Greek word ouranos can mean the sky, outerspace/heavens, the dwelling place of God. And your claim about the Codex Sinaiticus is flat out wrong. It’s simply formatted different

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Anonymous #7 13w

No it’s not this is slop. You have to claim there is mistranslations that take away the core beliefs of Christianity, which you can’t do because it’s literally not a thing. You can Google that and figure it out quickly

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Anonymous #7 13w

Also, if you’re going to appeal to scholars, you should know that scholars reject the city dump story as you make it out to be. Your own suggested scholars that are supposed to help your claim backfire on it in reality

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Anonymous #3 13w

You have to avoid questions because it’s the only way to uphold the narrative you adhere to

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Anonymous #3 13w

they’ve actually read that shit and studied it. you probably used ai to get ur slop answer

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Anonymous OP 13w

Burden of proof is on you. I’d love to see if you can substantiate your claim, please. Go ahead and do it, I’m waiting

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Anonymous #12 13w

no fr they still haven’t explained whether or not they believe the people who used the bible to justify slavery to be truly justified so atp i’m assuming that they believe those who use the bible to justify their heinous actions to be justified because it was “with the times”

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Anonymous #3 13w

“I’ll avoid questions but expect stuff from other people!” -#3

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Anonymous OP 13w

Now you bring that back up. I responded to that already. Don’t dodge my question. Go ahead and substantiate your claim or be an intellectual coward. Like I said, I’ll wait

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re not appealing to scholars you’re literally using the bible to justify every point you make because you’re scared that if try to actually use logic to make your points you will lose the argument very quickly

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Anonymous OP 13w

You think I’m a fool but you’re trying to dodge my bringing up already discussed subjects. Good try💀💀💀

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Anonymous #3 13w

you using burden of proof to sound smart while using it incorrectly is frying me 😭

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Anonymous #3 13w

you still have yet to give any argument for your claims about the objective moral code the bible supposedly gives

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Anonymous #3 13w

You’ve been dodging questions lol

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Anonymous #3 13w

what points have i dodged please tell me and i’ll gladly make an argument

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Anonymous #3 13w

oh man you really are gonna talk about dodging questions? that is literally all you've done this entire argument buddy

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Anonymous #9 13w

I just realized I totally read that wrong, that’s definitely on me and honestly hilarious. I read it differently then what I said, I take that back because I have no shame in admitting when I’m wrong and I’ll be honest

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Anonymous #3 13w

Believing something and being willing to die for that belief doesn’t make the belief true. So how do you know the accounts that speak of Jesus being God, are factually correct?

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Anonymous #3 13w

all you said was that you didn’t say that. WHICH WAS DEAD WRONG BECAUSE YOU DID. after i directly quoted you, you had no comeback.

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Anonymous #3 13w

and what do you mean i’m dodging already brought up subjects? wouldn’t that mean that i’ve already refuted your claim

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Anonymous #3 13w

chudifer lopez you don’t have the moral high ground. why not actually respond to the points being made

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Anonymous #3 13w

i will concede that you are TECHNICALLY right about the garbage thing. had to look back on my notes for that. HOWEVER, hell is still not the place you think it is. the valley was a location where people would go to sacrifice their children to false gods like ba’al and molech. that is where the image of burning fires in hell comes from. the most unholy place imagineable was a place where people burned children for a false god. THAT is hell

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Anonymous #7 13w

damn i wish i could see #3’s replies this thread is sending me

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Anonymous #7 13w

and i’m looking through my notes about heaven, but unfortunately they’re lacking since that sections was around the time i slowed my research for school. it was a debated topic. the old school jews, the sadducees, didn’t believe in resurrection or an afterlife while the pharisees believed in it. take of that what you will

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Anonymous #2 13w

aww no did you get blocked 💔 i'm surprised we haven't

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Anonymous #9 13w

they blocked me after dming me after saying they WERENT going to continue to talk to me. and then kept talking

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Anonymous #2 13w

look at my dm on snap lmao

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Anonymous #2 13w

or sorry on here

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Anonymous #7 13w

You are presenting YOUR interpretation as FACT when you aren’t established on the matter. So for me to take that as fact is foolish. The question isn’t what Gehenna originally was, it’s what Jesus meant when He used it. If Jesus only meant a valley outside Jerusalem, why does He talk about God destroying both body and soul in Gehenna (Matthew 10:28)? That sounds like more than a geographic location

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Anonymous #3 13w

That clearly refutes your interpretation

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Anonymous #3 13w

So yeah just no interest in engaging in good faith because you can’t argue your position without deflecting

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Anonymous OP 13w

Damn this post ignited a SHITSTORM

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Anonymous #6 13w

this is my entertainment for the day

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Anonymous #6 13w

yes i thoroughly enjoyed it lollll

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Anonymous #6 13w

i’m drunk and enjoying the drama lmao

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Anonymous #3 13w

you’re presenting YOUR interpretation as fact. your interpretation isn’t wrong, but you saying that this is the interpretation of the line aligns with the context of the codex. that’s wrong. as aforementioned, the codex is talking about the valley of hinnom, where people were sacrificed for false gods. in THIS context, the line would mean that the body is destroyed by the sacrificial fires and the soul is destroyed bc it was offered to a false god instead of letting it go to God. that-

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Anonymous #7 13w

soul is now lost. again, your interpretation isn’t inherently incorrect. you’re just making your interpretation based off what you have been told is true all your life. and it still isn’t technically incorrect since the kjv bible is still a bible that is widely used today. it wouldn’t be right to disregard it since it is the basis of many christians’ beliefs

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Anonymous #7 13w

again. you’re only wrong in the aspect that you claim what you’re saying about the codex is incorrect when you are factually not. you’re pushing YOUR BELIFS of biblical interpretation onto historical context

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Anonymous #3 13w

12 is right. you aren’t arguing in good faith. hate has filled your heart and i pray to God that your heart softens one day. i’ll keep you in my prayers

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Anonymous #7 13w

Hate that people can think abortion is morally sound. I don’t hate anyone here, although I hate what they think is okay. Not sure how you are Christian yet support abortion. Which is murder

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Anonymous OP 13w

Fr, we out here with popcorn and marshmallows watching the world fall apart. But it’s aight. Back at it like a crack addict, jokes so nice gotta say it twice.

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Anonymous #3 13w

abortion was never mentioned in the bible. it was widely known and practiced back then, actually! the methods are different, but it was still abortion. the closest thing we have to abortion is exodus 21:22-25, which states that if a person were to injure a pregnant woman to the point of miscarriage but is otherwise unharmed, the person responsible is to be fined. but, if the woman IS harmed, then the perpetrator is to be harmed what would be deemed as equal. an eye for an eye situation

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Anonymous #6 13w

this comment is poetry bro

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Anonymous #7 13w

Are you Christian?

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Anonymous #3 13w

You have no real argument lol

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Anonymous #3 13w

Ignoring multiple people for hours on end because we offended you lol

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Anonymous #12 13w

still nothing to reply to what i said

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Anonymous #12 13w

Oh my gosh. The narcissism to think I should cater to a stranger online over an argument that they clearly aren’t going to be receptive to is upset I haven’t responded to them. Even better, when I have matters to tend to. Here is some advice - get off yik yak and do something productive

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Anonymous #11 13w

… ngl I ain’t reading all that has transpired… but I think these solutions are still applicable for you if you’re that concerned…

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Anonymous #11 13w

Oh damn he hopped to the other comment chain that’s crazy work

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Anonymous #3 13w

i am, which is why it deeply upsets me that you use the Lord’s name for the vain reason of pushing your anti-abortion agenda through Him. i will pray tonight that God forgives you and that you’ll see past your ignorance one day

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Anonymous #7 13w

Amazing, let’s take this to dms. The Lord is anti murder, which means abortion. Why do you think king Herod wanted to find the Messiah’s parents? I’ll tell you, to kill the kid, Jesus, before being born, to prevent the Messiahs work from taking place

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Anonymous #3 13w

i just dmed them about scripture and they know it in and out. you're about to get your shit rocked i promise

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Anonymous #9 13w

I know it pretty well too, the overwhelming majority of Christians support abortion to be murder. Catholic and Orthodox for example. You aren’t tough. Nor could your claim be any less intimidating considering you don’t even adhere to the Bible

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Anonymous #9 13w

Better yet if you read the Bible you can see how God feels about children that aren’t born, that being intentional made and with a purpose, and to rip that away, abortion, literally ripping away at that, is murder

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Anonymous #3 13w

well, i'm not the least bit intimidated by any of your claims either, as you seem to blindly follow mainstream church teachings and think the bible is objective

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Anonymous #3 13w

The narcissism to ask a question and watch you avoid answering it lol

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Anonymous #9 13w

well folks, it ended with me getting blocked because he doesn’t see me as a real catholic bc i don’t agree with the church’s “core value” of being anti-abortion :p

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Anonymous #7 13w

not a core value btw

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Aight, that statement there was a little fucked up.

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Anonymous #6 13w

yeah u right

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Anonymous #7 13w

he blocked you bc you know more about the bible than him and you were shaking his house on the sand. as a biblically literate girl, i love to see your comments <3

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Anonymous #10 13w

Nope, I asked them to condemn evil like belittlement, which Ephesians 5:11 says. And that didn’t happen. Christians should condemn evil as it’s a teaching

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Anonymous #3 13w

who's to say what evil is

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Anonymous #9 13w

Belittlement is evil

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Anonymous #10 13w

Also I asked them to keep the matter private yet I see that didn’t mean anything

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Anonymous #3 13w

and who's belittling who?

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Anonymous #9 13w

You

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Anonymous #3 13w

and yet this whole discussion started by you calling me foolish and saying that my choice to bodily autonomy is evil and abhorrent

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Anonymous #3 13w

using logic to explain the flaws in your “argument” on why abortion is wrong isn’t belittlement i hate to break it to you

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Anonymous #3 13w

Cry more, maybe that’ll help!

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Anonymous #12 13w

i got blocked too lollll

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Anonymous #9 13w

blocking everyone bc they know they cant win

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Anonymous OP 13w

Not about winning but showing people the truth

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Anonymous #3 13w

but you’re not showing people the truth. It seems you’re only interested in calling me a murderer and saying that abortion is wrong with no real logical evidence to back up your claim.

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Anonymous OP 13w

He blocked me too lol. Tell him I said keep crying please

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Anonymous #12 13w

yeah he was up in my dms saying i’ll have blood on my hands lmao

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Anonymous OP 13w

HAHAA HES SO SENSITIVE LMAOOO

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Anonymous OP 13w

that’s actually hilarious

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Anonymous #12 13w

ikr

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Anonymous #7 13w

you are 100% right i’m a biochem major and used to be a paramedic lol

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Anonymous OP 13w

I love how you can tell that so genuinely, he’s just not equipped for these kinds of conversations that test his logic

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Anonymous #12 13w

no literally some people just struggle with critical thinking and empathy and this dude is delicately one of them

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Anonymous #3 13w

i hate to break it to you buddy but you’re making christians look like shit people. be like the christian wives of pagan men paul talked to and try to win people over with gentleness, submission, and quiet righteousness, not with bludgeoning people over the head with your beliefs and condemning people.

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Anonymous OP 13w

have they shut up yet i can’t tell

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Anonymous OP 13w

but like this convo has been going for DAYS he can’t give it a rest

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Anonymous #2 13w

no literally. i’ve been not busy so ive just been enjoying the entertainment and i think they may have finally shut up lol

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Anonymous OP 13w

He’s still DM’ing me. I made one last reply to him but holy fuck he’s actually illiterate

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Anonymous OP 13w

so they’re saying they’re pregnant??? and saying this shit to you like they’re holier than thou??

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Anonymous #2 13w

yeah idfk what they’re on about

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Anonymous OP 13w

Do you feel better posting this here? Just because you get support in this forum doesn’t make you right? Why seek the validation of people you don’t even know?

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Anonymous OP 13w

still 😭😭 omfg

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Anonymous OP 13w

jesus christ. im glad you haven’t blocked them i love the updates

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Anonymous #2 13w

it’s entertaining idgaf what some stranger says about me on the internet. i’m enjoying this dudes incoherent crashout

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Anonymous #10 13w

Never should abortion be normalized, it’s that simple

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Anonymous #3 13w

i believe in sex education through and through. these things should be talked about

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Anonymous OP 13w

WHAT’S HE SAYING

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Anonymous #12 13w

he said abortion should never be normalized

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Anonymous OP 13w

his delusions shouldn’t either but his belief in an unproven god seems to be pretty normal GOD HE’S SO DUMB

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Anonymous #12 13w

He dmed me saying i was “running from my consequences” and that “if i had any integrity i would keep the fetus. Bro this isn’t me hiding a broken base im not carrying a child for 9 months. Im not putting my body through that and not only that but im a competitive athlete

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Anonymous OP 13w

*vase*

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Anonymous OP 13w

“raise a kid, spend thousands of dollars, and put your life on hold because yours offending me with this buzzword that my church said was bad”

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Anonymous #12 13w

its actually insane

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Anonymous OP 13w

his entire belief system is insane and like dm’ing you ?? like he couldn’t say it publicly cause he kept getting caught with massive flaws in his logic

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Anonymous #12 13w

no fr mans just told me morals are objective

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Anonymous OP 13w

The guy who defends slavery in the bible is saying you’re immoral lmao

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Anonymous #12 13w

NO LITERALLY. i keep trying to get him to stop talking im like its my decision it’s okay

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Anonymous OP 13w

Is he actively trying to convince you

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Anonymous #3 13w

dm me if you want to go bible for bible, but i doubt you will seeing your replies here are unconcerned with anything put pushing your own agenda

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Anonymous #10 13w

If your Christian I will, if not I’m alright

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Anonymous #3 13w

Christian Knowledge war before GTA 6, how bout yall just kill me

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Anonymous #13 12w

#3 is still dming me.

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Anonymous OP 12w

STILL??? sweet moses 😭 the guy is committed, i’ll give him that, but man this guy is wrong

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Anonymous OP 12w

rent free

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