Anonymous #1 5w

but christianity specifically

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Anonymous OP 5w

i agree everything is, but christians use god and the bible as an excuse for everything left right up down and center

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Anonymous OP 5w

There’s no “specific cop-out”. If your worldview is one where reality has no innate morals or values any of the two you operate with in the daily is a cop-out, which is impossible not to do, therefore it is redundant. Are you talking about ignoring reality or are you talking about ignoring the consequences of actions?

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Anonymous OP 5w

There’s a difference between a Christian using their Bible to “justify” an action even though it is not justified in their own text versus them operating based on their moral system and you disagreeing with the moral system itself.

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Anonymous #1 5w

i’m talking about things like christians use their religion as an excuse to be homophobic, because “god says it’s a sin”

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Anonymous #1 5w

they justify holding hateful ideologies, because the bible says so apparently. just because it can be justified with religion does not make it correct

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Anonymous OP 5w

Are you upset that in their worldview that acting on it is a sin or that they try to excuse the heir behavior towards people who identify as homosexual with their moral system.

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Anonymous #1 5w

both. neither are correct because it’s used to justify something that is harmful

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Anonymous OP 5w

What makes them wrong and you right?

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Anonymous #1 5w

because justifying harmful ideologies with religion is wrong? using religion as an excuse to be homophobic is wrong?

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Anonymous OP 5w

i’m in the right because i don’t use religion as an excuse, like many do. religion is a cop out

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Anonymous OP 5w

How do you justify that an ideology is objectively wrong, or that parts of an ideology are harmful? Treating homosexuals poorly is one thing, holding a moral disagreement and being respectful about it is another.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I would understand your anger for hypocrites. It seems your issue, at least to me, is that your moral values fundamentally disagree with theirs. Is this correct?

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Anonymous #1 5w

i’m here saying it’s a cop out, an excuse to hold whatever harmful ideologies you want because “the bible says so” and not critically thinking about who those harmful beliefs affect, which is wrong

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Anonymous #1 5w

then sure, christianity is fundamentally and morally wrong

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Anonymous OP 5w

If I asked you “why” for your moral system it would eventually lead to self-justification or circular reasoning where Christians would end up at God. When you say it has an “affect” on people, what do you mean?

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Anonymous #1 5w

homophobia has a negative affect on queer people

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Anonymous OP 5w

source: i’m queer and have experienced homophobia from religious people

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Anonymous OP 5w

Can you share, if you’re comfortable, what happened?

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Anonymous #1 5w

i don’t see how that’s relevant here

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Anonymous OP 5w

You don’t have to share, but it certainly leaves out details on how you came to be as you are today. I think that religious trauma stems from the actions and behaviors of people that negatively affect you. If you’ve been treated poorly, such as insulted and harassed. Is it safe to assume that your moral values that say Christianity is fundamentally wrong are related in some way to your trauma? I think it can manifest itself in your life that way.

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Anonymous #1 5w

just common sense and my ability to critically think about the consequences of my actions and beliefs, which came from things i experienced at the hands of the religious. that make sense?

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Anonymous #1 5w

But if you truly, solely, simply live in a moral system innately where Christianity is fundamentally wrong (or aspects of it), you’re asking someone to change your fundamental principles, which is something only experience can be effective at, if and only if you are willing to. Otherwise, trying to do so with words is like telling an ant to move a mountain.

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Anonymous OP 5w

And you measure those “consequences and actions” using your moral system, the same way a Christian will. If you’ve been physically hurt, or you’ve experienced people throwing slurs and insults at you, it’s understandable to feel the way you do, but that is contradictory to what I believe the doctrine of Christ to be. People are often neglectful about how they say things and how they treat circumstances, and I think that you may be a victim of people’s very poor decisions on how to love you.

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Anonymous #1 5w

Maybe even they didn’t think about loving you, and they hurt you. If you are coming to this conclusion due to something like that happening to you, I want you to know that not everyone is like that, and those people did something harmful and hypocritical.

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Anonymous #1 5w

that makes sense but until the majority of religious people i interact with aren’t so harmful and hypocritical is the day ill change my general opinion on it

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Anonymous #2 5w

exactly.

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Anonymous #1 5w

preciate it tho

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Anonymous OP 5w

Who actually does this lmao

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Anonymous azola 5w

read my comments with the other commenters and it says of what. people use it as an excuse to be a shitty person

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Anonymous azola 5w

believe it or not there are people that yes, actually do that

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Anonymous OP 5w

People use anything as an excuse to be a “shitty person” ironically the Bible talks about how all people are “shitty” and that term is subjective.

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