
As someone who absolutely doesn’t support trump, but has family that kind of blindly follow him because they aren’t super informed: this statement isn’t fair to people like my family. I know for a fact that if they were more informed on it, which I try to help with, they’d be condemning him without question. I hate posts like these.
As someone who is a left leaning independent this shit is ridiculous and once you realize trump as a shit human has little to nothing to do with his policies then you’ll mature and be able to have the grown up conversations. And before it gets said I’m sure he is in the Epstein files and I’m sure he’s going to be tried for it after his presidency because that’s how it works all the complaining in the world and ragebait on this stupid app won’t change that so please for everyone’s sake STOP
“Theres a lot more of your guys in there” Let me preface this by saying that I genuinely believe you want what’s best for this country, so I can’t be mad at you. But they are not “our guys”. They are politicians. This is not a sport where you choose a team and stick with it; this has real consequences for real people. I don’t care what party or what political affiliation they have, trials for ALL of them
And by little to nothing to do I mean his characteristics and what he does as a human hardly can interfere with his policies. The house and senate still have powers and if it’s something crazy they will veto it. As for emergency powers if he does something that no one agrees with he will be impeached on the spot.
As sad as it is morality has nothing to do with fact based politics. And before you say that we are a democracy if you really look at it it’s a Federalized Constitutional Republic. So give up and stop spending every waking moment thinking the big bad orange man and his “cult of followers” is gonna bust down your door, hold you at gunpoint, and do disgusting things to you. If you really think that way I encourage YOU to find humanity because normal people do not think that way about other humans.
what are you even saying 😭😭😭 it sounds like you got stuck in 2020, are you forgetting trump was impeached THREE TIMES has multiple alligations against him and IS STILL THE PRESIDENT?? you need to open your eyes if you think people in power are going to hold him accountable for his actions. they are the same as him, on every side. also, “i’m sure he was in the epstein files” he IS IN THEM!!!! 50,000 TIMES!!! stop hiding under a goddamn rock good lord
You’re responding to a position I’m not taking. I’ve never said Trump is innocent, moral, or that institutions always work perfectly. What I have said is that impeachment, allegations, and being mentioned in documents are not the same thing as criminal convictions, and none of those justify assigning criminal or moral guilt to millions of voters.
I’m not denying that enforcement actions exist, of course they do. What I’m pushing back on is the way this is being framed as random violence against “our people.” Immigration enforcement targets illegal immigration, not legal residents, citizens, or people “just existing.” Legal immigrants are not who ICE is after.
You can argue whether enforcement should be stricter or looser, that’s a policy debate. But treating enforcement of immigration law as indiscriminate violence against communities isn’t accurate, and it’s exactly how emotion replaces precision. That’s the point I’m making, and I’m not going in circles past that.
what i’m hearing is that when you’re presented with literal proof that someone, so many people, committed vicious acts not only to adults but to children too, they don’t deserve criminal convictions and if someone, knowing they committed these vicious acts, continues to voice their support for those people, they are not supporting the actions of those people???
What I’m pushing back on is the idea that support for a political platform automatically equals endorsement of every alleged or proven crime associated with people in power. Supporting policies is not the same thing as supporting crimes, and disagreement with collective guilt isn’t indifference to victims.
I actually agree that we shouldn’t blame the voters because i think the majority are the victims of right wing propaganda but i suggest that you look into the stories being shared about people being attacked by ICE who did not deserve it. Legal residents have been detained for months & ICE is disobeying court orders. Fox 9 just recently shared the story of a woman who was dragged out of her car by ICE for no reason & I have heard multiple stories just like that
If I say "maga" and you feel called out, you're apart of maga. Simple. If you feel a pedo is the better option I have some news for you. Lacking morality and "not having a different Republican option" is not an excusable reason to vote for a pedophile. Lastly, my english section is reading "The Death of Democracy" and there are so many similarities between Trump and Hitler and their supporters. I don't expect y'all to go "this guy is morally corrupt let's not let him run a country," because-
so.. why aren't they more informed? are they being willfully ignorant? because there really isn't much excuse for not being more informed. like?? every piece of evidence and info is right at their fingertips if they have a phone or tv. imo unless they're older and have no need for the type of stress that's going on in the world rn (ie. my own grandma who has dementia) they should be more informed. "i know for a fact" but do you?
I just saw that story. Her vehicle was registered in the name of her illegal immigrant boyfriend. she refused to give her License to the cops when she was pulled over (which is not an option, when you get pulled over you MUST present your license, regardless of the officer), and so they detained her in the backseat of the cruiser, (for just under 10 minutes) while they figured out what the deal was. 90 percent of these cases stem from non-compliance/impedance.
Dude, someone is allowed to support the ideals of MAGA without approving of the idiots in charge. The way you talk makes YOU seem like the most prejudiced, bigoted person out there. Like, heaven forbid the people who disagree with you might ALSO disagree with their leadership. We’re not like leftists in the little leftist cult, where we can only say and do what aligns strictly with the degenerates in the left. Theres more left in the files anyway, you molester.
once again, thats YOUR prerogative. Im all for the policies of maga, but you better believe i dont support chomos. Moreover, maybe you do. You know who else appeared in the files? Clintons, Obama, and Biden. So unless you think it’s fair that i pin you with literal child traffickers and molesters too, i suggest opening your mind a bit to the possibility that people can approve or disapprove of certain things. The left has the biggest hivemind anyway, you all say the same shit or you get rejected
i get you. i know people who voted for him and they aren’t horrible people. theyre just caught up in misinformation and conspiracy theories or are apolitical single issue voters who don’t pay attention to politics. some of the people who voted for him are genuinely racist & not great people but not all
i find it really funny that you keep avoiding a question about being a pedophile because op didn’t answer your original hypothetical question you asked that you weren’t even looking for an answer for until being called out that you’re avoiding the question… that tells me you are in fact a pedophile, anyone accused of that who wasn’t would immediately say they aren’t
what’s boggling my mind with your replies is the fact that literally no one said that only trump should get punished for being in the epstein files.. just because someone points out one person does not automatically mean we believe everyone else mentioned shouldn’t get punished, this post was just about trump in the first place… are you stupid? we all think everyone in the files regardless of their political party should be punished…
i fear you’re the one that needs to read with both eyes, please point out the exact quote where someone said that everyone else in the epstein files should be left off and only trump should be punished. you are constantly bringing up arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, and that shows me that you are a huge part of the problem and exactly who we are talking about
please tell me where i and others have said people should be on the epstein files. we are literally saying that the PRESIDENT of the country is on it 50,000 times therefore he shouldn’t be president. everyone else mentioned in there deserves to be punished and we are all in agreement with that. you just can’t comprehend that you are protecting
No one should be on the list. It shouldn't exist. The whataboutism to deflect is ridiculously embarrassing. That being said he is the president of United States. He has control over every part of that list, charges being filed, and actions being taken. The guy running the country is complicate in the largest sex trafficking organizations and you expect Americans to focus on the actors and singers?
"Like your life revolves around it" we're all watching the most disgusting crime be looked over because the president's involvement. God forbid normal people think sex trafficking should be addressed STARTING with the ones in power. God forid someone wants the victims to get justice. I'm genuinely struggling to fathom why it offends you that people want to hold him, the executive branch of our country, accountable.
I'm gonna help you speed run into some sense. There no, none, not a single legitimate reason to not want to hold a pedophile accountabily. None. There's no reason to be offended on the behalf of a pedophile. There's no reason to protect a pedophile. So fuck whatever you're talking about, they all need to be held accountable.
You're tryna give reasoning to why someone else is offended on the behalf of a pedophile. Idc about your tinfoil hat opinion on anger and intention. These people violated minors,people are going to be angry. So instead of deflecting or rambling please save it. I was addressing #29.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” -Leo Tolstoy
people like you irk me so bad, you’re basically playing the devils advocate in a conversation that was about a completely separate thing and using big words and quotes to confuse people and prove that you are smart. you are not above people, and the “meaning of life” is completely subjective and irrelevant in this conversation. if we’re on the “same side” like you say, why even reply to the other person in the first place?
“i just simply see that you have a closed mind” you are deliberately using confusing wording and then acting holier than thou when people are confused on your wording 😭 how can you simply see i have a closed mind when you are adding something into a conversation that wasn’t even apart of it in the first place… like you literally aren’t making any sense
a fetus is not a baby by definition also this stance is so funny to me. most people support a right to abortion. most people condemn pedophilia and rape. so when somebody says "you support the party of pedo rapist traffickers" and your response is "well you support family planning and bodily autonomy!" it just cracks me up. i get that from your backwards, backwater ass opinion that you think these are similarly bad but not to sane and decent people 😂
i mean if you want to look at it like that, you could say that you don’t have respect for the human condition bc you don’t empathize with someone feeling the need to block someone without it being an “enforcement of will”. Not trying to argue with you but just saying. Humans r complicated