Anonymous #1 5d

don’t do this if you’re not gay or queer. we hate it when a bunch of straight people invade our spaces and bring their problems along with them. it usually starts by a lot of cis straight women going to gay bars and then straight men following after them. both end up being less safe for the intended audience of the bar than the normal patrons and eventually ends up in the same situation. it’s like gentrification but for gay bars

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Anonymous #2 5d

I suppose but don’t you think the responsibility is on the bar to provide a safe environment for their patrons? Like I also get that that would be really annoying but also as long as you’re going there to have fun and bring good vibes, it shouldn’t be a problem

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Anonymous #1 5d

how do you expect a bar to police every interaction between every member of the bar. in that case just make straight bars do that. if you can understand the need for safe places for women you surely undertand the need for safe places for gay and trans people wnd that even well intentioned outsiders can put a strain on that environment (for example i’m a trans woman, most cis women are perfectly pleasant to be around but i still have to be more aware of my transness and can’t cut loose like i can

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Anonymous #1 5d

in primarily trans or queer spaces). then not to mention bringing a bunch of cis straight women into a gay bar often creates more serious problems, actively hostility towards sapphic women trying to flirt with them, fetishization of gay men and their relationships, or bringing in straight men who are not safe for queer people to be around and who will cause problems, or even just attracting in more straight men who know there are straight women now available at these locations that were previous

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Anonymous #1 5d

previously less interesting of a location for straight men to go to. obviously not every straight man is evil but men who are explicitly seeking out women trying to get away from them at a gay bar is an excellent way to filter for only the absolutely worst of the worst bottom of the barrel kind of men

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Anonymous #1 5d

i also want to say its not like you can never go to a gay or queer space or event as a cis straight person but rather you should do that going with queer people at their invitation because that helps us keep those spaces safe and regulated. going to gay bars with a big group of your cis straight friends is disrespectful and violates that communities ability to self regulate who’s in it and keep themselves and their community members safe.

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