We have the same take?

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Anonymous #5 16w

Cuz someone aren’t smart enough to look beyond the labels they put on themselves

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Anonymous #3 16w

Then why are famous pianists mostly men? Classical music contains the most complex and detailed emotions.

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Anonymous #7 16w

Lowkey an L that modern day society has to turn literally everything into archetypes or stereotypes

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Anonymous #8 16w

Zeppelin, Metallica, OutKast, Beach Boys, Dr Dre, Tupac, Biggie, Elton John, Bowie, Sabbath/Ozzie, Foo Fighters, Van Halen, Guns n Roses, Bob Marley, Eagles, Oasis, The Strokes, Tame Impala, Green Day, the Cure, Steely Dan, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Hall and Oates, Simon and Garfunkel, Slipknot, Snoop, Jay Z

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Anonymous #8 16w

I’m by no means discrediting the work of women artists, and I do think it was more difficult for them to make careers both then and now, but I’m not sure that it’s even a close argument.

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Anonymous #8 16w

This post is straight up stupid, waste of time listing all that

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Anonymous #6 16w

Yeah I just had a quick fixation

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Anonymous #5 16w

Alternate perspective: OP is making a half-sarcastic post rooted in truth. Is speaking up for women in the industry constantly being held to higher standards and given less credit "needlessly dividing gender," or is it a critique on the current existing unspoken divide in gender in the music industry?

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Anonymous #6 16w

Classical music was at the same time a woman had a MUCH harder time getting recognized for the arts than a man because of systemic sexism.

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Anonymous #10 16w

Honestly, I saw it that way too, 10.

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Anonymous #1 16w

exception to every rule

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Anonymous #1 16w

See how there's only 1 Michael Jackson?

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Anonymous #8 16w

michael jackson is the only one on there

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Anonymous #3 16w

people are always so ignorant to how much women had to fight for

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Anonymous OP 16w

MJ. Eminem. Linkin Park. Nirvana. The Beetles. Tom Petty. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. Phil Collins. Stevie Wonder. Ray Charles. Sinatra. Dean Martin. Prince. Bob Dylan. Freddie Mercury. Sting. Bono. Johnny Cash. Willie Nelson. Bob Marley. Come on. And that’s just a taste of the truly great male artists and bands. There’s like a handful of women that come close to this level of talent. Like Patti Lebel, Aretha Franklin, Whitney, and a handful of others.

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Anonymous OP 16w

You’re being very ignorant. Music has literally kept people from taking their lives (genuinely a thing) and it’s odd that you’re trying to divide it through gender. It’s baffling to me you’re post has this many upvotes and you’re keeping up the ignorance in the comments😭😭 and I listen to more female artists and I still think you’re weird

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Anonymous #7 16w

Because people like this generally become the very thing they despise. She hates someone or some group that did something that radicalized her into being anti men and she’s not adult or intelligent or moral enough to be able to stand against that without becoming exactly like them.

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Anonymous #20 16w

Holy projection, you people are fucking crazy

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Anonymous #7 16w

And this is coming from someone whose personal favorite artists include Alannis Morisette, Taja Seville, and Michelle branch. I do think there are more great artists though, but i also think it’s more so because the proliferation of opportunity for female artists has directly coincided with the tightening disease of 1%er corporate control and the dominance of industry plants.

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Anonymous #10 16w

My favorite artist is Tate McRae☠️ doesn’t make this post any less ignorant or weird

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Anonymous #17 16w

Holy ragebait

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Anonymous #21 16w

Women weren't allowed to have professional classical music careers back then...

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Anonymous #10 16w

Okay? Men still did all those things so you can’t say women make better music than men, because look at the record. Also, most major producers and songwriters are men, so even ladies like Sabrina Carpenter and Amy Winehouse have to at least partially credit men for their success. Amy Winehouse in particular worked heavily with Mark Ronson. Britney Spears had most of her songs written by Max Martin, who is a GOD-tier producer with more #1 songs than 3/4 of the Beatles

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Anonymous #18 16w

Name a pop music lady and I’ll tell you which of her songs were written and produced by a man. Katy Perry, Britney Spears, Kesha, Sabrina Carpenter, Adele, Amy Winehouse, etc.

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Anonymous #3 16w

So? The best ones were all still men. If anyone was as talented as Mozart or Bach, no matter what sex, they’d be famous.

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Anonymous #6 16w

Most producers and songwriters are men too

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Anonymous #8 16w

You missed a whole lot of baroque and classical composers as well. Verdi, Wagner, Puccini, Monteverdi, Vivaldi?

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Anonymous #5 16w

Could make equally good music? Maybe. Do make? Noooooooo. Sorry ladies, but even your best songs were written and produced by men.

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Anonymous #21 16w

Yeah I would say the versatility is unmatched, left out a good amount of modern bands/artists as well

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Anonymous #21 16w

See also: Freddie Mercury, David Bowie, every member of Van Halen, Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler, Avicii, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joseph Haydn, Pachelbel, Philip Glass, Henry Purcell, Schoenberg, Francis Scott Key (technically only a poet, they put his words to the music of an old Biblical hymn), Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle (author of La Marseillaise, the French national anthem), and 95% of all other current national anthems

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Anonymous #12 16w

You should expand your horizons to the Baroque and Classical periods

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Anonymous #17 16w

Bro doesn’t like music, period

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Anonymous #8 16w

True but you GOTTA put my boy Monteverdi on there, bro actually invented the orchestra. No one beats that

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Anonymous #10 16w

Women pop stars actually get way more credit than they deserve. Have you even heard of Max Martin? He’s the producer and songwriter who has literally made the careers of dozens of artists. He made the most successful song of all time, that being Blinding Lights, but most plebs know nothing about him, even though he has more #1 hits than every other person except Paul McCartney. He’s a more popular musician than 3/4 of the Beatles and every other human in history.

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Anonymous #21 16w

Producers and songwriters do most of the work and get almost no credit. Producer tags may be annoying but goddamn are they necessary, because almost none of y’all have heard of them or give them any credit.

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Anonymous melodymaker 16w

What percent of Taylor’s songs were written or produced by men? At least 70% percent were co-written, usually with a man, and almost all were produced by men. Hate to burst your bubble, but she’s not nearly as “self-made” as she claims

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Anonymous #7 16w

Agreed, #7. I don’t understand why dividing music like this makes sense, probably just for clicks. Both men and women can do well… The audacity to have this take where maybe 75% of successful music artists are men is crazy, too. No, men aren’t “better”, but with music being a male-dominated industry it’s kinda a whacky take

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Anonymous #6 16w

Also you’re misusing the term “classical” but there’s not really a better word for it. Classical just refers to a period, but I assume you meant to include Vivaldi and Monteverdi, who are from the Baroque period.

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Anonymous #7 16w

If you listen to all of music throughout human history, you’ll see that men have made at least 90% of the contributions. There is clearly a winner there.

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Anonymous #3 16w

You and #6 are both using “classical” wrong. “Western classical music” is technically more correct because it includes everything as far back as the 800s CE, but saying just “classical” refers to a short 70-year period from 1750 to 1820.

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Anonymous #21 16w

I still don’t like the term “Western classical music” to describe that, but it’s better than “art music” because all music is art, even that shitty Sexyy Red cover of Beat It.

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Anonymous #7 16w

Your favorite artist being Tate McRae actually explains a lot 💀

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Anonymous #10 16w

Lmao i think you’re just a judgmental person tbh

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Anonymous #21 16w

why? genuinely asking. I used to listen to those but they don’t click with me in the same way as more modern genres, but if you mean it as a recc then ig that makes more sense

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Anonymous #21 16w

Trust. I listen to a wise variety tbh. I’m just saying the ones I’ll play on the daily are typically those. I play classical if I need to lock in on assignments or have a mini crashout in my dorm 💀

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Anonymous #12 16w

Wide*

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Anonymous #21 16w

This is just untrue. Not only did women need to work twice as hard for an ounce of recognition, but a woman playing music would have been frowned upon as the arts were seen as exclusively masculine

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Anonymous #3 16w

There were plenty of people who weren’t as talented as Mozart who became famous. Women just needed to be more talented than them. They were not.

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Anonymous #21 16w

this is incredibly tone deaf and ignorant considering the barriers to entry in that industry that women encountered simply for being women

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Anonymous #21 16w

Bro is just denying the existence of sexism that’s crazy

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Anonymous #21 16w

this is literally not true. women in literature literally had to put a MANS name on their book to actually get their writing out there.

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Anonymous #1 16w

You must be right because MJ admitted several times to sleeping with 8 year olds and people excuse it because they like his music that much😭

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Source: Michael Jackson himself

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Anonymous #26 16w

Yeah even as a person who believed he did it and who thinks one of his songs is the worst one ever written (The Way You Make Me Feel), he still made Thriller.

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Anonymous #8 16w

Pulling composers isn’t really fair bc women weren’t allowed to make music at the time; Mozart had an older sister that was equally as talented but she got sick and was married off

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Anonymous #28 16w

Alright then just ignore those 4 i said and look at the other 35

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Anonymous #28 16w

She was talented but not as talented as Mozart. She had similar technical skill perhaps at the time, but she had none of his flair or genius for improvisation. There are letters from her to him asking him to compose and send her cadenzas so she could look like she was improvising and impress. Doesn’t diminish her, to be even compared shows she was highly talented. But unlikely to be the genius he was, but then who was?

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