Anonymous #1 4w

Ok not sure why i brought up plants, i guess technically they have sex characteristics but my point still stands with animals

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Anonymous #1 4w

The definitions of man and woman are still to identify sex. Definition of woman is “ a female human”. That’s not me being mean or not inclusive, that’s literally what the word means.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Half correct. "Woman" is used to emphasize humanity and identity, whereas "female" emphasizes biology (sex). That's like a major reason why we use "man/woman" at all.

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Anonymous #3 4w

But that’s the thing, why are male and female even used to describe gender when they are sexes?

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Anonymous OP 4w

None of it's really objective and the lines definitely are blurred. It would be nice if everyone agreed that sex and gender are separate and that male/female is sex and man/woman is gender, but the reality is there are many different perspectives out there on that. I say let people call themselves whatever they see fit. I'm not gonna be the one to tell them they're something else when I can't see into their head.

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Anonymous #1 4w

No I’m fully correct. If “man” and “woman” weren’t used to identify sex then we would just use “human”. That’s the major reason we use man/woman at all.

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Anonymous #5 4w

No, you're half correct because your definition is incomplete. We use "man and woman" to refer to adult humans rather than "male and female", and we use terms to differentiate that we are talking about humans because humans have social identities, not just sex.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying. You can describe me as a human, a female, an adult (definition: a fully grown, mature human [or organism]) or more specifically as a woman (adult human female). The only reason to describe me as a woman (adult human female) is if you want to identify my sex and age. Otherwise you could use adult, human, or person. None of which identify sex. Feelings don’t change facts or definitions. Woman literally means female. Not male.

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Anonymous #1 4w

If it was about human identity then we would just use “person” or “human”. You can substitute human or person for woman without changing the meaning of a sentence. You CANNOT change woman into man and maintain the same meaning. Why? Because each word describes a human of a different sex.

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Anonymous #5 4w

You are clearly not being entirely objective and unbiased.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I feel like you admitting that I’m right makes you feel like you’re homophobic or transphobic or something but it’s not either of those things. Definitions are definitions and words have meaning. If you feel like there’s not a word to describe gender without using sex then make up a new word. Don’t be upset that others point out that you’re incorrect.

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Anonymous #5 4w

You're trying to make it look like you've proven your opinion logically indisputable when you've actually made so many leaps

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Anonymous #5 4w

Your definition is literally just incomplete though. Man and woman are literally used to differentiate social identity aka gender.

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Anonymous #5 4w

We don't use woman and female (as nouns) interchangeably because they have different contexts. For example "the woman won the award" vs "the female won the award" sound very different, because "woman" implies a social aspect in addition to biological.

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Anonymous #3 4w

You’re the one being unobjective and biased. You’re literally arguing against the definition and meaning of a word. Definitions are important. They’re how we communicate. That way if I say “do you see that giant tree?” You know what to look for. Not the small tree or average size trees, but the clearly larger than average one. Tbh this entire debate is ridiculous. If words have no meaning then go tell a random woman on the street that she’s “a fat ugly slag”. Oh wait, you wouldn’t. Why?🧐😂

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Anonymous #1 4w

I do use male and female interchangeably though. Tbh a lot less since a certain group in the feminist community has said that it’s sexist to refer to a woman as a female, but I do use them interchangeably. “Being the only female in a room full of males does make me a little uncomfortable” is something I’ve said & it is vernacularly interchangeable with using men or women in that same sentence.

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Anonymous #1 4w

They’re used to identify sex. That’s why the definition uses the sex and not “gender”.

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Anonymous #1 4w

But at this point you and #3 both seem to be unable to comprehend this simple logic so ok lol. There’s a famous saying about arguing with fools, so I’m not going back & forth with you guys over facts.✌️

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Anonymous #5 4w

Your logic literally hinges on "my definition is right" because you read a 3 word dictionary definition. You clearly don't care to build a deeper understanding of the words you're using and how use of the words female/woman can frame your sentences differently.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Or if it’s a child, you’d say “the girl won the award”. Girl/boy are used to describe child males and females, the same way women/men are used to describe adult males and females. “If you feel like there’s not a word to describe gender without using sex then make up a new word”~ #5 I couldn’t have said it better myself

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Anonymous #4 4w

"The girl won the award" is different from "The female won the award" because "girl/woman" implies a social aspect and are inherently inseparable from it. You can separate the social aspect from "female" though. So deductively, woman is used as an emphasis on the social experience of a human female. If I gave you a pink notebook with flowers and fairies on it, you would call it a girl's notebook, not a female's notebook.

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Anonymous #1 4w

You’re enforcing 1950s stereotypes that were forced upon males and females. It’s 2026, boys can and do have pink notebooks with flowers for crying out loud. That’s absolute nonsense. My experience as a woman isn’t made up of flowers and pink. It’s made up of being xx and growing up to be an adult. And no experience of a woman is the same. We’re all different and to be categorizing shit like that STILL in this day and age is unprogressive

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Anonymous #4 4w

For fucks sake i was giving an example.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Can we all just say it together? “Abolish arbitrary sex stereotypes made up in the 19th-20th century from industrial consumerism!”

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Anonymous #4 4w

Acknowledging gender roles and the role they play in our society is not equivalent to forcing people to "do" gender. Woman is a term used to express the "woman" gender and the norms associated with it (pink, Barbies, nurturing, softness, etc.). Gender is a rigidly defined set of norms within a culture. Whether those norms need to be followed is an entirely different topic.

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Anonymous #1 4w

A woman who dislikes all of those things is still a woman. My aunt is gay and doesn’t wear dresses, hates pink, is tough, etc. she’s still a woman and calls herself as such. Why? Because she’s an adult human female, not because she fits your sexist stereotypes. But OK I’m I’ll be quiet again ✌️🤐🤣

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Anonymous #5 4w

I never said she wasnt a woman? "My" sexist stereotypes...I didnt make those stereotypes and i dont think people should have to follow them, you're calling them my stereotypes because you dont want to engage with understanding my argument. Your aunt is a gender non-conforming woman, and to be gender non-conforming you need a gender, a set of social norms to not conform to. Your aunt affirms her gender via doing what makes HER feel like a woman, not what society says she has to do to be a woman

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Anonymous #1 4w

You: Woman is a term used to express the "woman" GENDER AND THE NORMS ASSOCIATED WITH IT (pink, Barbies, nurturing, softness, etc.). It’s not used to express that by anyone other than idiots.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Well yes, society creates things that cater to women that aren't necessarily biologically based, so we have to designate it as "women's [blank]" and not "female's [blank]. Like women's perfume, women's hobbies, girly drinks, women's hats, women's glasses, women's phone cases, women's workshops, etc. What constitutes as a "woman's" thing is inconsistent across cultures, so "woman" is a flexible term whereas "female" is not.

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