Anonymous #3 1w

Yes. Idk why people act like this isn't obvious.

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Anonymous #3 1w

this is exactly what i've been saying!

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Anonymous #1 1w

Obviously that’s not the only reason in most cases, but it certainly doesn’t hurt to go from top 10,000 to top 100 in your respective sport just because you claim to be the opposite gender. Plus it’s grossly unfair to the actual women athletes who work very hard to be great just to have it stolen away by someone who has no business competing against them in the first place.

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Anonymous OP 1w

nobody comes out as trans and goes through HRT and gender counseling and all of the hatred and exclusion that comes with being trans just to fight cis women in sports.

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Anonymous OP 1w

A trans woman on HRT will have no “biological advantage”, it weakens muscles slightly after one-a few months and puts them on par with cis athletes. For those not on hrt, I’ve only ever heard of trans women refusing to compete in women’s leagues because they understand that testosterone does boost muscle growth and would give them an unfair advantage, so their respect for the sport and the women they’d be competing against is too great for them to ever do that.

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Anonymous #11 1w

So why would it be fair for a cis woman with larger than average lung capacity/height/etc to compete but not for a trans woman on HRT?

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Anonymous #12 1w

I knew something was off with this response but I couldn’t place it, thank you

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Anonymous #12 1w

Michael Phelps had like the perfect biology and physiology for his sport, as well as training obviously, and that’s why he was the best in his league. That wasn’t seen as unfair, he was just representative of the best at the time. This would be the same as the cis woman example you gave right? The second one would be unfair because of the normative gap between cis male and cis female abilities, which has more of an effect than the gap between what avg females and >avg females can do

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Anonymous #12 1w

pls lmk if I’m wrong or if I didn’t answer ur question. Idk the answer to solving this obvi, but I think what I said makes sense?

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Anonymous #3 1w

You're leaving out the HRT part. Trans women on feminine HRT experience a reduction of testosterone and other physiological changes that significantly affect their strength and athleticism. So the gap between cis man/woman abilities is irrelevant. I'm not talking about trans people who haven't undergone hormonal changes, that's a whole 'nother talking point and my current argument sufficiently makes my point.

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Anonymous #12 1w

And to reiterate my point: if we took an above avg female and a trans woman such that they had the exact same abilities, there's no reason why one shouldn't be able to compete.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Brother you do NOT want trans men (who are literally on steroids) to compete in woman’s sports, yall would have the exact same issue as before but with an actual advantage and still bitch and moan Just be honest and say you think trans people shouldn’t exist

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Right because “separate but equal” hasn’t been tried before

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Anonymous #12 1w

So you’re saying the last 2 sentences on #11’s comment are wrong? There is no gap or advantage once they undergo HRT? Bc if that’s the case, then I agree with you. For the second comment, I think some would continue to think it’d be unfair if after HRT her baseline abilities would be equal to the cis female athlete, and what about if she continues to have more of an advantage after HRT or hasn’t been on it for long? Would you find reason then for her to not compete against cis female athletes?

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What would be completely fair would be for there to be leagues based on body type regardless of sex. Plenty of cis women are stronger than plenty of cis men, even when it comes to athletes, so making leagues based just in body type would take this into account

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Anonymous #10 1w

Kinda like how boxing is with weight classes

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Anonymous #10 1w

Honestly I could get behind that for certain sports

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Anonymous #15 1w

Can’t afford housing now. It’s ridiculous. It’s all just a distraction from the things that really actually matter

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Anonymous #3 1w

There is still a gap even after or on HRT but that gap significantly lessens to the point that any competitive advantage is mostly null at the time of competing There will be those rare few who retain clear competitive advantages but it’s very few, the ones Fox likes to nitpick 😒

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Anonymous #16 1w

I’ve had these discussions with both a psychiatrist and psychologist about being trans. I’ve done the research. Everyone should be allowed to compete, but to say no advantage exists at all simply isn’t true, even just slightly

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Anonymous #16 1w

That makes sense, thanks for answering

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Anonymous #3 1w

Nope. HRT removes any “biological advantages” and can actually lead to disadvantage. There are so few trans athletes anyway. It’s just hate and disinformation.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Yes as #16 is saying MTF athletes with HRT will generally have a slight natural advantage, but that advantage is ultimately more comparable to "cis woman vs cis woman" instead of "cis man vs cis woman." We can quantify the level of fairness by measuring hormone levels. And thinking about it practically, trans athletes aren't exactly dominating women's sports, so yes #11 is making a deceptive generalization against trans athletes.

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Getting rid of segregated leagues would be best and most fair. Go for body types, heights, weights instead. Plenty of cis women kick ass and are fuckin’ awesome in their sports, but misogyny keeps them from excelling how they could otherwise. Isolating trans athletes wouldn’t do shit but set a precedent that it’s okay to further divide and harm people.

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Anonymous #18 6d

There was actually an ftm boxer competing in the Olympics this last year, and another triathlete, both on team USA. There’s some somewhat well known college athletes too, who all compete successfully in the men’s league of whatever sport they happen to be in

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Anonymous #17 4d

i think its a bit early to say we fully know whether biological advantages remain, due to a relatively small number of studies. with that said newer studies tend to show that there are pretty much zero biological advantages remain (beyond something like height or weight) after hrt has been taken for a sufficient amount of time

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Anonymous #19 4d

didnt mean to reply to you 17 just to the chain

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Anonymous #12 4d

lung capacity tends to be a moot point since it correlates to more body mass to move. height sure but thats a wildly varying category in general. if there is a tall trans woman that is a good center in basketball or whatever thats awesome idrc

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