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Conservatives who are against immigration because it lowers the wages for everyone else don’t actually believe in free market capitalism
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Anonymous 7w

Very few people claim to believe in pure Capitalism. That’s what Libertarians want. Conservatives do support a more capitalist system than liberals do, however.

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Anonymous 7w

Pretty sure it’s the corporations themselves lowering wages anyway

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Anonymous 7w

Empirically and theoretically speaking it doesn’t. Immigration might lower real wages in the short run but in the long run, the supply of physical capital (machines, building, etc.) rises in tandem. Card (1990) shows that the explosive immigrant inflows in the 1980s in Miami had no effects on unemployment and wages.

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Anonymous 6w

I don’t think most people who are anti-immigration are against it bc of wages and capitalism.

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Anonymous 5w

*illegal* immigration. The distinction is important.

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Anonymous 6w

Side-note, 20 years ago a stronger border was the standard, commonplace political view. When tf did this largely turn into "deport all the immigrants no matter what, even if they're a day away from becoming a full citizen" 💀

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Anonymous 7w

Correct, we also are against free market capitalism in slavery, human trafficking, and other 'markets' putting people in working environments/situations that get them stuck at unlivably low wages or other human rights violations

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Choosing to work for lower wages is not human trafficking

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Way to frame it like you’re some paragon of morality. If you were actually against any of that you’d propose/support labor laws and protections for workers. Instead of that you just crank your shit when brown people get harassed in the streets. But idk man keep gaslighting yourself I guess but neither of us are buying it

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 7w

Idk how you got the idea that I dont support labor laws and hate brown people... You do know that large companies try to hire as many illegal immigrants as they can as the easiest work around to labor laws right? (They cant protest illegal wages or working conditions when they cant legally be here)

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

You’re not teaching me anything new. One of the core tenets of conservatism is to be pro-capitalism, pro-business and anti-union. That’s not debatable. If you’re not any of that, then you’re not as conservative as you claim to be. Follow the logic. If an individual tries to “address the labor exploitation of non-white immigrants” while being vehemently against worker’s rights, strongly supporting brutal immigration laws, and being statistically more prone to racism, what does it imply?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 7w

It implies your definition of conservative depends heavily on how conservatives are viewed by liberals as opposed to what most conservatives actually believe on most issues Also a large section of conservatives actually support unions when they are voluntary, and simply oppose being forced to join a union as a condition of being hired I really dont know why you are convinced all conservatives are 'vehemently against workers rights', i suggest touching grass and talking to any conservatives irl

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

My definition is the Wikipedia page on “Conservatism in the United States”

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 7w

Yes as the wikipedias said I am more pro business, pro capitalism, and less pro union than the average liberal I repeat, if you think all or even most conservatives broadly oppose all workers rights/protections, please go touch grass and talk to real IRL human beings, including those with different opinions than you

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

So your perspectives are largely detrimental to worker’s rights/protections and general conservative perspectives are largely congruent with ethno-nationalism. Either you’re not conservative, you’re severely misinformed, or you’re just lying. You haven’t stated anything congruent with valuing protections for migrant workers. Only that you’re conservative, implying that you value deportation over protection. I think you’re full of shit and just shifting the goalposts. Deflecting to “touch grass”

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 7w

Its not deflecting if you actually do need to go touch grass

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Just pack it up atp lil bro you’re done 💀💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 5w

And if law abiding immigrants (or Hispanic citizens, for that matter) have been caught up in this, illegal immigrants are still to blame, due to their sheer volume

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