Anonymous #1 3w

"STEM careers are not going to be replaced by AI" computer programming already is... AI will never be able to replace artists, engravers, etc because those careers hinge on (and price is determined by) originality

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Anonymous #3 3w

yes that is a good point, but also some of these advancements have been extremely harmful to society, such as cars and technology killing the planet that’s essential to sustaining our existence

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Anonymous #3 3w

That's just false. The intellectual move in academia from social Darwinism/racism towards systems-level thinking that started in the 50s-60s absolutely led to societal advancement. So did the reformation. There's many other such examples

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Anonymous #2 3w

Except AI can make art that people would have no idea isn’t original. There’s enough content sourced by AI that can allow it to make art for thousands of years. Both fields are being taken over by AI

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Anonymous #4 3w

I don't think most people would buy a painting to hang up in their house that was generated by AI...people know

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Anonymous #4 3w

Does that mean that those subjects are inferior or does this just mean that AI sucks and that shouldn’t be happening

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Anonymous #2 3w

Computer programming is being “replaced” but AI isn’t perfect, there still needs to be software engineers and developers to double check literally everything, & unfortunately AI already is and will be able to replace artists, ie 3d printing with AI generated content and such, AI generating images, more physically demanding things like engraving or glass blowing or ceramics it’ll be different, but STEM is definitely just on the rise in general because AI will be integrated opposed to taking over

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Anonymous #5 3w

And is AI and the harms caused by it and it taking over the computer science industry and jobs STEM

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Anonymous #1 3w

AI is taking over art by using centuries of real art production, not by actually creating it itself

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Anonymous #5 3w

Duh

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Anonymous #3 3w

if we didn’t have the former to drive changes in thought and culture the latter wouldn’t have all its advancements

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Anonymous #2 3w

it allowed poc to enter the stem field and contribute the betterment of society LOL all of these ‘advancements’ just allowed there to be higher priorities on academia and the sciences rather than calling burning witches at the stake

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Anonymous #3 3w

you only even know that happened because of history education. we need things like history, philosophy, and literature it’s what helps us create structure in society through ethics and law and institutions that organize us to be able to even diffuse and use those advancements

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Anonymous #8 3w

How so?

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Anonymous #9 3w

Same math, angles, welding, applied chemistry, etc. Just used in what society calls hobbies.

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Anonymous #8 3w

I guess I'm still not convinced. Especially on a higher level of education and practice, arts and science diverge in methods and objectives. You could say that STEM can be applied differently to basically every subject, and that sort of defeats the purpose of designating subjects in the first place.

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Anonymous #9 3w

Cosmetology is just a different form of Chemistry. Theatre tech is literally calculating amgles, structure, light levels, sound levels, plus the calculation of audience expectation and metaphor.

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Anonymous #8 3w

Again, you're missing the point that arts and STEM can have similar fundamental classes, like geometry and chemistry, but they completely diverge the higher you go. Not everything with a practical application of math means you're using STEM

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Anonymous #9 3w

Again, theatre arts is just a different style of engineering. Cosmetology is all science. Drawing is mostly maths. Painting, sculpture, pottery are all science and math. When you break it down besides oooh art is just for looking good its literally the same. It just has a "less functional" application. They dont completely diverge, youve just bought into the art is for high society and stem is for trades and working people. Theres a reason people have been pushing STEAM instead of STEM since '16

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Anonymous #8 3w

You are blurring the intentional boundaries that we use to differentiate what is STEM, and what is arts. They diverge a LOT. The things we call STEM are objective and arts are subjective. STEAM is born out of the idea that arts use a little bit of stem and stem uses a little bit of arts. STEAM doesn't acknowledge that science and art have different objectives.

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Anonymous #9 3w

Painting, sculpture, and pottery are not "all science and math." It's SUBJECTIVE and supposed to express or provoke emotion. Just because math is involved doesnt mean it's understood as an applied math. It's apples to oranges.

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Anonymous #9 3w

You could know literally ZERO science and math and still be successful at painting, sculpture, and pottery.

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Anonymous #9 3w

No, you can't. You must use ratios, chemistry, etc. I am not intentionally blurring lines. The only distinctions are creativity, structure (as in lab vs studio), and human expectation (as in artists also have to take other humans and their expectation)

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Anonymous #8 3w

You CAN use ratios, chemistry, etc, but you don't have to because math and science are not necessarily integral to art. Also basic science and math are not stem, i don't know how to not say it in a condescending way but the science and math in traditional stem subjects get wayyy more advanced than what is typically used in art subjects. That's why a distinction is needed

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Anonymous #9 3w

Its not just basic science and maths. Its really clear you've never divulged into art or done any research into it. Whole lotta formulas in math stem from art actually, were created for art.

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Anonymous #8 3w

Created for, but not necessary for. Most artists are not Leonardo Da Vinci. And just because some formulas are based off of art doesnt mean art is an applied math/science. That would be like saying business is STEM because they use formulas to calculate compound interest😭

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Anonymous #9 3w

It is necessary for. Paints, dyes, etc are chemicals that require the same safe handling practices as in chemical labs that PhD holders use. Most scientists are not Neil DeGrasse Tyson. That doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Again, its pretty clear you don't actualy know what advanced arts looks like.

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Anonymous #8 3w

I'm not saying it's irrelevant. You're just giving examples of STEM enabling art, not art being STEM...STEM is foundationally empirical and objective. You're completely misunderstating what makes art art and not STEM. If you're using paints and dyes as example, if the chemistry is as rigorous as you claim, then that's just materials engineering (stem). It's not art until you make it subjective. You're applying science to technique, but not to art itself.

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Anonymous #11 3w

I agree and disagree. Stem furthers society but the arts develop important critical thinking skills and allow people to be creative and are good for mental health. If we only have stem, we’re just gonna have mindless zombies working with no way to make themselves happy and being productive

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Anonymous #3 3w

Actually administrative and humanist efforts have been extremely important to human innovation. Europe didn’t conquer the world after the renaissance because they magically got smarter, they did it because commoners finally had access to knowledge and enough time to think about what they’ve learned

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Anonymous #9 3w

I am giving the examples you say youre looking for. You just wont open your ear to it. art is stem with human expectation injected.

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Anonymous #8 3w

I actually like your argument. #9's point that you can know nothing about math and science and still be a good painter feels especially wrong to me.

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Anonymous #10 3w

Every culture in history has had art. Even ones without math classes. Even ones without basic understand of science.

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Anonymous #9 3w

But math as a broader concept isn't just math classes

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Anonymous #10 3w

Well #8's original comment refers to stem classes, this conversation is about how upper level math and science. Also "broad math" isn't STEM. Every subject uses math, that doesn't make every subject an applied math.

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Anonymous #9 3w

The Greeks made up math to make their art better. The Romans made up chemicl formulas to make concrete that withstands weather.

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Anonymous #8 3w

And how many concrete design classes are our art students today taking?

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Anonymous #9 3w

Me personally 2 minimum per semester. But I know people who have up to 5 per semester.

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