Anonymous #4 2w

lmfao my feelings tbh

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Anonymous #3 2w

Ehhhh I agree with OP that it isn’t a red flag to not have them, but it definitely doesn’t make it a green flag to not have them. The argument for saying your pronouns is, as you said, to be inclusive of trans people, and remove assumption from gender identities. You don’t need to be virtue signaling to genuinely want that. Even if I personally don’t care too much.

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Anonymous #5 2w

It makes sense for a trans or non binary person to have them but if ur clearly presenting as a woman & ur cis it’s unnecessary. Like who was going to call u sir? No one. So who are u including pronouns for? No one, it’s just so you can LOOK inclusive. Assumptions are handy in this scenario 99.9% of the time because trans ppl are like 0.01% of the population. It would be dumb af to ask every single person what their pronouns are. Only those where it’s not obvious need to clarify their gender

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Anonymous #5 2w

Also I’m using you/u in a general sense not literally you ofc. Idk your gender & you said you don’t care I’m just saying in regard to cis ppl that include it.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Well, as I said I don’t mind either way, but again the argument is that you’re NORMALIZING the use of introducing yourself with pronouns. This can be done out of straight up kindness, not just virtue signaling. Also, I understand your point abt trans people being a small portion of the population, but in a way, don’t you think it’s a bit discriminating? Do a bit of thinking on your own there, and you can get back to me. But again to clarify I literally don’t gaf about pronouns in bio

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Anonymous #5 2w

The overall argument is that introducing yourself with pronouns is more inclusive to everyone. Gender and sex aren’t the same, so making assumptions off one’s appearance can be poor practice. Especially when feminine-passing men and masculine-passing women exist outside of transgenderism

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Anonymous #5 2w

It is virtue signaling. I’m black. You can see that I’m black/mixed. Do I need to tell every single person I interact with that I’m black or can I let them assume and if they desire clarification then answer them when they ask? It’s stupid asf to say obvious shit that ppl weren’t wondering tbh. “Hi I’m ___ and I’m black, 5’8, 165lbs and I go by she/her!” Is ridiculous compared to “hi I’m ___ nice to meet you!”

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Anonymous #5 2w

It’s not non-inclusive to not insert yourself into situations that have nothing to do with you. I don’t need to clarify because no one has ever misgendered me. If there’s confusion for others surrounding your gender identity then sure clarify pls, but otherwise you’re virtue signaling. It will never be normal to inform ppl of your gender for most ppl. It’s unnecessary & that’s common sense.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Now go do a bit of thinking on your own time & don’t get back to me. I’m not a fan of over explaining simple shit tbh.

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Anonymous #3 2w

I did a little bit of thinking, and I don’t agree. You listed a ton of physical, visible, and pretty much set in stone characteristics. Gender is not that—gender is fluid. Gender and sex are not the same thing, so making an assumption of someone’s gender off of their sex is argued to be “poor practice”. Do you have an argument against that?

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Anonymous #5 2w

Also, I think you’re ignoring my main point. The point of including pronouns in bio is to create an environment where people don’t just assume everyone’s gender. If only transgender people did it, then it wouldn’t become a societal topic, and it wouldn’t ever matter. It’s the same way that we as a society now put “gay” or “straight” or “bisexual” or whatever on dating profiles. I don’t see how it’s any different than that.

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Anonymous #3 2w

#3, i agree. pronouns in bio is pointless most of the time

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Anonymous #5 2w

Oh and by the way, I’m only making this argument because you in your original post reductively dismissed most people to have their pronouns in bio as “virtue signaling”. I don’t think something as simple as pronouns in bio can be a red flag universally for non trans people

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Anonymous OP 2w

OP #3’s argument isn’t that they’re useless, it’s that they’re a RED FLAG most of the time. My stance is that they’re neutral-positive societally. Just so you know.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Ur missing the point. IF u r one of the small percentage of people whose gender identity doesn’t align with their physical presentation then obviously u need to clarify. If ur identity DOES align with the standard then it’s attention seeking to inform ppl of what they already knew. It is not necessary to pretend we don’t know ppls gender when the vast majority of the time it’s going to align with their physical presentation. Imagine checking your shoe is tied after every step you take.😂

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Anonymous #5 2w

Obviously listing your sexuality is important on a dating app. It's not however necessary to explain your sexuality in EVERY interaction you have. No one goes "hi I'm _ & I'm gay/bi/ lesbian/hetero" every time they speak to someone. The fact that you think it's the same is just indicative of why you think the way you do so I'm gonna block you so u can stay out of my mentions. I gta ignore stupid shit.

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Anonymous #5 2w

But I’ll respond to your last point: Fam I’m seeing your point, but you’re missing MY point 😭 pretty please read carefully and try to level with me here: My point is that, by normalizing having pronouns in bio, we help create a more inclusive society. Like how forms allow homosexuality as an option as opposed to just heterosexuality and “other” The idea is to not have a group feel marginalized in every social interaction because our current society isn’t built to handle them well

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Anonymous #7 2w

This argument has been used all throughout history. Lemme show you this argument in its worst case: Replace “pronouns in bio” with “black people given rights”, and this statement looks way more discriminatory, right? I’m not equating these two, I’m just showing a “worst case” of this train of thought based on history

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Anonymous #5 2w

Like my point is people used this argument in the civil rights era

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Anonymous #5 2w

Dude, all I said was I don’t have an issue with them. You’re talking abt a whole lotta nothing. I’m not reading all of that

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Anonymous #7 2w

even bringing up civil rights is actually making me cry with laughter

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Anonymous #7 2w

No you said “mind you, most people did not gaf until a few years ago” You can apply this argument to the civil rights era. That’s all I’M claiming.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Fam I specifically said I’m not equating the two ideas. They both just follow a similar line of logic. I dunno about you, but as a black person, I’m not one to argue which minority struggles the most

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Anonymous OP 2w

No literally because what are they talking about???😭😭

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Anonymous #3 2w

I don’t like being called a cis person call me normal …. Tf I’m just a person, woman, daughter take cis out tf I’m a WOMAN

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Anonymous #9 2w

agreed

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