Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Browns should be a little higher, offense sucks but the defense is very good

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

This post was very obviously rage bait targeted at you. Unless this person is just brain dead

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Anonymous #3 4w

Or the third option, it’s both

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I don’t care that the chiefs have done this too many times they are barely getting by, the lions are not as fraudulent as the packers the packers lost TO THE BROWNS, the bears defense is a bunch of janitors and they beat the Steelers and the commanders with Daniels playing, the colts are not fraudulent, the broncos have a mid offense and a spectacular defense but defense wins championships

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

browns I can get behind they have a lot of good pieces but they will always be held back by piss poor management

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

also the bears have beat bum teams but those same bum teams have beat elite teams. the eagles lost to the cowboys who the bears blew out, and the packers tied with the cowboys. the pats lost to the raiders and struggled against the bengals with the worst defense in the league, the bears beat the raiders and put up 47 against the bengals and won 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 4w

There’s no way you’re being serious using transitive property fallacy to explain why a team is better. The Lions almost lost to an injured Giants team and lost to a JJ lead Vikings team (Bears did too). Steelers btw aren’t good, their secondary is banged up and consisting of backups and their backup QB was playing. The Colts let the Steelers defense (one of the worst in the league) get 3 INTs, 5 sacks, and limit Taylor to under 50 yards. Colts also almost lost to the Cardinals.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Defense doesn’t drag sorry ass offenses to the SB anymore, it may get them to the playoffs but then they lose to better teams in the playoffs. That same shit mentality about defenses is why the Steelers run a middle school offense and haven’t had a playoff win in almost a decade.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

the broncos offense isn’t horrendous it’s mid, and you can say the same thing about the eagles

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

the chiefs went to the Super Bowl with a struggling offense let’s not act like defense doesn’t keep you in games

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Anonymous OP 4w

The Eagles have at least the pieces to be explosive, it’s mostly just the play calling that’s holding them back and the year the Chiefs went to the SB with a struggling offense guess what started to happen in the middle/later half of their season before the playoffs? Their receivers started becoming more reliable and able to catch the ball. Their offense wasn’t struggling bc their QB was unreliable it was bc their receivers couldn’t be counted on.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That is way different than a team being held back offensively bc their QB is very inconsistent and has poor mechanics.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Something like this right?

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Cherry picking stats isn’t going to help your argument when I’ve already made it clear that stats are a sorry ass argument and don’t tell the full story at all. There’s been countless times where a player has really good stats but is actually ass ex: Blake Martinez would have a ton of tackles but those mostly came from him being awful in coverage and getting a cleanup tackle. Another ex: Stafford on his earlier years with the Lions had some rough years but that was largely due to an awful team.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

All I was asking was whether or not that was consistent, not your monologue about stats.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

So you didn’t comprehend anything I told you bc if you did you wouldn’t have said this. I told you exactly why your cherry picked stats are pointless.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Looking at TD’s and INT’s is cherry picking? That’s a new one

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Yeah bc they’re boxscore stats that don’t tell you shit, that’s the whole point of cherry picking stats to make a poor argument. You find stats that reinforces your argument and hope the person you’re talking to is a moron and doesn’t understand how meaningless stats are when discussing how good a player/team is.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

If someone has thrown a 2-1 TD to INT ratio that tells you that there is an issue. Not saying those stats are everything but that doesn’t make them meaningless.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

They’re still meaningless without context, you don’t know why the ratio is like that, you don’t know what their surrounding cast is, you don’t know who their play caller is, you don’t what kind of play style they have etc. This is the same bs Eagles fans have been doing to try and prove Hurts is some great/elite QB when he’s far from it.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Well if you wanna know that’s Josh Allen. So that’s 3 of your questions answered right there. So are those ratios consistently good play or inconsistent with a lot of bad play.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Ik who the QB is, Josh Allen btw doesn’t have a good surrounding cast but makes it work most of the time and Joe Brady is a bad play caller. The difference between the Bills and Broncos shortcomings on offense is that Allen drags the offense forward while Nix drags the offense back. Without Allen the Bills wouldn’t be talked about as a playoff team almost every year. Without Nix the Broncos legitimately would have a better offense.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

But by all of your arguments it’s clear that you think Blow Dix is the better QB.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Never said that, Josh Allen is the better QB. But his play has been massively inconsistent and has cost his team. Do I think Bo Nix hasn’t played great? Yes. Do i think he’s probably closer to bottom half than top half? Probably, would need to go down the whole list to see where it falls. But I wouldn’t say he’s the NFL’s worst QB right now to the point of calling him Blow Dix and actively trashing on him while dragging the Broncos in power rankings just because of him.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Josh Allen isn’t who’s costing the Bills games and when a player is the main reason why a team is constantly in close games bc of his poor play and he plays QB then yeah I’m going to trash on him and not rank the Broncos higher when it’s clear that this isn’t something that’ll last long. I didn’t like the Nix pick then and definitely don’t like it now, I normally don’t care if a QB is struggling their first 1-2 years but when a pro ready older prospect is when the whole appeal of them is that

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

They won’t struggle then I’m going to care, Nix isn’t the worst starting QB but he’s sure as hell very close to it

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

So you’d rather the blowout losses to bad teams then? Where he did have bad mistakes

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Yeah just ignore that the Bills OC and supporting cast sucks and blame everything on Josh. That same kind of thinking is why Stafford was underrated for a while in Detroit

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Just to make a quick list because you’ve clearly lost the plot: for the QB’s that started the season as the starter: Geno Smith, Justin Fields, JJ McCarthy, Tua, Murray, Russ, Flacco, purdy, rattler, lawrence, young, Cam Ward. Just a quick list of the obvious ones. If you really want to get into other QB’s that have started that list gets longer. That’s not close

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

QB gets lion’s share of the praise for winning and blame for losing. That’s just how the league is

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Purdy, Flacco, Tlaw, K1, Ward are better than Nix and would have the Broncos playing like a true contender.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Ah yes, Purdy’s 7 picks in 4 games would be so much better in a worse system.

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Anonymous lord_vader 4w

Ah yes the QB who’s been battling injuries this year isn’t allowed a down year. The Broncos offense is limited in play calling bc their QB limits them, with a good QB they’d look a lot better.

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