Anonymous #1 4w

Worst qb to win a super bowl since Trent dilfer. And comparing the tush push merchant to Dilfer is an insult to Dilfer.

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Anonymous #2 4w

You’re just saying shit without any stats dawg 😭

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Anonymous #2 4w

Like back yo shit up words don’t mean shit

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Anonymous #1 4w

Stats barely hold any weight in an argument. I wouldn’t say Hurts is ass but he’s definitely the worst QB to win a SB since Dilfer. Hurts has too many limitations to his game to have a normal offense constructed around him.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Stats define the basis for arguments. Like I can say hurts is the best QB to run the ball since newton. Best way for you to disagree is with Lamar Jackson or josh Allen stats.

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Anonymous #1 4w

No, context and film are more important than stats. People who argue stats over everything else don’t know what they’re talking about. Even the advanced stats have been proven to not be as reliable as context + film.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I will agree that hurts’ limitations are glaringly apparent. But like, bro is like 54-18 in the past 4 seasons. Either he’s good, the coaching is good (which I’d argue it’s not), or the surrounding talent is that good (which again, look at Barkley and brown this year. Nowhere near their level of performance from last year) Defense has been swapped out entirely basically. Same with Oline besides the tackles. Only other common denominator is hurts

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Anonymous #1 4w

The Eagles surrounding talent has been amazing for Hurts entire career. He’s also only been good when the play-calling was good. I’m not saying he’s bad but his stats are not worth mentioning when film & context is there.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I mean yeah of course film is the best medium. Hard to convey that in an argument tho

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I will say he’s like 4-13 without lane Johnson on the field which is a big factor prolly

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Anonymous #1 4w

Not really, you just have to bring up moments from specific games. For example the Bucs Eagles playoff game 2023 shows a clear exploit to Hurts. You can also look at the Giants game that same year. That was when the play calling was bad but the roster was still very good. Year before and after that the play calling was good and Hurts magically was playing better.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Like I’ve watched film breakdowns of hurts after each game. Most games the reports are great. The one area hurts SUCKS at is predicting receivers getting open. He cannot tell at the break if a receiver will get open 20 yds downfield. The most elite QBs are exceptional at that. If hurts can’t tell immediately at the break he struggles to find someone

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

The end of the 2023 season was marred by the coaching failures of the dc and oc. Like there was literally no play we had that defenses couldn’t tell what would happen. It does show that though yeah, hurts and his surrounding talent aren’t always enough to win games

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Anonymous #1 4w

Hurts also struggles with arm strength (clean pocket he’s fine but not when pressure is in his face) he holds the ball too long, avoids intermediate passes, sucks at taking snaps under center (limits run game) and sometimes seems to have an issue going through his reads (shown in that Bucs playoff game)

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Anonymous #1 4w

He still has good traits like his running ability, accuracy, and when in rhythm he does usually make fast good reads, also shows clear ability to make correct audibles at the line. You can win with him but his limitations make it hard for avg/below avg play callers to create a good offense.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

He holds the ball too long bc he’s not seeing people open yeah, avoiding intermediate passes bc that’s the type of pass that relies on the qb being able to predict receivers getting open a few steps after breaks

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Like everything you’re bringing up boils down to what I’m saying. The film shows he can get the ball where it’s needed if it’s a clear designed route (but his accuracy in the deep pass is more like the 6-10 ft range than the 1-3ft range) or if it’s a clear blown coverage he finds that immediately. He’s also pretty good at switching up the play based on the defensive read. Not great at it, but not bad like people claim

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I 100% agree that we need a good play caller to make it all work well

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yeah I don’t think Hurts is bad but he’s not elite/great like some people try to make him out to be. I actually get frustrated each year the Eagles don’t promote the good play calling OC they have bc they’d easily become a consistent SB favorite if they’d have kept Steichen or Moore.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

No yeah I agree. Hurts elite talk is overhyped. But hurts being the worst QB to win in 24 years is a bit much too imo

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Like in the 2 super bowls he’s been in he’s outperformed Patrick mahomes both times

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Anonymous #1 4w

Going off of the SB winning QB I would say he has a good argument to be the worst SB winning QB. That’s not saying he’s bad but compared to the other winning QBs he’s the worst of the bunch. You can definitely argue he’s better than Foles but after that there’s not a lot of QBs you can argue he’s better than from that list.

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Anonymous #1 4w

While he did outperform him he was also on the better team both times. The first game Mahomes was also playing on one good leg and the most recent one the Chiefs OL was depleted and out of position against a generationally great defense.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Brad Johnson?

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

I think Joe Flacco is a decent argument too when accounting for overall success

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Ok, but if we’re willing to consider injury and OL when talking about mahomes, we gotta consider that for hurts too

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Anonymous #1 4w

So like 2 QBs, Flacco is better than Hurts, yeah we take it into consideration but the argument remains the same.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Straight passing Flacco is better, but all around I think hurts has a decent argument over him. There’s only been like 14 QBs to win a Super Bowl in the past 25 years, and most are already elite level QBs like Brady, mahomes, manning, etc

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

Well considering OL, what about the fact that most of hurts’ losses (and bad performances) come when specifically lane Johnson is out?

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Anonymous #1 4w

I don’t think that changes anything. Great/Elite QBs are able to deal with one injury on a good/great OL. Decent/Good QBs struggle when something is off. You see it with guys like Goff (worse than Hurts) where they look phenomenal when everything is going according to plan but once something gets changed they shit the bed, in Goff’s case it’s pressure in front of him and or the run game being stopped.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 4w

If hurts completely broke down with Johnson out and had terrible turnovers I’d see this, but like hurts put up some of his best numbers of the season this past game with Johnson out. Still not enough to get the win but if you take out the penalties, the 4/11 starter injuries on defense during the game, put in a healthy oline at the start, or take away a single fumble and the four come goes differently I feel. None of those rely on hurts to be any better than he was

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Anonymous #1 4w

Outcome* not for come

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Anonymous #1 4w

N to be clear I’m saying if any one of those went differently I think the outcome changes. Sometimes shit just falls against you

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