Anonymous #2 10w

It’s because of the amount of times they say fuck in the corny ass lines 😭

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Anonymous #3 10w

What movie did you see? Obviously not the same one

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Anonymous #3 10w

You mean the one time they said it? 😭

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Anonymous #5 10w

They said it 5 times and all 5 times it was corny. Your probably couldn’t hear it over the awful audio mixing though so I can’t even blame ya 💀

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Anonymous #4 10w

The one that everyone is unnecessarily glazing. It’s ok to go against the flow and admit it wasn’t perfect. 7/10 at best, and as a Nolan film honestly a 3. He could’ve done so much better. Generational fumble

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Anonymous #3 10w

And before someone says “ohh you just hated the acting choices” bruh I didn’t know any of the actors, and I thought all the actors did as best they could with the horrible script they were given

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Anonymous #3 10w

That’s a lie. I recognized Tom Holland and Zendaya, but I couldn’t even tell that Matt Damon was Odysseus and didn’t know until after lol

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Anonymous #5 10w

Btw for PG-13 they’re allowed one, which is why I was saying the multiple times is what caused it to be rated R

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Anonymous #3 10w

I think some of the other scenes caused it too, but that alone would make it rated R

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Anonymous #3 10w

I bet most people don’t even know what was cut or how horribly the original story was butchered so that the moral of the story could be “I’m such a fat fucking chud. I never should’ve raided Troy”. In the original it’s his hubris, which ironically would’ve been way better to use as his downfall for the “men are bad” narrative that was behind the scenes as well

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Anonymous #3 10w

Holy spam comment

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Anonymous #5 10w

Yeah I type fast. Use your pointer finger on left hand instead of thumb, it lets you type a lot faster (and is more comfortable imo)

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Anonymous #3 10w

I actually use my pinky

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Anonymous #3 10w

I’ve been told by people that they prefer when thoughts are split into separate replies instead of long paragraphs, so that’s also why I do it this way. It’s also because I remember something I wanted to say after I already said the first thing

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Anonymous #5 10w

Yk what if it works it works lol

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Anonymous #3 9w

Well I mean through context clues it pretty much was saying that Odysseus, right before the Trojan war, had those qualities of pride and confidence. Then after the war concluded was when he came to clarity of the after effects which is basically what you just said

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Anonymous #6 9w

Which is exactly what the movie got wrong and why the things they cut out were so critical. He maintained his hubris after the war. That’s why he kept digging himself into deeper trouble with the gods, especially during the interaction with the cyclops

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Anonymous #3 9w

Yeah you’re correct and I do think that would’ve been good as well. But I’m not mad at the direction Nolan took it at the end, Odysseus reflecting on what happened

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Anonymous #6 9w

That’s why I think the actors receiving hate is kinda dumb. They did well acting out what Nolan told them to so that it could be taken in that direction. It’s just that imo, that direction is inferior to if he had just strictly followed the original plot lines. I’m all for directors taking their own spin, but I think it really fell flat in this case compared to the potential product he could’ve created with the Odyssey as his source material.

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Anonymous #3 9w

I’d also probably feel differently if there was already a good baseline modern movie adaptation of the story, but since there’s not one yet, I personally didn’t see the need to try to change things as much as he did. Especially things like the crew culling scene with the dudes with armor and swords. The original version was much cooler (the ships got destroyed by savage giants throwing rocks at his fleet, leaving only his ship left out of the original 12) and could’ve easily been adapted

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Anonymous #6 9w

I think the direction would’ve actually made even more sense if some of the cut content had been included, too. In the book, he brags about the sieging of Troy and how good his plot was. His hubris is on full display. When they interact with the cyclops, he outwits it so that his crew can escape, and thinks that he can remain one step ahead of the gods. Over time, the bad things keep happening, and he’s basically beaten into submission through all the divine punishments and ultimately cannot-

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Anonymous #3 9w

-overcome the prophecy given to him. That works MUCH better than him apparently realizing his mistake as soon as the gates of Troy were opened, then just going on the journey back kinda just as some random dude along for the ride. I think using the whole breaking the law of Zeus thing helped mitigate this, but the originally plot line was much more compelling. His interactions with the gods and mythological beings were much more integral as well. I didn’t like how they felt like a side plot

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Anonymous #3 9w

My biggest problem was that Odysseus didn’t feel like Odysseus. He never did anything to make himself different from any of the other random soldiers other than the fact that we were told that he’s their leader, well respected, and the smartest of them all. Why? We never get to see. He never once has a feat that displays or solidifies anything other than him being skilled at combat and the fact that he came up with the Trojan horse. The wax thing kinda is, but still. Not much else

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Anonymous #3 9w

The biggest slap in the face was cutting out his convo with the cyclops, especially since it was one of these instances. He gets the cyclops drunk off wine, tells it his name is “Nobody”, and when they hurt it to escape, it tells its neighbors, “Help, help! Nobody is attacking me!” The neighbors don’t help because they hear “nobody is attacking me”. That’s clever. It’s a display of Odysseus outwitting an enemy. He doesn’t do anything like that in the movie at all

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Anonymous #3 9w

He also doesn’t really ever show an instance of why his men follow him as a good leader, either. Everyone just says he’s a good leader, so we just have to believe it without seeing any examples. He lets someone die for the horse plot, he gets some of his men killed in the cyclops den through a reckless plan, he keeps information from them and it pisses them off. The only things we see are literally all reasons to dislike him and reasons for his men to distrust him, not follow or respect him

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Anonymous #3 9w

The primary reason his men grow to distrust him is yet again another thing cut from the movie, including an entire character cut from the movie who was EXTREMELY important to Odysseus’ journey

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Anonymous #3 9w

Like I’ve said in other comments, as a standalone movie, it’s a solid 6 or 7 out of 10. But as an Odyssey adaptation, it completely butchers the narrative and falls incredibly short of what it could’ve been. Nolan is lucky that both his and the Odyssey’s name recognition are able to convince people to rate the movie highly without looking into it too much. I expected much more from him considering how good of a director he is, so the product I saw on screen was honestly very underwhelming

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Anonymous #3 9w

All valid points, the only reason he didn’t include all of that imo is because he either would have to make two movies or a 4-5 hour long movie (which I wouldn’t have been opposed to lol). But yeah it 100% would’ve been a more epic movie if he did

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Anonymous #6 9w

I agree that some decisions definitely had to be made to cut it down, but like I said, even some of the scenes included were unnecessarily and poorly altered. Too much time was spent on Ithaca with the badly written conversations between characters when both the cyclops scene and the crew culling scene could’ve benefited from the very few extra minutes they needed to stay more faithful and more impactful to the story

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Anonymous #3 9w

The reason I keep mentioning those two scenes is because both were still included in the movie, so he consciously chose to keep those in but change them into the inferior versions that ended up making it into the final cut. I know he’s a better director than that. That’s why I was disappointed

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Anonymous #3 9w

It’s like listening to your favorite artist’s new albums every time they come out, and you hear they’re gonna be making one where they cover classic Christmas songs. You’re like “wow, I’m excited to hear them sing these and listen to their takes on them”. Then the album drops, and you listen to it with full stereo quality, and some of your favorite Christmas songs come up, but they end up being just straight buns

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