LGBTQIA+ on Sidechat | can cis people stop acting like us trans people don’t know the difference between gender and biological sex. my gender is female, i present as a woman. i am very well aware that my biological sex is male. what do they think cis and trans means???

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LGBTQIA+ 7w

can cis people stop acting like us trans people don’t know the difference between gender and biological sex. my gender is female, i present as a woman. i am very well aware that my biological sex is male. what do they think cis and trans means???

Anonymous 7w

Alright, I’ll be that guy: Biological sex is also made up. There, I said it. It’s a collection of characteristics that we pretend are mutually exclusive and binary, but they aren’t. Some cis women have XY chromosomes, for example. And of course, intersex people are real, and more common than you’d expect.

Anonymous 7w

they love saying “you can’t change your chromosomes” but who said anything about changing dna

Anonymous 7w

also I’m ngl your average trans layman is more likely than our cis counterparts to have an understanding of sex which reflects the complexities of real-world human biology rather than the oversimplified version taught to children (i.e. it’s not strictly defined by genitals, chromosomes vary more than one might think, intersex people exist etc)

Anonymous 7w

L take. going on hormones changes ur sex

Anonymous 7w

Especially annoying when people try demanding that men be all tough and lead others whereas women submit themselves and remain a housewife. Like, refusing to acknowledge one’s identity is one thing, but forcing others to act a way they don’t want to? Both are bad, but both combined are just the worst.

Anonymous

#3 7w

not to mention the word “transsexual” was coined to refer to the fact that, since sex is defined based on a range of different factors, it *is* possible to “change sexes” from the one you were assigned at birth if you self-describe your sex as “male” then no judgment obviously, but there are trans women who self-describe as female too, and that’s every bit as reasonable

Anonymous

#1 7w

Hi, I’ll be the devils advocate (as a trans man)- Biological sex is a real thing, it simply means what you were assigned at birth. intersex people are the exception to having a different biological sex and they make up 1-2% of the population Other than that, roughly 98% of the population still would still have a biological sex of either XX or XY

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Anonymous

#4 7w

Hormones can replace the dominant hormones already in your body and change secondary sex characteristics but it cannot change the chromosomes you were born with (I promise I’m not being transphobic. I’m a trans man and I went to med school, all trans ppl are valid but I do think it’s important to know what is and isn’t true)

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Anonymous

#6 7w

Sex is expressed through several components. By changing your secondary sex characteristics through hormone replacement you are changing your sex.

Anonymous

#6 7w

If you had to be assigned it (in this case at birth), then it’s not a “real” thing per se—it’s a construct.

Anonymous

#1 7w

Just because there are rare exceptions doesnt mean there isnt utility in understanding sex as a binary with a few exceptions. There is only harm done when we ignore biological differences between sexes

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Anonymous

#7 7w

So, a binary, definitionally, has no exceptions. A spectrum can lean towards the ends and still be an a spectrum. Or, in this case, a series of spectrums and binaries (hormone levels exist on a spectrum, there’s 4 main chromosome possibilities (XX, XY, XXX, and XXY), etc)

Anonymous

#1 7w

But there is still utility in understanding what is “normal” bc if someone labels themselves as biologically female when they are biologically male that may lead to issues when she goes to the doctor. Maybe binary was incorrect but ignoring the normal binary that applies to most ppl is only harmful and causes unnecessary confusion when most ppl dont fall into those edge cases

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Anonymous

#1 7w

Calling soeone transgender does no harm and if it does that person needs to work on themselves bc they clearly have other things to work on psychologically. Even someone that receives srs surgery should label themselves as their biological sex bc that can lead to a whole list of issues if that person ignores the fact that srs comes with complications sometimes and they dont tell a doctor bc that may hurt their feelings (my mom is a nurse and she has dealt with this)

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Anonymous

#7 7w

Consider this: the situation that you used to support your point (going to the doctor and giving “inaccurate” “biology”) is not a real situation that can happen. A doctor can pull your medical records and see that you’ve been on hormone A and medication B for however long. They can see your surgical history. And if they can’t do that, then it doesn’t matter anyway because they shouldn’t be making any medical decisions if they can’t see your history.

Anonymous

#1 7w

Foreign countries cant see your medical history if you go to the hospital so you’re just asking for edge cases where the wrong procedure is given to trans ppl and i think thats disgusting

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Anonymous

#7 7w

What procedures could even BE given that would be different for men and women? Keeping in mind that any doctor performing a pre-planned procedure would have access to medical records. This would need to be an emergency-type situation.

Anonymous

#1 7w

Any complications that come with having an srs for starters

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Anonymous

#7 7w

Uh-huh. And don’t you think that someone who is experiencing complications from that would say, “I’m experiencing (symptoms), probably as a result of my sex reassignment surgery” ?

Anonymous

#1 7w

Then I worded it wrong, it’s not assigned, it’s what you *are* at birth, it’s the chromosomes you are born with, and while you’re not able to change your chromosomes, you are able to change secondary sex characteristics through hormone therapy

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Anonymous

#6 7w

Sigh. Some cis women are born with XY chromosomes. But they still developed female primary and secondary sex characteristics. Chromosomes are not the indicator anyone uses for “biological sex”— it’s primary sex characteristics

Anonymous

#1 7w

I do agree with you on this, I’m not saying these cases aren’t real, theyre rare but certainly not nonexistent, like yea no kidding their biological sex is going to be different

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Anonymous

#7 7w

post-op trans women are functionally indistinguishable from cis women who’ve had a total hysterectomy (both of which are very common). it’s much more sensible to describe them as “women with breasts and vaginas who are reliant on hormone therapy” than to try and treat them as completely separate groups based on their ASAB. sex is mutable.

Anonymous

#6 7w

if your “biological sex” is based on chromosomes, then I doubt you know what your “biological sex” is… considering how 99% of the US population has never been karyotyped. before being “devil’s advocate,” please at least do some fact-checking.

Anonymous

#2 7w

chromosomes are such an unimportant part of bimodal sex once you’re an adult (and probs some time before that), to the point that we don’t even bother finding out most people’s chromosomes lmao

Anonymous

#7 7w

also want to follow up and point out that surgical complications and/or pelvic floor dysfunction aren’t exclusive to trans women (and not all trans women experience them), for a variety of reasons cis women may have experienced a reconstructive vaginoplasty or other medical procedures that impact their health. these are things that can be explicitly discussed with a physician if and when relevant, again, not based on someone’s ASAB but based on their anatomy and surgical history.

Anonymous

#9 6w

“Please do some fact-checking” dude I’m a trans dude in MED school…y’all are telling me IM wrong when I’m in school for this. I continuously try to correct people in this subject because I’m going into this field and I try to educate and debunk popular myths but you guys genuinely make it so hard to want to be apart of this community anymore 🫩 yes biological sex is a complicated construct and intersex ppl are rare occurrences

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Anonymous

#6 6w

blustering about how you’re in med school, as though that exempts you from doing the barest amount of research 💀 and then insulting others for doing what you’re clearly too lazy to do lmao

Anonymous

#6 6w

You claim to want to “educate, and debunk popular myths” but all you’ve done is reinforce popular myths. Like, sorry dude, but if you want to make a point, you’re going to have to, you know, make an argument that isn’t easily refuted, and/or cite a source or something.