Anonymous #1 2w

You are not exempt from misogyny even if you are trans, good point

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Anonymous OP 2w

Like do you hear yourself

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Anonymous OP 2w

I do. It is a good point. You're not exempt from misogyny just because you're trans lol

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Anonymous #1 2w

And again, you are suggesting that they lay down and submit to misogynystic standards placed upon women? In order to pass? Sounds like weaponized misogyny to me

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Anonymous OP 2w

Like you don't say the same thing to cis women, ik you don't lol

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Anonymous OP 2w

Weaponized misogyny? Whatever the hell that means lmao I'm saying if you want people to like you and welcome you into their space then don't do things that make you unlikable. It really is that simple. And yes I do actually tell cis women when they're being overbearing and combative and making everyone uncomfortable lol some people are good friends who tell you the truth and some people just talk shit behind your back and exclude you. Which is worse?

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Anonymous OP 2w

You don't have to do anything but I do feel like thinking you are exempt from misogyny is definitely not helping your case if you want to be seen as a woman. No woman is exempt from misogyny. You can't transition and just decide none of the bad stuff applies

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Anonymous #1 2w

That's not what you said. You said being seen as a woman requires these things. Do you tell cis women they don't act like women when they behave this way?

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Anonymous #1 2w

Nobody is saying they're exempt from misogyny they just don't want to play into it. I know plenty of queer women who literally hold the same attitude. Why don't you call their womanhood into question the way you do trans women's when they behave the same exact way?

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Anonymous OP 2w

I actually did not say being seen as a woman requires these things

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Anonymous OP 2w

Misogyny isn't something you play into, it just exists so idek what it means to have an attitude of not playing into misogyny

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Anonymous #1 2w

"Being seen as a girl is about-"

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Anonymous #1 2w

As in, not submitting to it? Not letting it define womanhood and what it means to you?

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Anonymous #1 2w

acknowledging that misogyny exists and then expecting women to submit to it because they were born/transitioned into womanhood is such a male trait ngl

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Anonymous OP 2w

That's not what the post says lol you can't put quotation marks around words that aren't a quote

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Anonymous #2 2w

The Chaser's Manifesto

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Anonymous OP 2w

The point of the post was actually to say you don't have to spend a bunch of time and money trying to pass if you can pass a vibe check. If you make it a point to be inflammatory and to make people uncomfortable when you walk into the room, that's not what it means to be in community with the people involved. You can try to be all philosophical about it and argue against claims I never made if you want but it is what it is lol

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Anonymous #2 2w

I don't think it's "expecting women to submit to misogyny" to say don't make people uncomfortable....

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Anonymous #1 2w

And defining womanhood based on arbitrary vibes that you define is misogynistic

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Anonymous #1 2w

Expecting women to maintain this submissive, timid, all-smiles image where they avoid offending people at all costs IS misogyny

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Anonymous OP 2w

I didn't "define womanhood" and its not misogynistic to say don't intentionally make people uncomfortable lol please be serious

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Anonymous OP 2w

Literally never said that. You made that up lol

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Anonymous #1 2w

lol bffr that’s not all you said. we all agree it’s not nice to make people uncomfortable, but expecting women to be non combative and to not be overbearing to be considered women (to pass) is highkey something i only hear from men

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Anonymous #1 2w

You said to not act that way lest they not be seen as women. Don't act dense

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Anonymous #2 2w

MY POST LITERALLY SAYS INTENTIONALLY MAKING PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE IS NOT GIRL VIBES!!! That is a quote!!! What the fuck do you mean that's not what I said

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Anonymous #1 2w

And you said being seen as a woman is about, what? You're so close

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Anonymous #1 2w

yes you literally said being seen as a woman (passing) is about “girl vibes” and that being overbearing, combating, and making people uncomfortable is not “girl vibes” meaning that if you are combative, overbearing, and make people uncomfortable that you won’t be seen as a woman. that’s literally misogyny and something i’ve always heard the men in my life say about me

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Anonymous OP 2w

I said "being seen as a girl isnt even really about passing, it's about having girl vibes." That's what I said. My post says you dint have to spend a lot of money trying to pass, you can literally pass by just not having bad vibes. There are cis women out there with bad vibes who are problem starters. They also don't have a lot of friends lol you can't be seeking to be in community with people and going out of your way to be abrasive. That's literally the point t of the post

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Anonymous #2 2w

It says INTENTIONALLY making people uncomfortable. Why do you keep leaving that out? Clearly that's an indicator of what I'm trying to say and you continually omitting it to misconstrue what I'm saying doesn't make your case any stronger, it shows that you're trying to create a problem where there isn't one. My post isn't saying you have to be submissive it's saying don't be a bitch who's always looking for problems with people

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Anonymous #1 2w

was I intentionally making people uncomfortable by being the first woman in my family to get a college degree? or by going into a male dominated field? you need to understand that even if you are intentionally starting problems with others and are being a “bitch” that it doesn’t make you less of a woman

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Anonymous #2 2w

Nevermind the fact that it doesn't make you pass to act like the opposite of these things either, its just making people comfortable with your femininity which shouldn't be a woman's responsibility in the first place

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Anonymous #2 2w

When I say intentionally making people uncomfortable I mean literally making people uncomfortable. Like on a person to person literal basis not in some girlboss "men are uncomfortable around strong women way" lol I wasn't even thinking about men when I made this post. We're not even even talking about the same thing lol

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Anonymous #2 2w

Like what are you even talking about right now lol why are you giving me a speech about getting a degree and a job and I'm saying don't be weird towards people

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Anonymous #1 2w

because when you say that women can only be seen as women only when you act a certain way without any nuance to what is considered overbearing, combative and intentionally uncomfortable, it tends to make people think that you believe in the traditional male view of women that they need to act a certain way or else. one persons empowerment can lead to others discomfort. probably the worst/poorly worded take i’ve seen today this is some 10/10 ragebait

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Anonymous #2 2w

Nobody is made uncomfortable because you have a degree and a job, and especially not intentionally uncomfortable unless you literally were like "this person is uncomfortable by girls with college degrees and jobs and I, out of SPITE, will get a degree and job to make them uncomfortable". if that's the case then that's really weird lol. There is no nuance around intention, you either did it intentionally or you didn't

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Anonymous #1 2w

There is so much nuance are you actually joking

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Anonymous OP 2w

Like the only reason so many people are up to bat against your take is because you seem to have a black and white take on a very nuanced issue. I intentionally make misogynists uncomfortable. I intentionally make racists uncomfortable. I intentionally make transphobes uncomfortable. Ig thats not girl vibes tho

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Anonymous OP 2w

There is no nuance around nuance. You either did it intentionally or you didn't. People's perception of what happened has nothing to do with your intention.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I'm just talking about regular girls in this post my friend lol it's not girl vibes to just make girls uncomfortable on purpose for no reason. Whether you're a girl or not.

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Anonymous #4 2w

I'm not feeling dunked on and I'm not a transphobe lol

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Anonymous #1 2w

“im not a transphobe says person assuming trans women are going around purposely making cis women uncomfortable” bitch be so for real lmafo

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Anonymous #1 2w

And singling out trans women and telling them they won't be seen as a woman if they behave that way when you wouldn't hold cis women to the same standard is transphobic. Just because you're equally critical of those women doesn't change the fact that you're sitting here telling trans women they aren't going to be seen as women when you wouldn't tell a cis woman the same thing

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Anonymous OP 2w

I didn't say they won't be seen as women if they don't lol my post was saying there's an easier way to be perceived as a woman than by spending a bunch of money on a physical transition and that's by vibes. You don't have to do anything you don't wanna do

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Anonymous #1 2w

That is literally exactly what you said. Whats the alternative to not "being seen as a girl"? Jesus

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Anonymous OP 2w

If I say "there are red apples" does that mean if an apple isn't green that it's not an apple? You're drawing up false dichotomies here lol I never claimed that if you don't do XYZ you won't be considered a woman, the post is saying "yes you could do all the work going through a physical transition but you also could pass just on vibes". It doesn't even suggest that those are the only 2 paths, let alone that if you're not on one of them you won't be viewed as a woman

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Anonymous #1 2w

hun, you did nott lay it out like that before. “being seen as a girl isn’t about passing, it’s about girl vibes.” That’s a pretty clear creation of a dichotomy by you, not op. You’re obviously able to change your mind but I feel like it’s pretty easy to see why your post was interpreted how it was.

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Anonymous #6 2w

I said it isn't *really* about passing. I don't remember the specific wording in the rest because it was deleted but I did say that

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Anonymous #1 2w

shut your bitch ass up dumb fuck

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Anonymous #3 2w

I literally never said that lol

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