Anonymous #1 1w

he also singled out lesbians as the main mouthpiece of biphobia/biphobic jokes, and gay men as their “accomplices”. which is only representative of his particular media echo chamber, not broader society. biphobia is predominantly an issue furthered by cishet people. again. *some* valuable points, but the source has a clear bias.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I don’t remember the specific context in which he brings up the thing about abuse in lesbian relationships, I must have missed that part somehow because yeah, if he was referencing that one popular-but-inaccurate statistic uncritically then that sucks. so yeah, very much a legitimate criticism on your part. it’s not my intent to cosign every part of what he said though tbc, I just think a lot of people need to hear his arguments against the normalization of biphobic microaggressions

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Anonymous #1 1w

it’s a given that straight people are frequently biphobic though, the whole video was focusing on this as an issue Within queer community. that’s why he focused on lesbians and gay men

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Anonymous #1 1w

so it’s not an issue of his “particular media echo chamber”, but rather a reflection of his own experience as a bisexual man who mostly does not surround himself with cishet people

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Anonymous #2 1w

“there are experiences that do sadly play a part in the poorly-made jokes” is just making excuses for biphobic microaggressions. “well they say that because sometimes the stereotype is true!” / “unfortunately people are bigoted because [members of oppressed group] have been hurtful to them…” rhetoric is classic bigotry-justifying, of course that comment was unwelcome

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Anonymous OP 1w

i say that because the jokes are obviously in poor taste. they're mean, and making fun of issues i do see. which only makes the hurdles harder to handle. I've experienced many of what theyre joking about 10 times over from bi girls. That doesn't mean I joke about them, or would ever think to be uprightly rude. Though it is an issue if bi girls can't handle their own sexuality to where they feel oppressed when a Lesbian doesn't clock them as Queer immediately if they have a boyfriend.

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Anonymous #2 1w

no one needs to hear “well sometimes bi girls are shitty though” in response to a conversation about pervasive biphobia. I promise you no one is asserting that all bi women are perfect angels who have never harmed a lesbian”. so when someone’s posting about “hey, biphobia is bad actually” and you show up trying to Explain the sentiment behind biphobic jokes, that’s 1) derailing the conversation and 2) making excuses for biphobia. got it?

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Anonymous #2 1w

as for the “not being clocked as queer” thing, the video addresses concepts of “straight-passing” at length. I think you can choose to not take it personally when it makes a bi woman sad that someone presumed she was straight, and I think you can choose to not attempt to bring that up as a rebuttal when someone condemns biphobic jokes

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Anonymous OP 1w

I'm literally told you I agree the jokes are wrong and uncalled for. I came from reading another comment that was about Lesbian issues, where a bisexual women kept going on and on about how Bisexual women who were treating others poorly wasn't a 'real reason' to be somewhat off put. I only take their sadness personally when they make it my personal problem, which often times they do.

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Anonymous OP 1w

at the same time nobody needs to hear "Well not EVERY one is like that. Your perspective isn't what I asked for" when asking lesbians about the mistreatment in the sapphic spaces and communities Lesbian are also in.

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Anonymous #2 1w

the part you seem to be struggling with here is that you are not responding to a thread about lesbian issues currently. currently you are responding to a thread about biphobia. and in the other thread about biphobia, you were rationalizing biphobia without provocation

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Anonymous #2 1w

and when you’re out here using the behavior of *some* marginalized people as a justification for bigotry against an entire *category* of marginalized people, you pretty obviously DO need someone to tell you that being mistreated by some people isn’t a good reason to be a bigot

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Anonymous #2 1w

I have no idea what you’re talking about with the “your perspective isn’t what I asked for” / “asking lesbians about mistreatment in sapphic spaces” shit, please take that up in the context you’re actually referring to rather than clogging up multiple threads about biphobia with your hyperspecific grievances. not everything is about you, or necessary for you to speak on :)

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Anonymous OP 1w

while the bi jokes are overplayed and corny, who cares if someone makes fun of a girl for having a boyfriend… a majority of men suck. 9/10 times the boy she’s dating will inevitably break her heart and or traumatize her in some way, until bi girls are getting disowned, abused, imprisoned or hate crimed for dating a MALE why are gays and lesbians supposed to care? ppl in het relationships will always be more accepted by friends, family and society.

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Anonymous #3 1w

every one of your callous dismissals is addressed within the video. again, wish you would engage with the video in good faith rather than going reactionary mode over the subject matter

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Anonymous #3 1w

personally when I think someone is about to be traumatized by the relationship they’re in, I would not see that as a reason to make fun of them, because that’s victim blaming

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