LGBTQIA+ on Sidechat | genuine question as someone genuinely curious (a lesbian); are trans men able to be lesbians? I know trans masc are as its identity not their gender; but if you’re changing or believing your gender as non woman are you still a lesbian?

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LGBTQIA+ 3w

genuine question as someone genuinely curious (a lesbian); are trans men able to be lesbians? I know trans masc are as its identity not their gender; but if you’re changing or believing your gender as non woman are you still a lesbian?

Anonymous 3w

gender and sexuality are fluid, so there’s no right or wrong way for someone to be. their identity is their identity, and transmasc lesbians are valid 👍

Anonymous 3w

Trans masc is an umbrella term that includes trans men

Anonymous 3w

Aren't trans men and transmasc different? Transmasc was a more umbrella term I thought, so sure (if they don't identify as a man but something more mascular). A trans man is a man, no? So id say no to that.

Anonymous 2w

Some trans men/transmascs align with lesbianism! Some don’t as well! Sometimes they were lesbians before transition and still feel like the identity suits them. It’s really a case-by-case, personal preference. But they can be whatever they’d like! If you’re asking bc you’re interested in a trans man/masc as a lesbian, I would suggest just asking them! Hope this helps

Anonymous 3w

To me the issue isn’t non woman bc there are plenty of people who aren’t a woman but can be a lesbian. But a man can’t be.

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Anonymous

#1 3w

No fr like ik non binary lesbians exist; i myself dated one and im perfectly okay with that i just get confused when transmen who specifically say they identify as a man however choose to say they are lesbian

Anonymous

OP 3w

I personally think if someone identifies as a man, like an actual man not just someone who uses he/him, can’t be a lesbian. But I’ve also learned that I’m just outvoted on that so I’m just like fine whatever lol

Anonymous

#2 3w

They said the same thing ab transmascs in the post so I think OP agrees with that

Anonymous

#1 3w

I do!!

Anonymous

#3 3w

No 100% I agree

Anonymous

#3 3w

well yeah; but again some trans men argue that they are lesbian

Anonymous

OP 3w

I have seen that, and id say that they're completely invalidating their gender. Some people try to coin terms just to say they're not straight. It's sad. They've transitioned to a man, now if they like women they're straight 😞

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Anonymous

#3 3w

ikkk thats what confuses me and when i ask for clarity i’m met with people telling me that im invalidating THEIR sexuality so it’s like confusing

Anonymous

#3 3w

Omg exactly!

Anonymous

OP 3w

Yeahh just ignore them and move on with your day LOL. It's not worth it 😞

Anonymous

#1 3w

What about a gender fluid person. Am I not a lesbian today but get my lesbian card back tomorrow? What about bigender people who are both men and women? Are they bisexual because they’re half lesbian somehow?? Even if they’re not attracted to men at all?

Anonymous

#3 3w

Who are you to say what invalidates someone else’s gender

Anonymous

#4 3w

You have to be kidding right? You’re not a man 100% of the time. That’s why you have a label of gender fluid meaning you can be a lesbian

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Anonymous

#1 3w

But I am a man. When I’m a man I’m a man.. so I’m asking when I am a man, for months at a time, am I not lesbian anymore.

Anonymous

#4 3w

Did I say you weren’t a man? I said you aren’t all the time. Hence why you label yourself as genderfluid. Genderfluid people can be lesbians

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Anonymous

#1 3w

Well you said if someone identifies as a man they can’t. I’m a man. I may be nonbinary later, but I am a man now. And a lesbian

Anonymous

#4 3w

You are stretching so bad dude. Genderfluid people can be lesbians. Thats that

Anonymous

#1 3w

So I’m a man lesbian. Thanks for the help

Anonymous

#4 3w

Sure. Whatever. Bye

Anonymous

#4 3w

well babes I mean it's ......... It's right there. If you're a trans man, you're a male???? Transmasc is a wider term I fear.... you can't be a male lesbian.......

Anonymous

#3 3w

It’s very concerning the way yall interchange man and male when talking about who can and can’t be lesbians

Anonymous

#4 3w

If you're genderFLUID you're not a MAN. You may lean more male or masculine one day but you do not identify as a MAN. You are GENDERFLUID. Can you not get that through your thick skull????

Anonymous

#3 3w

I am a man. Do you know how fluidity works. I am one gender sometimes and other gender other times. Why are you so mad. Also I think I know my gender more than you dude. What’s up with this rage

Anonymous

#4 3w

????????? Man and male mean the same thing, I'm just using them interchangeably so I'm not saying MAN MAN MAN all the time. Masc is different. I'm aware of that. TransMASCULINE people can be lesbians, trans MEN/MALES CANNOT. Point blank.

Anonymous

#3 3w

Male is referring to biological sex. Man is gender.

Anonymous

#4 3w

Dude are you just sitting in the comments waiting to split hairs?!

Anonymous

#1 3w

I’m just talking. Why are yall so fucking mad all the time

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Anonymous

#4 3w

Sometimes I really do hate this community because we're really only against ourselves it seems 🫩🫩. Do you identify as a man (trans or cis) or as genderfluid??? Since your gender CHANGES, I wouldn't want to constantly refer to you as one or the other, no????? That's why your sexuality isn't dependent on your day to day feel, hence why you'd call yourself genderfluid.

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Anonymous

#3 3w

You seem to know a lot about me. I’m telling you how I identify and how I use words for MY gender. Please do not try and tell me how I feel

Anonymous

#4 3w

Okay, fine. Say we go that route. You can only be born a male. You identify as a man. You can't identify as a male. This DOESNT MATTER IN THE ARGUMENT. Like, AT ALL.

Anonymous

#4 3w

They are literally just telling you how things work

Anonymous

#3 3w

I’m just saying that when you say males can’t be lesbians it’s exactly what a terf says. Point for point terf retoric

Anonymous

#4 3w

Well I said men can’t be lesbians and I was wrong still. So why are you splitting hairs on male v man?

Anonymous

#1 3w

And I’m telling them how MY IDENTITY WORKS. You cannot tell me how I identify.

Anonymous

#4 3w

Oh my god please go cry to somebody else. I'm literally just explaining how things are. If YOU want to identify with the WRONG terms, fine. I won't stop you. Just know you are WRONG.

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Anonymous

#3 3w

Okay whatever. Get the stick out of your ass and leave me alone god damn

Anonymous

#4 3w

Ok cool. So I could also say don’t tell lesbians what their sexuality label means

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Anonymous

#1 3w

I’m a lesbian 💀

Anonymous

#4 3w

Males are a sex......... if you are a male WHO IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN then YES YOU CAN BE A LESBIAN. If you are JUST A MALE, THEN NO. IF YOU ARE A CIS MALE WHO IDENTIFIES AS A MAN, YOU CANNOT BE A LESBIAN. IF YOU ARE A MALE WHO IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN, SURE, WHO CARES!!!!

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Anonymous

#3 3w

STOP YELLING WHY ARE WE YELLING!!! YOU SOUND INSANE

Anonymous

#4 3w

Yeah I’m aware. But there are lesbians who disagree with you and you’re telling them what their sexuality means based off of you

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Anonymous

#4 3w

Well yes! If you are genderfluid and want to consider yourself a lesbian, then that is correct!!! Good job!! Gold Star!!!!!!