Anonymous #1 2d

a little but it gets to a point... some of ya'll are just lying to yourselves.... theres nothing wrong with being ftm, spoken as an ftm person

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Anonymous OP 2d

ok but who says you can’t be both?

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Anonymous #1 2d

i guess but like just let it go bruh... its over 😂😂

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Anonymous OP 1d

are you saying this cos someone told you you can’t be ftm or on T and be a lesbian and now you’re making it other people’s problem?

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Anonymous #1 1d

no i'm saying it bc i'm ftm and i see a lot of people who seem to me like they are obviously ftm but repressing it and saying that they are just butch. i just want my brothers to be free

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Anonymous OP 1d

but then we’re back to my previous comment. you can be both so why not support them in being both? plus to some people they may relate to you experience but their gender is genuinely just butch

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Anonymous #1 1d

plus ftm as a label can be really confining for some since it kinda relies on your sex rather than gender

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Anonymous #1 1d

i think there are a lot more people who are repressed ftm among the population of self-identified lesbians who take test than there are people who are genuinely deep in their soul just butch cis women (or something in between butch cis women and ftm)

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Anonymous #1 1d

what do you mean by this?

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Anonymous OP 1d

most transmasc people i talk to (including myself) don’t completely align with the identity of “man”. i’m a man but not the same way a cis guy is a man. yes the simplest way to describe a lot of transmasc people is ftm but that doesn’t always actually describe our gender. why else would someone still claim the identity of butch if they felt like it best describes them? ftm is a basic intro of a label for some but butch goes deeper

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Anonymous #1 1d

butch isn’t just tied to sexuality the same way femme isn’t just tied to sexuality

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Anonymous #1 1d

why do nonbinary transmascs such as yourself so often think that they represent the majority of transmascs, or that they can speak for the majority or transmascs? most ftm people identify only as men. you just can't see them because oftentimes they aren't out as trans, if you passed them on the street you'd just think they were a cis man. we're less visible than you but that doesn't mean we don't exist. i think a lot of people cling to the identity of "butch" because they have somewhat acce...

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Anonymous OP 1d

pted being trans but aren't all the way there and want to sort of cling to the idea of being a girl because it feels safe and crossing the line into being ftm feels scary. i think these people would benefit from being pushed over that line, because once they are they'll realize they'd've been happier if they'd done that from the start. that's basically what i'm saying.

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Anonymous OP 1d

i know this because i used to run a group for transmascs and trans men in a large city with a lot of queer people and have probably met and interacted with more transmascs and trans men than most others

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Anonymous #1 1d

there is a sampling bias. obviously openly trans people would be more likely to attend such a group than stealth people, who are more often binary transmasc.

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Anonymous OP 1d

true but i’m ngl it’s also an age thing. a lot of older transmascs identity as strictly binary men because there wasn’t a lot of possibility to identify as anything else and still be taken seriously

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Anonymous #1 1d

this is true. your point about nonbinary transmascs not being taken seriously in the past is valid. however i also think that nowadays there is an issue of *binary* trans men not being treated right within queer circles (not outside of them, since obviously seemingly cis people have privilege over visibly queer people in this cishet dominated world) as evidenced by what you said earlier where you made it seem like nonbinary transmascs were representative of the entire transmasc community

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Anonymous OP 1d

also to say that i’m or other nb transmascs are more visible than trans men is an overstatement. yeah im visible because i actively choose to be involved and open about my identity in queer spaces but like at work i just go about my day often in more stealth and everyone thinks im a cis guy

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Anonymous #1 1d

right but obviously they're more visible within queer spaces, and when discussing the ratio of nonbinary to binary trans men in the general population you are basing your conception off of the sorts of people you see in queer spaces (ex this group you mentioned)

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Anonymous #3 1d

(this is a study exclusively measuring T prescriptions among AFAB people 30 and older)

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Anonymous OP 1d

shut your bitch ass up you fucking botched abortion

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Anonymous #3 1d

this study was performed on (mostly) menopausal cishet women and has no bearing on the subject matter of this post

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Anonymous OP 1d

so then how the hell do you know that there are more binary “ftm” trans men than not if they aren’t actively being visible?? like it sounds like i’m speaking from experience and you’re speaking from assumption

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Anonymous OP 1d

the study was performed on AFAB people over 30 who were prescribed T and discloses the variety of precise reasons why, and is more relevant to this post than your closed mind is willing to accept.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Dude im sorry youre insecure or whatever but projecting it to this extent is actually really sad, what about a hairy lesbian sets you off so bad 😭

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Anonymous OP 21h

yo man that’s rude as shit

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Anonymous OP 15h

Ah I love to see a trans person with internalized transphobia How is one “obviously ftm”? I feel like making that call requires you to apply the same transphobic standard of a masculine presentation/appearance = man and vice versa. Also, you’re talking a lot of “just give it up” speak for someone who cares so deeply about something that does not affect you in the slightest, why don’t you just give it up and let people identify however they want?

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