Anonymous confusedpuppy 2w

also this convo commonly doesn’t consider people who strive for local usage only, not contributing to the cloud model usage, and by extension, their datacenters. “AI” consists of far more than just generative artificial intelligence, and more specifically (as this topic is commonly focused on) large language models. the issue here is capitalists and how they forcibly steer development of new technologies, disregarding impact on and the will of the citizens in question.

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Anonymous #1 2w

do not target your neighbors for using ai, when they’re overwhelmingly being conditioned to do so. raise awareness of the intentions and actions of the companies leading this wave of development.

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Anonymous #1 2w

(thats not about you pookie just an expansion on the point teehee)

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Anonymous #1 2w

No. Don't coddle stupid people

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Anonymous #3 2w

without even diving in to how dismissive and, arguably unrelated, that is in response to my previous comments; it’s inherently an immensely privileged position to hold. our government, along with many others, intentionally strips public education with the goal of minimizing the average intellect of the working class, while also trying to prevent us from forming the ability to engage in critical thought.

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Anonymous #1 2w

we should not entirely disregard the lives of those who are affected by the overwhelming propaganda we live through on a daily basis. that’s without even touching on the topic of how you’re generalizing everyone who touches any form of artificial intelligence as “stupid”.

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Anonymous confusedpuppy 2w

it matters for peace of mind. it matters for your writing, research and memory skills. there’s just genuinely no reason for the average person to use generative AI imo. putting in effort to do your own research/make your own work is always a more effective way to learn or create, anything AI gives you is already out there for you to piece together yourself in a more well rounded and accurate way.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Oh my god i'm literally disabled and you're trying to give me the whole "hating on AI is classist and ableist actually" argument please just stop. In what way does AI help the people you want to victimize just to make yourself feel better

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Anonymous #1 2w

the problem with the “one individuals impact doesn’t matter let people be” argument is that no one is actually shaming people who don’t know better for using AI, the only time i see people get upset are when people who are actually tapped in and should know better use AI art or something. or at least that is how a large majority is.

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Anonymous #4 2w

like no one who is scrolling on yikyak has an excuse not to know the global impacts of AI development. much like this conversation, people are talking about it often here and other places and if you don’t know about it while being This online, you’ve been ignoring it

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Anonymous #3 2w

So am I, the fuck?? did you miss the whole part of how “ai” does not only consist of generative models like large language models? artificial intelligence and machine learning has been utilized in scientific research for years, and is immensely helpful in a wide range of topics. also, as I stated, these capitalists are spending an unfathomable amount of money on manipulating the masses into blindly adopting widescale cloud-based generative ai at any means necessary, and

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Anonymous #1 2w

People seeming ignore that factor, and generalize the entirety of artificial intelligence into the single category of cloud-based generative AI. stop blaming your neighbors for the work of technofascist capitalists. Lastly, who the fuck am I trying to victimize? Is me bringing up propaganda and the educational system “victimizing” in your eyes?

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Anonymous #4 2w

i wasn’t the one who said that btw also, generative artificial intelligence does not cover the entirety of the field; other forms of machine learning algorithms and artificial intelligence are frequently used for scientific research (and medical research tbh) like these issues are because of the major companies forcibly leading the current wave of development imo, it’s not the fault of open source developers or those who work with primarily locally hosted models (aka no data center)

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Anonymous #1 2w

I am so clearly not talking about AI outside of generative AI. There are absolutely valid uses of AI for research. But I’m talking about businesses using generative AI for advertising, logos, posters, etc. when they have been fully capable of hiring artists up until recently. Like sorry but I don’t think it’s ethical to literally give away a human’s job to a machine that’s poisoning people’s drinking water just to keep more money in your pocket.

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Anonymous #1 2w

ofc that doesn’t fix the fundamental flaw with large language models, and I’d actually agree with you regarding the “ai art” and those types of uses.

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Anonymous OP 2w

and it’s fair to think it’s not ethical, but it’s also important to actually explain why to that person; a lot of laypeople have no idea about this technology whatsoever, nor its impacts, etc, and many live within denial. it’s important to remember the country and world we live in, as well as the forced survival mode we all live in.

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Anonymous #1 2w

additionally, there can be uses for generative artificial intelligence as well, especially in the long term; but again that doesn’t address the fundamental flaw of the volume of data required.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Nobody else is talking about anything besides generative AI than you. I KNOW what other forms of AI are. You're the one who keeps bending over backwards for the technocratic overlords. At least TRY to resist instead of eating the slop. And you absolutely ARE trying to victimize and woke-scold me for not believing working folks are not smart enough to be against generative AI

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Anonymous #3 2w

oh my god shove some more words in my mouth while you’re at it, the actual fuck? practically fighting your own shadow at this rate

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Anonymous #1 2w

Mf every single person who is capable of using gen AI is also capable of researching the ways it is damaging our environment and society as a whole. Literally just watch the damn news. I’m not gonna sit here and roleplay that all of these people don’t know what they’re doing. Are some of them blissfully unaware? Absolutely. But a lot know the negatives, don’t give a damn, and use it for their own profit and benefit. Stop justifying that shit.

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Anonymous OP 2w

this is what I’m talking about. using generative ai to replace workers is one thing, and it’s inherently bad, but using generative artificial intelligence itself is not inherently bad. many people, you included, are redirecting the issues of cloud computing and capitalists onto a form of technology with a wide range of uses.

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Anonymous OP 2w

yes, there are bad (and I’d argue should be outlawed) uses of generative ai, which is also why it’s immensely bad how much funding is being poured not only into propaganda, but also lobbying governments worldwide to prevent the adoption of regulation that limits how this technology can be utilized or developed. please stop doing the work of capitalists, especially when most of yall don’t even understand the depth of the field of artificial intelligence, let along generative forms of it.

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Anonymous #1 2w

(if we really want to discuss it, this technology should be regulated in a similar manner to how we regulate biological agents, similar to our heavy regulation on laboratory environments; but we will never achieve that if we’re still stuck on vilifying a form of technology instead of criticizing those forcibly developing it in the manner you discuss)

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Anonymous #1 2w

people would rather retain their dogmatic beliefs and target what they perceive as an “enemy within reach”, rather than perform any actual analysis on this topic.

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Anonymous #1 2w

You know that spamming fucking paragraphs in my comment section just repeating yourself over and over isn’t going to make me agree with you, right? I have ALREADY said I am not talking about AI outside of gen AI used by businesses for advertising, logos, posters, and other things typically made by a hired designer. I’m not talking about AI for research.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I already talked about your argument about generative ai, and how it’s still inherently based on generalization rather than analysis. genAI has a plethora of potential positive uses, but there are also a plethora of negative uses it can be employed in.

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Anonymous #1 2w

we need actual discussion instead of dogma, and we need legislation dictating legal uses for this technology, not this bullshit “ban all genAI” bs. this shit just muddies any attempts at actually analyzing the issues within the field, while inevitably providing more leeway and time for the capitalists at fault.

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Anonymous OP 2w

(And “spamming paragraphs” boo fucking hoo, I don’t partake in this two-sentence conversation bullshit, especially on topics as complex as artificial intelligence)

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Anonymous #1 2w

And I am talking specifically about one of the ways it is being used negatively, that being business owners using it instead of hiring a designer. I have never once said we need to ban all gen AI. Using it this way is PROVABLY bad because it is quite literally replacing the roles of designers and artists in the workforce, and it really isn’t doing it well. It’s stealing their work too, that’s how it trains. That’s not a generalization.

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Anonymous OP 2w

you know what you’re right, I realize that I’m incidentally aligning the words of another in this convo onto you, so I apologize. I mentioned it before but honestly I agree with you regarding using AI to replace workers, but my main point originally came from the state of the world we live within: many people are living in a perpetual state of survival day after day, and they’re also being inundated with a plethora of propaganda pushing them to minimize their workforces in favor of digital

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Anonymous #1 2w

employees in a sense (via generative ai most commonly); I feel as if it’s more beneficial in the long run if we try to combat that issue via raising awareness of the impacts and long term goals of the way major corporations are pushing the field, rather than vilifying individual people who commonly succumb to propaganda (that does not mean that applies for all of them though, many likely just don’t care about the impacts, in which case I’d say individual vilification is probably a bit justified)

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Anonymous OP 2w

regarding the stealing of work: I fundamentally agree, it’s why I mentioned the “hard problem of large language models” they require such a large amount of data to be effectively trained, specifically in the way that these corps want. it’s why I hope for meaningful legislation that considers the field of artificial intelligence as impactful (and potentially dangerous) as biological agents

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Anonymous OP 2w

another topic that I’d argue is similar to this is anthropogenic climate change; a lot of people seemingly adopt this apathetic view towards the climate crisis despite sometimes having explicit knowledge of the impacts that are headed our way it’s a bit apples to oranges don’t get me wrong, but meant to highlight the topic of propaganda and its effectiveness

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