Anonymous #2 5w

literally a post trending rn saying that cis men can identify as lesbians word for word 💔

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Anonymous #4 5w

If you could read you would know that the op of that post is saying that 99% of men who seriously truly in good faith identify with lesbianism will come out as trans, and it’s a sentiment mirrored by a trans woman in the comments, who’s sharing her story of thinking she was a weird man who was just really in tune with lesbians in good faith, and by alienating “men” who IN GOOD FAITH somehow see themselves as lesbians, we’re alienating people who haven’t realised they’re trans, and that’s bad

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Anonymous OP 5w

hey i never argued for or against that post. it’s just crazy to pretend like the argument for cis men isn’t being made and that people are just hallucinating it, when it quite literally is over and over again lol. whether or not they’re right is a different story

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Anonymous OP 5w

And I only say 99% because there may be someone out there that does not transition. But I’ve NEVER EVER heard of an actual cis man I’m good faith identifying as a lesbian, only transfem eggs. So when I see people say “well what if a CIS MAN says he’s a lesbian. How horrible is that!” I worry for any “cis men” who come across that and feel dejected, and never come to understand why she feels that connection to lesbianism.

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Anonymous #4 5w

The argument isn’t for cis men. It’s to stop using imaginary cis men lesbians as scapegoats because I’ve never ever seen one. I’ve only seen people who don’t know they’re not men. And by constantly going “well what if a cis man said he’s a lesbian. What then” a “man” may see that and feel horrified and like “he” can’t possibly have anything in common with lesbians, and maybe it’ll take her longer to realise why she IN GOOD FAITH feels that connection. Read between the lines .

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Anonymous #4 5w

No CIS MAN is in good faith identifying with lesbianism and no one with a brain or who matters is arguing that they can be. Cis men CANT be lesbians. But if a “cis man”, in working out their identity, feels at peace with the lesbian label in good faith that isnt a cis man thats a doll 💀

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Anonymous OP 5w

you never seeing any doesn’t make them imaginary though… it’s genuinely no different from bringing up hypothetical questioning trans women. i just don’t see how coming up with so many what ifs for one side is okay but not the other. i’d much rather work towards a community where we support everyone’s individual journeys directly rather than just shifting words around, calling it a day, and hoping for the best LMAO

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Anonymous #4 5w

Hello do you not see the part where those trans women aren’t hypothetical because I’ve talked to many trans women who’ve been through that exact thing. But never someone who does not transition

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Anonymous #2 5w

completely agree that a cis man working things out isn’t a cis man at all, not talking about them twin. i’m talking about the cis men that genuinely do identify with it in good faith bc they do indeed exist lol. all im saying is that the argument IS being made and they DO exist. so it’s silly to act like people are just making it up and shutting the convo down

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yeah like idk if I worded it weird or what but I feel like it should be assumed that I’m talking about people who think they’re cis men, not who actually are

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Anonymous OP 5w

i’m not saying they’re hypothetical because they don’t exist, i’m saying there equally hypothetical to cis men in the conversation because they’re only being brought up to make a poor point 😭

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Anonymous #4 5w

Show me one post, one person who is a cis man who in good faith identify with lesbians. Also even if you do. WHO CARESSSSS they won’t stop identifying that way, and by constantly fighting against them you’re just going to alienate transfem eggs. That’s why WHOLE POIMT

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Anonymous #4 5w

Well im not gonna sit back and act like because i havent seen it at all, but like i said, no one with a brain or who matters or who isnt a cia plant is allowing cis men to identify genuinely with lesbianism lol.

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Anonymous #2 5w

I agree with many things you’re saying in this convo, but I just don’t understand the constant usage of “allowing” if a cis man genuinely identifies with lesbians, “not allowing” him won’t stop anything. He’ll still feel that way. Wouldn’t it be better to just. Not talk about them? Same thing with if people have issues with trans men lesbians. Trans men who id as lesbians won’t stop, and posting about them won’t stop them, so we should stop posting constantly about them

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Anonymous #2 5w

i agree with you twin, but unfortunately many people here do not 😔💔

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Anonymous OP 5w

I think you’re misunderstanding my point. This person is bringing up a problem they see in the argument of trans men being lesbians and acting like its a slipperly slope to “allow” trans men to identify genuinely as lesbians, because its “allowing” cis men by proxy. Im not saying anyone should be allowed or disallowed from an identity but if we are taking this cis man who identifies as a lesbian genuinely as a cis man and not an egg, no they arent a lesbian.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Its also assumptious because its assuming this persons journey with self identity is done and over with. Im not arguing one way or another but cis men arent in mass in good faith identifying as lesbians and if one is thats not a cis man. Thats a trans lesbians.

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Anonymous OP 5w

reddit, other yikyaks, people i know irl… and i mean i’m not arguing to make anyone stop, i know they won’t. but that isn’t mutually exclusive with it bothering and genuinely affecting people. and it doesn’t change my original point that it’s an argument being made that people pretend isn’t. it shouldn’t be alienating transfem eggs either because it’s not about them at all, they’re fine lol

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Anonymous #4 5w

But imagine being a man who deeply resonates with lesbians, for reasons you don’t understand but don’t stem from simply sexualising lesbians. Now imagine all you see is constantly “well if you let a TRANS MAN be a lesbian what if a CIS MAN THINKS HES A LESBIAN” and it’s this constant bombardment of people saying that men can NEVER identify with lesbians. Wouldn’t you think you’re weird and gross?? Wouldn’t you repress that part of yourself that longs for a lesbian relationship? I know I would.

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Anonymous OP 5w

i’m not arguing anything to do with a slippery slope of allowing trans men to be lesbians. i’m fully aware that there’s a difference between binary trans men and gnc trans men, and would hope no one’s making a blanket statement like that 😭😭

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Anonymous #4 5w

Gnc ≠ not binary. A binary man wearing a dress is gnc

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Anonymous OP 5w

nb and/or gnc. either way i am NOT arguing for a slippery slope.

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