Anonymous #5 2w

That doesn’t excuse other queer people treating queer people in straight passing relationships like shit

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Anonymous #8 2w

Yeah people still face verbal and physical violence all the time for living as visibly queer but other queer people who are just pointing out that you have a certain type of privilege we don’t are the problem. Got it thanks.

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Anonymous #4 2w

^^^^^^

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Anonymous #5 2w

the problem is thinking that because people have a certain type of privilege, that it’s okay to treat them like shit.

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Anonymous #4 2w

It's just frustrating when I try to weigh in on queer issues and some people automatically assume I'm straight and cis before even hearing me out

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Anonymous OP 2w

I have a friend who‘s non-binary and in a cishet-presenting relationship and they’ve told me that a couple people assumed they detransed just because of it 😭

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Anonymous #13 2w

^^

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Anonymous #15 2w

Awful fucking take. Genuinely so dismissive of people’s identity and it completely ignores if they are bi or pan. Horrible to see this from someone who is gnc

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Anonymous #5 2w

SO RIGHT LIKE LITERALLY

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Anonymous #8 2w

BECAUSE YALL ARE JUST STRAIGHT like imagine being straight and playing the victim to the community who are the ACTUAL victims in society and ANTAGONIZING US.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Whether or not you are bi or pan it doesn't matter if you are in a straight relationship. To be in a relationship implies that you are monogamous (not always the case but it does) so for the long run by commuting to someone that's you choosing that sexuality. It's like logical to think it's a bi or pan person making their pick. And don't even get me started on men who say they are bi but only get with afab people. Like high key they are just straight weirdos who fetishize trans men.

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Anonymous #16 2w

It's like being gay or queer at a time in their life.

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Anonymous #15 2w

imagine being biphobic in the big 2026. yikes.

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Anonymous #15 2w

I’m sorry but that is genuinely the most ridiculous and narrow minded thing I have ever heard in my life. Jesus Christ

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Anonymous #11 2w

Being bi implies that you'll make a choice when it comes to a partner. If they choose to be straight. They'll live their lives as straight free from ridicule. And it would literally just be a straight relationship.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Like genuinely so bi/pan phobic. Who the fuck are you to dictate what I present as?

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Anonymous #15 2w

1) not straight 2) not cis 3) not monogamous 4) not "picking a side" 5) not letting someone else define my own relationship and sexuality. I hope you're usually a happier person than this.

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Anonymous #15 2w

there is no such thing as being non-binary in a heterosexual relationship. and maybe don’t reduce relationships down to sex? also holy shit you sound like a transmed

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Anonymous #15 2w

Sorry so your entire argument as a queer person is that non-binary people are faking it for attention…. Shut the actual fuck up.

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Anonymous #15 2w

being bi in a relationship with the opposite sex doesn’t magically make someone straight. they clearly don’t live their lives free of ridicule if there’s still people like you in the world claiming they’re no longer “queer enough” just bc their partner is opposite sex. you’re stupid asf

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Anonymous #12 2w

YES THANK YOU

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Anonymous #17 2w

Not at all. I love my non binary friends but I feel like if it's not a queer relationship it's not a queer relationship. It's gayer to for a woman to peg a man than for a straight man to fuck a woman that identifies as non binary.

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Anonymous #11 2w

There’s a lot of talk about being “treated like shit” but not a single example of actual behavior. Pointing out that people who are gay or trans often bear the burden of publicly visible queerness in ways NB and bi people sometimes don’t isn’t exclusionary. It’s just reality. This is an intersectional approach. I’m not saying you’re not a valid member of the community; I’m just saying our membership often costs us more and it’s frustrating when people refuse to acknowledge that.

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Anonymous #15 2w

…yiiiiiiiikes.

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Anonymous #15 2w

How brain wormed are you? Like genuinely

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Anonymous #15 2w

you can’t cry about being antagonized by society then turn around and antagonize part of the community just bc you don’t deem them “queer enough” for you.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Nobody is saying it is a queer relationship, bur being in a heterosexual relationship does not make someone heterosexual and it doesn’t mean they are “picking a sexuality” you have some fucked up worldview and it’s honestly disgusting.

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Anonymous #12 2w

Lmk when you get to the real world

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Anonymous #15 2w

You’re the one not living in the real world you childish myopic weirdo wtf!!!!

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Anonymous #5 2w

not a single example? did you read #15’s responses?? thats a GOOD example of bi people being treated like shit. not to mention being called “sluts”, “whores”, and being told to pick a side.

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Anonymous #17 2w

Live and exist with the actual struggles of someone in the community and then tell me I'm myopic.

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Anonymous #15 2w

I will not fall to the rage bait anymore

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Anonymous #16 2w

15 is bonkers. Nonbinary people struggle just like all other queer people. Yes we are dysphoric and some of us go on hrt. Yes we are queer. Go in peace everyone do not fall to the trans med rage bait

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Anonymous #15 2w

I’m a gay nonbinary person who’s been open and out for over a decade. Don’t you dare try to tell me about the struggles of the community.

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Anonymous #11 2w

people need to realize that the entire community faces hate from our heteronormative society regardless of how severe it is for each individual. it’s important to acknowledge privilege but they hate us all so comparing levels of hate is pointless.

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Anonymous #17 2w

Hey same twin :3 but like they are bat shit crazy no point in letting them get under your skin. They are probably some 70 year old fed anyway. You are valid and no one can tell you otherwise

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Anonymous #11 2w

I’m just now seeing everything that #15 wrote. I’m sorry they’re trying to say you’re not real queer people. I do not believe that at all. I’m just asking you to realize it’s easy to say “comparing levels of hate is pointless” when you may face a lot less queer hate than I do. :/

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Anonymous #16 2w

I've never in my life seen so many people mad about being heterosexual. Like wheres the overlap? How about that. That's the topic. Is it hetero or homo on a sex level. If it's heterosexual it's straight I'm sorry. The law is not gonna see yall different from the other straights sorry.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Oh 15 is absolutely insane, trying to gatekeep who gets invited to the proverbial “queer cookout” based on arbitrary bullshit they’ve pulled out of their ass. Your identity is also valid, fuck 15.

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Anonymous #5 2w

<3 thank you for understanding. We all are queer and all suffer in our own ways. We are strongest as a community when we stand together

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Anonymous #15 2w

your definition of heterosexual is based on sex when it’s multifaceted.

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Anonymous #17 2w

Fr like I can’t imagine being the queer version of a terf??? We all suffer the same and excluding anyone doesn’t help us

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Anonymous #5 2w

you’re right what i was trying to say was that society hates the entire community regardless of how we identify so it’s pointless to be at each others throats.

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Anonymous #16 2w

And I'm not a fed. It's just if it's straight it's straight. Deadass I'm blocked by Blaire white on all platforms for cussing her out for excluding the non binary community like I probably I'm not a trans terf for non binary people. I'm speaking about it being like on a sex level. Like I'm a trans woman but if I get with a man we are socially straight. But that's not gonna get accepted by the straights because the straights see him as gay. Because on a sex level it's gay. So we wouldn't be

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Anonymous #15 2w

Accepted.

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Anonymous #16 2w

It’s genuinely embarrassing to see people within the community be so divisive, dismissive and disrespectful to other people’s identities. Nobody is disputing that our trans friends have a much harder time than the rest of us right now but like it’s not a fucking competition… just weird behavior.

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Anonymous #15 2w

But also I live in the south so that's different

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Anonymous #15 2w

I’m from the south? I was raised by hardcore maga parents? I am 18 and was kicked out of the house by my parents and had to pay my tuition out of pocket? We can go band for band on “struggles” but suffering should do nothing but make you more empathetic of others

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Anonymous #11 2w

#16 & #11: <3 I’m glad we’ve reached some mutual understanding and I totally agree we need to stick together. It’s just as a monosexual gay person there are certain things (like a hetero passing relationship) that are just totally off the table and it forces us to be openly queer in situations where bi people may not be forced out in the same way. It doesn’t mean you’re not full & valid members of the community, it just means that we may get pushed to the front of representation more often.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Why do I lack empathy for calling a heterosexual relationship straight?

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Anonymous #15 2w

“I’m not but like I am” do you understand how contradictory you sound? 😭

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Anonymous #16 2w

It’s genuinely so sad and funny at the same time.

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Anonymous #16 2w

I'm not denying anyone's identity. You can be non binary and straight. Like some trans men still identify as lesbian.

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Anonymous #15 2w

But can you be non binary and queer? Yes but you’ll say no

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Anonymous #15 2w

You literally said heterosexual people are faking being non-binary for attention, so why are you switching your now?

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Anonymous #16 2w

guys I’ll be fr it might just be better to move on from this convo

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Anonymous #17 2w

Some people are. Not all. Sorry for making like blanket statements. But it does genuinely frustrate me when there are people who play in it who aren't it. It's like when non punk people just switch their aesthetic up and be punk for a month or something. It's like bitch you don't know ball!👺 like I live this punk life👺👺

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Anonymous #17 2w

Like I know actual non binary people and I know people who say they are non binary to be performative there's a difference but I mean I'm not some grand decider I'm just transgender

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Anonymous #12 2w

I know, and ik I said I wasn’t falling for the rage bait but god damn it the feds have gotten better training or something 😭

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Anonymous #15 2w

Holy switch up

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Anonymous #16 2w

I just think multiple things can be true at once

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Anonymous #16 2w

Aquarius merch

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Anonymous #15 2w

“I’m not a terf I have a nonbinary friend” no way you pull the “I have a black friend” card 😭

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Anonymous #16 2w

Aquarius Mercury

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Anonymous #16 2w

Girl shut up I'm trans I was non binary for a good 2 years

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Anonymous #16 2w

Twas a rather confusing time in my life

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Anonymous #15 2w

Virgo Saturn? I can name zodiacs and planets too buddy

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Anonymous #16 2w

I said BITCH I WALKED THE WALK STOP PLAYING

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Anonymous #15 2w

Nuh uh. Fed ah responses. Be gone Stan Smith go back to American Dad

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Anonymous #16 2w

I'm deadass a communist cat girl

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Anonymous #15 2w

Walk the fuck away from here :3

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Anonymous #15 2w

Glad you found a label that makes you happier. Doesn't give you the right to decide if people are lying about their identities

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Anonymous #16 2w

I feel like calling me buddy is transphobic but you know yall don't care when yall do that kinda shit bc yall are the victims

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Anonymous #15 2w

I’m not a girl <3

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Anonymous #15 2w

How is that transphobic???? Also you literally called me girl????

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Anonymous #15 2w

Happy for you, now do the world a favor and shut the fuck up. Gatekeeping fuck

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Anonymous #15 2w

Calling everyone else wannabe victims when you’re making up fake transphobia to be a victim is pathetic and crazy. Shutup already fuck

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Anonymous #17 2w

Calling a girl buddy is weird

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Anonymous #15 2w

Okay cool. Can you like go back to Langley now?

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Anonymous #15 2w

Calling someone who isn’t a girl girl is weird too but yk… I’m just the victim here 😭😭😭 oh lord I need a “real” queer person like you to come and set me straight

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Anonymous #4 2w

People like #15 on this post are the problem 🫩

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Anonymous #15 2w

It isn’t, buddy is widely used as a non gender specific term and you know that. You aren’t getting anyone to believe you’re the victim here, we aren’t on your side. You’ve been saying weird and fucked up shit this whole time and now want to distract from that. You are pathetic.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Explain to me how a nonbinary person is in a heterosexual relationship? Are you saying that they are cisgender? I’d like to hear an explanation from you that isn’t transphobic af

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Anonymous #5 2w

Real recognize real. Ty for hearing us out

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Anonymous #18 2w

See they don’t have one. Completely bs argument

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Anonymous #15 2w

So if a trans woman dates a cis woman, by your logic, nothing gay is happening in the bedroom. Somehow your “she” pronoun makes it different but “they” doesnt?

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Anonymous #15 2w

“Woman that identifies as nonbinary” so you don’t want people to misgender you but you’re doing it right there

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Anonymous #5 2w

Reasonable take

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Anonymous #18 2w

If a non binary person is having heterosexual sex it's a heterosexual relationship. If a non binary person is having gay sex it's a homosexual relationship. Opposite sex vs same sex. Non binary people aren't having sex changes.

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Anonymous #19 2w

I'm technically a man that identifies as a woman I can't hide that or change that it just is what it is.

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Anonymous #19 2w

Socially lesbian sexually heterosexual.

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Anonymous #15 2w

For the question about a cis woman getting with a trans woman

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Anonymous #17 2w

Im not the victim it's just weird. Guys don't call me buddy. Girls don't call me buddy.

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Anonymous #15 2w

I AM NOT A GUY OR A GIRL

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Anonymous #15 2w

So you don’t even believe in your own identity as a woman… because it’s very much accepted within the lgbt and scientific communities that trans people are the gender they identify as. You believing you’re “technically a man” says everything we need to know about your beliefs and own relationship with your identity, because you aren’t.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Firstly, you never explicitly stated your gender in the chat. Secondly, I just say girl to everyone regardless of gender. I say girl to grown ass men bc it's how I talk.

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Anonymous #15 2w

I did though?

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Anonymous #15 2w

So you’re a hypocrite then, because that’s the exact day wah the majority of people use the word “buddy”

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Anonymous #16 2w

Also yeah weird self hate? Don’t take it out on others even though your from “the south”

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Anonymous #17 2w

I am trans I just have a big fat girl cock and that's a dealbreaker for men who are straight. It's a real part of life that I have to experience and deal with.

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Anonymous #17 2w

I see myself as a trans woman. Because that's what I am.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Okay but me seeing myself as pan and nonbinary (because I am both of those things) is invalid if I date someone who was assigned the same sex at birth as me?

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Anonymous #16 2w

No? Why would that make it invalid? Not if it's the same sex. But if it's the opposite sex ya gotta kinda logically understand you chose the normie straight life unless you are like super punk. And not conforming to societal fashion norms and are just generally an outcast.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Sorry opposite sex

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Anonymous #15 2w

My take is non binary people can be trad wives too!

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Anonymous #16 2w

I had a whole thing big thing I was gonna send but you are brain wormed and a terf or a fed like holy shit leave pleases

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Anonymous #15 2w

Nobody chooses who they are attracted to, so saying they chose the “normie straight life” is both wrong and again somehow deprecating towards all queer people because you yourself as a trans woman just implied queer relationships aren’t “normal”

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Anonymous #17 2w

It's not normal and I'm okay with that

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Anonymous #15 2w

Guh. Self hate goes wild. You need therapy

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Anonymous #15 2w

Ok but like if you’re not binary that’s not a “heterosexual” relationship in the first place???

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Anonymous #20 2w

I think it depends on how the person presents.

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Anonymous #15 2w

It is normal… love is normal. Love is the default. Hate, intolerance and ignorance are the abnormalities. Sitting here and saying your own existence isn’t normal is again weird asf. It’s very clear you’re still struggling with coming to terms with your own identity and accept that you and all queer people are valid as they are. You should work on that instead of projecting your weird self hate onto everyone else.

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Anonymous #15 2w

It doesn’t.

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Anonymous #20 2w

Because being trans is work. I've worked very hard on how I look to be perceived by people as a woman. I have non binary friends that work and try and they have my respect. But you can't say there aren't people who play in our profession. Who play in our lives. That's what I'm frustrated with. If every old white lady says they are trans and go by they them then we have lost the plot entirely. I just know professors who do that. Being trans just takes work yall. Id never intend to hurt yall.

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Anonymous #17 2w

I don't hate myself I love my weird self. And I'm happy to be trans and am happy with my identity and choices.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Funny thing is there's nothing in this post that suggests my or my partners genitals and nothing that states we're allosexual at all. You made a lot of assumptions just to try to invalidate my queerness.

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Anonymous #15 2w

It very much doesn’t show, go to therapy 🫶

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Anonymous #15 2w

Being nonbinary takes work too! It is a constant struggle of trying to dip to far to any side of gender expression. A constant tightrope walk. This shouldn’t detract from how I express myself sexually? Some people don’t or can’t try as hard to pass. GOOD FOR THEM. We each go at it at our own pace.

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Anonymous #15 2w

But somehow you aren’t happy with how we describe ourselves hundreds of thousands of miles away from you each living our best lives

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Anonymous #16 2w

If it's not giving it's my responsibility to make it give. And I'll leave it at that.

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Anonymous #15 2w

YOU ARE NOT MY KEEPER

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Anonymous #15 2w

It’s not your responsibility to police anyone else’s identity you fucking weirdo.

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Anonymous #16 2w

That's not me...

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Anonymous #16 2w

But they aren't wrong.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Thank you for in fact proving that was you. Fucking weirdo.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Wild cause I’m not white. Also how does race pertain to me saying you have no control over how I identify?

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Anonymous #17 2w

Girl it wasn't me I genuinely don't care that much

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Anonymous #15 2w

Dude clearly you do

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Anonymous #15 2w

And yet here you are continuing to spout your nonsense and genuinely transphobic bullshit across these comments.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Your whole argument has basically been “I’m not crying you are”

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Anonymous #15 2w

So me (a pansexual genderfluid) dating my transfem pansexual girlfriend isn’t gay because we don’t appear queer?? You’re so nuts that you made the squirrels jealous

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Anonymous #5 2w

I don’t know why people are downvoting you you’re completely right.

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Anonymous #22 2w

Honestly (I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this too) I think it’s because a decent chunk of people use their queer identity as a vehicle for everything else that makes them feel marginalized or othered so when it’s time to focus on just their sexual and gender identity (read: their actual queerness) they start to fall apart bc for them being queer is more of a nebulous, amorphous phenomenon about individual feelings than advocating for tangible things that increase our societal equality.

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Anonymous #21 2w

I mean in that instance yall are queer for sure

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Anonymous #21 2w

I feel like society deems any relationship involving a transfem queer regardless of the other persons gender unfortunately it just be like that

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Anonymous #15 2w

Neither of us are medically transitioned so according to your logic, we’re not queer

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Anonymous #21 2w

I don't think you have to medically transition to be like gender non conforming or transition. Before I medically transitioned I still would have considered my relationships queer. But taking estrogen also got me to be open to being with the opposite sex. So I'm not sure how I would have felt before. Like i wasn't bisexual before estrogen. But I don't think you have to medically transition to be considered queer I find that toxic.

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Anonymous #15 2w

you're giving conservative rn btw

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Anonymous #24 2w

Preach

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Anonymous #24 2w

Auth left baby im an anomaly

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Anonymous #15 2w

def an anomaly, thinking you have any right to tell people whether or not they're "real" queer people

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Anonymous #15 2w

get help

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Anonymous #15 2w

An anomaly of how you can claims these things but go so drastically against what they believe in?

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Anonymous #24 2w

Because people who are in monogamous heterosexual relationships calling themselves queer irritate me. Sorry. There are so many toxic men who only get with afab people and fetishize trans men being invited into our spaces and genuinely hurting the community. I'm sorry that's just how I feel. That is not a bi king yall. Don't let that pos man think that. That's what angers me. I'm sure I'd love all of you in real life and I'd consider all of you a part of the community. And I'd consider you queer

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Anonymous #16 2w

16 genuinely fuck off I've already told you I'm a communist.

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Anonymous #15 2w

This is a post about a queer relationship being queer. The experiences you're describing do not determine if my partner or I are queer. Heterosexual presenting is not the same as being heterosexual

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Anonymous #15 2w

gender queer people exist, and only a nonbinary individual can decide if their relationships are straight or not. in your attempt to vocalize your issues with those toxic men you've spewed hatred and members of your own community and hurt people who are already vulnerable. you outright invalidated nonbinary people, claiming their relationships must boil down to either homosexual or heterosexual when they literally exist outside the binary

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Anonymous OP 2w

I'm not describing you and your partner. I'm just venting my own personal frustrations so maybe you could relate to that or gain insight on why people would be frustrated.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Why don’t you gain insight from the near 120 messages we have sent?

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Anonymous #24 2w

which also disregards several identities under the trans umbrella, such as agender. there is no opposite gender of no gender at all unless you consider genderfluid the opposite of agender

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Anonymous #15 2w

If your venting involves telling people that their identities are invalid do it somewhere else. This post and this community are not about gatekeeping.

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Anonymous #15 2w

:3

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Anonymous #15 2w

TERF

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Anonymous #15 2w

You can’t even acknowledge the harmful shit you said in an apology… wtf. “If that’s what I did” you know that’s precisely what you did and can’t even actually take responsibility for those harmful words. Just shutup already.

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Anonymous #17 2w

Yall literally just want to be mad at this point

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Anonymous #15 2w

just keep in mind in the future that forcing nonbinary people into a binary is harmful and that telling people whether or not they can call themselves queer is also harmful. you can't tell someone else how valid their own identity is. I know it's easy to get defensive when so many people respond to you this strongly, so I hope that in spite of the instinct to defend yourself you find it in yourself to reflect and take in the perspectives you've been given. may we all grow as people 🫶

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Anonymous #15 2w

And you just want to hate <3 open your heart up and be empathetic

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Anonymous #15 2w

No because say “If” I did something is NOT a real apology and is in fact a way for narcissistic manipulators to shirk any responsibility. That is not how you apologize for your incorrect and hateful behavior, this is basic shit we teach our toddlers.

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Anonymous #17 2w

I did say I was sorry though... I just said if that's what I did at the end...

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Anonymous #15 2w

Which as I pointed out is a loophole, it’s giving yourself an out so you don’t have to really acknowledge you did anything wrong. And is a classic tool of narcissists.

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Anonymous #17 2w

Now I'm being called a narcissist after i apologized. What's your gender identity 17? You another straight guy? Huh? How about when narcissists lose arguments they resort to name calling which is literally what all yall have been doing to me this entire fucking time.

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Anonymous #15 2w

when you say "if that's what I did" it comes across as you saying you don't think you actually did it, which cheapens the apology a little. like if someone said "I'm sorry if I hurt you" after punching you in the face. it wouldn't really feel like they were sorry would it? bc yeah they definetly hurt you, the if is unecessary

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Anonymous #24 2w

I agree with that 24 and I'm sorry I know what I did was wrong and I did not intend to hurt anyone's feelings. Like at all. I was giving blanket statements at the beginning and genuinely accept non binary people in the trans community and have fought for that for a long time.

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Anonymous #15 2w

I’ve already told you my identity multiple times, kinda sad that you can’t even have the common decency to remember it when I have remembered and respected your identity this entire time. I didn’t call you a narcissist, I pointed out you are using a tool often used by narcissists and that is the behavior you are displaying. Displaying narcissistic behavior does not make anyone a narcissist, how old are you? 12?

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Anonymous #17 2w

Yall are all numbers so this is confusing to me oops

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Anonymous #15 2w

Fun part is I’m aware that your little fake outrage at my usage of the term “narcissistic” was yet another distraction to obfuscate from the fact that you in fact did not actually apologize.

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Anonymous #15 2w

How can you claim to have fought for our place in the trans community when you are directly invalidating our identity by saying we are straight?

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Anonymous #17 2w

This is all anonymous I have no need to actually apologize. You are lucky you got what you got. You and 16 have been annoying this entire time and I don't seek your forgiveness so I'm not addressing you. Frankly eat my ass.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Suck my big fat they/them dih

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Anonymous #16 2w

16 I just know we would fuck like crazy irl

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Anonymous #15 2w

Frankly you can’t acknowledge that you have been in the wrong here the entire time, you decided to react defensively when we pointed out your backwards thinking. I genuinely don’t give a rats ass about your apology because it doesn’t make the things you’ve said here today right. I care that you know you were in the wrong and need to reflect inwards because you very clearly have work to do.

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Anonymous #15 2w

Enemies to lovers?

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Anonymous #16 2w

I'll literally bounce on it crazy style

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Anonymous #15 2w

Yeah I really don’t believe that you’ve fought for nonbinary people to be a part of the trans community when you JUST assigned binary genders to nonbinary people based on appearance and genitals, to argue they were heterosexual. You did not view them as a part of the community in this comment section, so I have a hard time believing you do elsewhere

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Anonymous #18 2w

Literally this person is so disingenuous

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Anonymous #15 2w

If you can meet me halfway that this whole situation is way blown out of proportion and we both have been hateful I’m down

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Anonymous #18 2w

I DIDNT MEAN TO DO THAT 18 IM SO SORRY.

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Anonymous #16 2w

Yes I'll agree and I'm sorry for invalidating you as a sexy non binary knight

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Anonymous #16 2w

We are apart of the trans community and should we together for our rights and not fight about the petty shit right? The government hates us equally

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Anonymous #16 2w

Let’s just have crazy make up sex and put our differences aside

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Anonymous #16 2w

At the end of the day the goal should be to k*Ll all billionaires. WHOS WITH ME??

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Anonymous #16 2w

THIS! Non-binary folks ARE trans folks. None of us should invalidate anyone else’s identity, our community is built on inclusivity and acceptance. The second we start in fighting about petty details we’ve lost the plot.

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Anonymous #16 2w

I'm glad 16

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Anonymous #15 2w

Non binary monarch trans fem queen lover arc

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Anonymous #18 2w

I think it was irresponsible to base identifying a relationship on sex characteristics. And for that I'm sorry. I think I was more so playing devils advocate to the way we are viewed rather than how I actually feel and act in the world. Sometimes I do that. I'll just argue for the hell of its

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Anonymous #18 2w

Estrogen be a hell of a drug let's just say that

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Anonymous #17 2w

I also completely agree with 17's last statement by the way

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Anonymous #15 2w

I mean I feel like we both agree now but still it was hurtful, and unproductive for the trans community as a whole. I think we should all collectively stop now that we can all agree we should infight

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Anonymous #16 2w

I can agree to put this conversation to rest, I’m glad it had a more productive conclusion than most.

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Anonymous #16 2w

SHOULDNT*

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Anonymous #15 2w

High key before we have crazy sloppy make up sex can you say sorry for calling me girl. Cause I’m sorry for being an ass and calling you a terf

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Anonymous #13 2w

this. like why am i only ever seen as a lesbian or straight.

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Anonymous #13 2w

Im literally in a bi4bi female n man relationship and people assume we’re both straight and nonqueer😔

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Anonymous #22 1w

Just read these comments and you’ll see :(

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Anonymous #15 1w

I agree with you. It irritates me when opposite sex couples want to claim they are queer and they seem to want to “prove how oppressed” they are and tbh it’s just disrespectful. Like I worry for my life just bc I want to be free with the one I love. You get to do that without a second thought and now you wand to claim you experience anywhere close to the same fear and oppression I do? That is so disrespectful in my book. You’re not alone. We deserve to be heard too.

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Anonymous #28 1w

They are still queer 😭 You don’t magically become a heterosexual cisgender person the moment you date someone of another sex

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Anonymous #17 1w

Wow after such an overreaction from all of you and you not giving a fuck about their community being hurt and killed by others, you make them apologize (I wouldn’t have apologized to you self righteous pieces of shit) and even an apology that you don’t deserve is not enough for you?! I think YOU and all the other assholes here owe 15 an apology actually.

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Anonymous #28 1w

hey so queer people in straight-presenting relationships are still queer people! this is what we call “bi erasure” and why the bi community often feels so unseen by others in the lgbt community.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Why do you have all these dislikes? These “queer people” do not give a single fuck about the actual lgbt community. They want to take over our community and then punish us when we dare to state FACTS about our oppression. They are oppressing us. This has gone WAY too far. Who ever let these people in wtf?! How could you people act this way towards LGBT people?! And you want to identity with US?! What a joke.

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Anonymous #11 1w

Oh nooo so sad. Some random person they don’t even know and doesn’t affect them said “they’re not queer enough” what ever would they do to recover from that? How traumatic! How deadly! Give me a fucking break. That is so disrespectful and enraging that you would sit here and BITCH about something as meaningless as that and compare it to the shit gay ppl go through while claiming you’re an ally. You don’t give a fuck about anyone but yourselves, not any gay people who ACTUALLY suffer.

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Anonymous #28 1w

Hey so I never said my partner and I are the opposite sex, just that we get seen that way sometimes. Just because my current relationship gets misinterpreted as heterosexual doesn't mean I don't understand what it means to live as an openly queer and trans person. And I never said that this was some grand oppression, just that it makes me annoyed and frustrated.

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Anonymous #28 1w

it’s not about what you do or don’t look like. it’s about your experience and life as a queer person being erased because your current relationship doesn’t fit others’ status quo. it doesn’t t matter what “type” of queer you are. we have all experienced various forms of hatred and bigotry from the world around us.

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Anonymous #28 1w

is invalidating nonbinary people by forcing them into a binary of homosexual or heterosexual and reducing them to their genitalia to do so not disrespectful? is pan and bi and omni erasure not disrespectful? how exactly does someone else saying their current hetero-presenting relationship doesn't erase an entire life of queerness invalidate you at all? now isn't the time to gatekeep who gets to be queer. people are killing us, we need all the people we can get fighting for our rights

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Anonymous #28 1w

yeah let's just pretend that other queer people attacking someone who is already attacked by heteronormative society couldn't possibly result in real harm, wow you're such a hero to the gay community. idk what pissed you off so bad but attacking other queer people bc you don't think their relationship is valid is disgusting

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Anonymous #28 1w

it's not an overreaction when 15 was tearing down nonbinary, bi, pan, and omni people and forcing all of them into a binary of either homosexuality or heterosexuality. this is genuinely harmful, and people who are nonbinary and have lived that harm first hand have every right to get angry. no one's saying your or 15's concerns are invalid, but attacking other queer people based on those concerns only causes more harm. you aren't protecting anyone

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Anonymous #28 1w

Thank you 28. It really means a lot. I have actually had some of my close friends die and I do genuinely live in fear. I never intended to target anyone specifically. I tried to explain that there are people that do this. Which is why others assume that they are straight. What I'm trying to say is that something I've dealt with is family members telling me I'm confused. And I know this is also something a lot of non binary people go through as well. But I'm sorry I know a lot of self righteous

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Anonymous #28 1w

People who call themselves queer but they just aren't that. Like professors who are old white women trying to smack labels on or dudes who wanna go by they/them and only get with afab people and do nothing to be non binary, just force others to say their pronouns to exist on a moral high ground and seem like they are involved. I'm talking about a lot of straight white people who are mad they aren't minorities or who are just trying to be inclusive when it's really harmful to a lot of us.

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Anonymous #15 1w

And like as an elder trans I feel like I should be allowed to call out some people who play in our faces. I'm not intending to come for the OP or anything. It's just genuinely there are people out there that do it. And like I'm deadass a communist. Like in my mind these are neoliberals who do this shit and play in my face. Then say I'm a nazi or conservative because I say there are straight people running around acting like they are non binary. Which hurts us all.

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Anonymous #28 1w

In my community I'm well respected and call these people out though. I don't fuck with the "straight white gays" either it's like I'm too weird for them too. It's like yall want me to say your straight boyfriend is gay and in my community? Hell no that's a toxic man. Straight gay whatever if you are punk imma fuck wit you. And imma leave it at that. For now. :3

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Anonymous #15 1w

Still waiting on my apology before our lovers arc :(

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Anonymous #24 1w

Why are we acting like these people don't exist?!!

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Anonymous #5 1w

YOU ATE THAT DOWN 5

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Anonymous #28 1w

28 are you a trans woman too?

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Anonymous #24 1w

The whole point of all of this is that these people aren't being attacked by heteronormative society.... because the relationships are heteronormative 😑.... I think at the end of the day heteronormativity is harmful to the ENTIRE QUEER COMMUNITY and it is our DUTY to not be heteronormative or make sure that that's not what it's giving. Because we need to find our community by being loud and proud! What I've been trying to say is that there are instances where heteronormative people call

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Anonymous #15 1w

Themselves queer.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Maybe there are people "faking" being nonbinary. But you don't get to decide if anyone is trans enough. You attempting to hunt down these "fakers" is invalidating nonbinary people and I truly hope that is an accident on your part. You don't get to decide whether someone is being nonbinary "correctly"

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Anonymous OP 1w

I always respect everyone's pronouns and wouldn't disrespect these people but me and the other people who are edgy trans real non binary peeps and my trans brothers and sisters will have our meeting and the council will come to a consensus on the performative bafoonery a lot of these heteronormative people call a queer relationship. Me and my trans brothers and sisters know what's good. If you know ball you know ball. And if a council of dolls and trans men don't think you are queer babes,

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Anonymous OP 1w

The writing is on the wall, because every trans person I know including myself wants to transition all of society. Like I want the whole world on HRT but if I can tell it's not right for you and the council feels the same way we just know between us. I'd never actually try to oust these people from the community bc I want a safe Space for everyone but, me n my girls n my boys just know what's good and who is doing it for attention.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Whyyyy are we spiraling again. I thought we agreed that it isn’t okay to police others. You did misgender me even if you were doing it in “gender neutral” way.

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Anonymous #16 1w

We stand strongest when we stand together as a trans community. There are bad apples everywhere in all communities but it isn’t anyone’s job to act like the gestapo or nkvd to weed them out.

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Anonymous #16 1w

I swear if you heard girl come out of my mouth it would be gender neutral, baby, im sorry for policing others. But I just feel like it has to be acknowledged that people do this. To me im not trying to police anyone, just acknowledging when something is heteronormative. We have talked about like levels of a person getting discriminated against, and how a lot of elders in the community resent the more heteronormative among us. Which is wrong. I may have struggled much more but I'm not on a moral

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Anonymous #15 1w

being in a heteronormative relationship does not make a bi person less queer but you seem either too stupid or biphobic (or both honestly) to understand that. the purpose of the community is creating a space for those whose identities go against heteronormativity. bisexuality goes against that even if the person is in a hetero-passing relationship.

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Anonymous #16 1w

High ground I promise I'm not Blaire white. I've just been fucked over and I know trans guys and non binary folks who have been victimized by men posing as people in our community literally just for ass in the moment and don't ever cultivate actual queer relationships. It just hurts all of us so much I could literally break into tears.

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Anonymous #16 1w

I'd never ostracize anyone or kick anyone out of the community. It's just like. The inner circle girls know.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Okay so your problem is more with chasers? Rather than if nonbinary people are in relationships with people of the opposite assigned sex

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Anonymous #15 1w

I appreciate your apology

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Anonymous #16 1w

Bingo, my problem is with chasers.

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Anonymous #16 1w

Because this whole issue seems to me at least be from you saying that these bad actions in ALL of the queer community make up a bigger population than in reality

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Anonymous #16 1w

That's where all of this is coming from and I've tried to say that. I'm sorry if it didn't read well I have been working and like most trans people I'm a little neurodivergent so I'm sorry if it hasn't been well written enough.

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Anonymous #15 1w

All good I am too. I felt like a lot of this could have been cleared up earlier lol

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Anonymous #15 1w

I think it might've just come out wrong/harsh at first bc you were angry, everyone struggles to word things when they're really worked up about something. you seem chill tho, thanks for doing your best to protect the community (I'm a lil neurodivergent too)

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Anonymous #16 1w

Chaser genuinely are genuinely the worst fucking people ever. So happy I’m more masc presenting even if I’m dysphoric it wards them off. t4t for life

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Anonymous #24 1w

Wording was very harsh. Nobody should have their identity invalided because of what’s in their pants. But I am so glad everything’s been cleared up

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Anonymous #15 1w

See this shit is why we didn’t believe your apology 💀 You just walked it all back. Stop being transphobic to nonbinary people and people will stop being pissed off

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High key did not see that. And I think the “whole world on hrt” thing is a little bonkers too

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Anonymous #24 1w

Did you read her most recent "apology" before accepting it? She invalidates nonbinary people again in the same breath

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Anonymous #16 1w

How are you just brushing past this??? You accept her apology when she’s still saying shit like this

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Anonymous #16 1w

Idk I’m tired and just Oraborusing this convo a million times over and over. I feel like we reach and understanding then we jump further off the diving board onto the deep end of even more bonkers takes. Like one step forward right back

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Anonymous #18 1w

I stand by all of that.

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Anonymous #16 1w

No fr that part is insane

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Anonymous #15 1w

I bet you do 💀💀💀

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Anonymous #16 1w

Yeah, I cannot tell where 15 stands tbh. It feels like one second she’s apologizing for it all, and the next she’s doubling down

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Anonymous #18 1w

But like genuinely though I thought we all reach some understanding that we need to stand together. Then I look back and we are right where we started or the topic changed.

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Anonymous #28 1w

Are you smoking actual crack?

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Anonymous #18 1w

18 I do not give a fuck I know I'm not transphobic because why? Why do I know I'm not transphobic? I fucking wonder. Because I'm the only bitch in this fucking comment section that is actually fucking going through it. Like deadass imagine calling a trans woman who is on HRT transphobic and acting like I'm a terf. And I even said I was non binary for a couple of years. But with those people? YES IM A FUCKING TERF WITH THOSE FUCKING PEOPLE IM SORRY LEAVE THE COMMUNITY NO ONE BELIEVES THEM!

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Anonymous #18 1w

Yeah. Like one second it was bouncing on my they/them dih (which I didn’t mind) but then next it was doubling down on her take. We all agree chasers are BAD FOR ALL OF US. But like that should be the topic then

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Anonymous #15 1w

How would you know you’re the only one tho

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Anonymous #15 1w

I’m a binary trans man on hormones. Tell me I’m not going through it

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Anonymous #15 1w

You are transphobic

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Anonymous #18 1w

There are people who do that. Like why is that such a crazy fucking concept to wrap your head around. I'm a trans person telling you I've seen that and it hurts all of us. Because it confuses straight people and trans people who are just trying to be normalized and integrated into society. Which I don't wanna be bc I'm punk but I don't wanna not be integrated because I'm trans, but because I'm a hot punk bitch.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Not on hormones but like I said hours ago we can go band for band on struggles

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Anonymous #15 1w

Jesus Christ y’all are still going? I thought we all agreed to put this to rest hours ago, we have tried so many times to show you grace and help you understand the things you are saying are wrong snd harmful. Just shut the fuck up, literally just fucking stop. All you’re doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself and hiding behind anonymity.

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Anonymous #16 1w

16 we settled our stuff this is different. I know you know the struggle. So it doesn't apply to you.

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Anonymous #16 1w

The people who it applies to seem to be so angry. The people who it doesn't apply to should just understand that these people exist and they harm all of us. I don't know why it's so crazy to think that people do infiltrate the community or wouldn't have any reason to. It's obviously a fad for some. Like??? Why is that so problematic to say? It's just when the government comes to get me I can't play heteronormative. When the he/they's and the she/they's get a knock on their door they'll just

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Anonymous #15 1w

I'd rather accept too many than too few

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Anonymous #15 1w

Because I often go by he/they. Because I don’t pass. That’s why it applies to me. Because I try my hardest to be comfortable in my skin but what you are saying even if not intentional is invalidating

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Anonymous #15 1w

Shape up. But not me I can't. I could get murdered tomorrow and nothing would happen. It could be by the government or by some random dl guy, but it's a real possibility that I've seen happen and these people don't really care about that. It's performative (for some) to wail in outcry for my rights and try to be inclusive for me but it doesn't do anything but hurt me in the long run.

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Anonymous #16 1w

Well 16 do you think you'd genuinely be open to being in a same sex relationship? Or have you only been with afab people? Have you been in a sexual relationship with the same sex? If it's no, yes, no. Then yes, you probably are a part of the problem. However I'm sure you are very sexy. Like I just know 16 is so hot. I just know it in my heart.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Hey so people don’t need to have been with a member of the same sex for their sexuality to be valid…. Are we handing out licenses to practicing bisexuals and gays now?

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Anonymous #17 1w

I feel like 15 is definitely like 17 years old

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Anonymous #15 1w

This IS transphobia. Firstly, you are assuming someone’s appearance, sex, and passing ability based on pronouns. Secondly you are trying to argue that nonbinary people are less queer because some can go stealth (not true on multiple levels), and lastly you are arguing that nonbinary people will not be sent to camps with the rest of us, as if there aren’t super stealth binary trans people and super clocky nonbinary people

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Anonymous #18 1w

she's saying it in a very harmful way, but I've seen what she's talking about. I've seen people deadass call their identity a choice and despite them saying they identified with the community every word and action from them was harmful. I get where 15 is coming from, even though she keeps wording it in a way that invalidates nonbinary people. I don't think she means to be harmful and I can appreciate that her intention is to protect the community

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Anonymous #24 1w

I don't think we're getting anywhere with fighting and insulting, that only leads to people getting defensive. it'll never get anyone to reflect

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Anonymous #24 1w

I don’t think that’s her intention when she literally stated earlier that she doesn’t believe she’s really a woman. She stated that she believes she’s technically a man and that her identity as a trans person was not normal. She stated that being queer as a whole was not normal. There is no way to twist that into being protective of a community she’s actively harming every step of the way.

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Anonymous #15 1w

babes you're back to being invalidating. I'm a she/they and I don't pass as heteronormative. I'm absolutely getting fucked by the government when shit hits the fan

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Anonymous #15 1w

I’ve been with both amab and afab people. Thank you for saying I’m sexy?

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Anonymous #24 1w

These people are harming actual non-binary people. Because they are quick to pose as non-binary, because it's easy to do so, because it's easy for nonbinary people to switch, so it's convenient specifically for those people. They exist. I'm not crazy. And I'm not transphobic for calling them out. I'm not talking about actual non-binary people. I'm a trans woman and I've worked for my fucking body and face card and I don't even get this fucking defensive about my identity Jesus Christ. Like I get

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Anonymous #24 1w

I'm ng| I can't appreciate that her "intention is to protect the community" while she's actively being transphobic, biphobic, and not protecting the community

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Anonymous #17 1w

she's going about it wrong, but cussing her out isn't going to teach her anything either. that's only going to push her further into toxicity. fighting doesn't help teach anyone anything. would you accept criticism from someone cussing you out?

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Anonymous #15 1w

The statement “it’s easy for non-binary people to switch” is yet again a blanket statement that is NOT true and is reductive and harmful to the entire community.

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Anonymous #15 1w

How do you decided who’s an “actual non-binary” person, 15. What makes a nonbinary person a real one?

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Anonymous #24 1w

You get how many hours this has been going on right? And with her actively insulting my identity on multiple occasions I’m supposed to be the one with respect? Respect is earned not given, and it isn’t the default.

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Anonymous #15 1w

Misgendered and threatened every single day and I tend to feel like that gets overshadowed by a lot of this dramaticism. The dramatics. More respect needs to be given to the people that talk and walk the walk. Because I've worked so hard and I'm a mother to so many tranby's. I'm literally not transphobic. Like I'm not.

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Anonymous #18 1w

Literally I’m wondering if I need to work on renewing my registration at this point

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Anonymous #15 1w

Quicky off topic question but why do you keep saying you think I’m hot or sexy?

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Anonymous #17 1w

she's insulted my identity too. I'm not saying you have to like her or have the patience to explain why it's harmful, but just cussing her out isn't doing anything to help and it's making it harder to try to show her why what's she's saying is hurtful

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Anonymous #15 1w

Simply saying that you’re not transphobic doesn’t make what you’ve said here any less egregiously transphobic

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Anonymous #18 1w

By being gender non conforming. But honestly yall have made me wanna eliminate it as a whole. Like we need to stop confusing gender expression with identity because some of yall are doing way too fucking much no shade.

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Anonymous #15 1w

I’m sorry… Eliminate what as a whole?

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Anonymous #24 1w

And I haven’t once “just cussed her out” I’ve explained my stance in depth in every comment, have I been cursing during that process? Yes, absolutely. But I’ve done more than my fair share of correcting this egregiously ignorant and intolerable behavior and yet we’re still here. So I don’t really see your point tbh.

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Anonymous #15 1w

You get how weird it is that you keep talking about restricting how people are able to identify themselves right? Like thats some dystopian bullshit if I’ve ever heard it…

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Anonymous #15 1w

I must be misunderstanding, miss “mother to so many tranby’s”… did you just say you want to eliminate the nonbinary identity as a whole?

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Anonymous #24 1w

I can’t believe it’s 1am and this is still going on. Wasn’t this post made like 7 hours ago?

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Anonymous #17 1w

I'm sorry yall aren't trans I don't give a fuck anymore if anything because of all of you I accept non binary people less. It's confusing gender expression with identity. You can be gender non conforming and not need a fucking label and not need to be put under the fucking trans umbrella. Deadass I don't wanna hear from any of you motherfuckers until you are on HRT for at least 2 years consistently because you are unable to understand the struggle of it and will deadass victimize a trans woman

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Anonymous #16 1w

15 hours ago, this shit is exhausting

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Anonymous #24 1w

Deadass??? Jesus now I know why I have a migraine

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Anonymous #17 1w

And fucking belittle me because I don't see us as the same. Get on fucking HRT and learn the struggle of the waves of emotion and dealing with how society views you and how you can't just change yourself on a daily basis. I'm doing it in the bumfuck south so you all have resources better than me. So get the fuck to it and get the fuck away from me with your playing the victim bullshit feelings about your identity being attacked. Like I have been pushed to feel this way by you fuckers.

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Anonymous #15 1w

You have in no way been victimized here, I understand that when you’re not accustomed to it that accountability can feel like you’re being attacked but that’s not what happened here. And you aren’t gonna make any of us feel bad for you because you want to keep trying to play the victim after saying hatful transphobic shit all day long. Newsflash you can be trans and still display transphobia. Self internalized hatred is real and it’s genuinely so sad. Seek therapy🫶

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Anonymous #16 1w

Can we all just stop fighting for a minute so 15 can answer my question and I can take a power nap before my final in 7 hours

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Anonymous #15 1w

I’m also born and raised in the Deep South baby, you keep making assumptions that we are all living better easier lives than you because you say so and thats also really sad. You very much have a lot you need to work out with a therapist, and I mean that with love honestly.

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Anonymous #15 1w

this isn't the way to go about it. you're back to harming your own community again. 17 and 18 aren't wrong to be angry with you, you've said a lot of extraordinarily harmful things today and frankly I don't think it's worth trying to reason with you anymore. you've insulted all of our identities and then you wanna act like a victim when people get mad about that AND you're harming trans people with trans medicalist bullshit. no one has to take hormones for their experience to be valid

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Anonymous #17 1w

I don't want your pity bitch you are a straight person thinking that you live in my shoes.

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Anonymous #17 1w

Deadass so tired of you

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Anonymous #24 1w

I'm tired of trying to be understanding

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Anonymous #15 1w

Your true feelings finally come out. Thanks for finally saying it straight up after all this time. Next time just lead with: “I’m a trans-med who doesn’t believe nonbinary people are valid and I’m super transphobic 🥰” instead of pretending you ‘fought for nonbinary people to be a part of the trans community’ 😇

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Anonymous #15 1w

Never once did I say I pity you. And again I’ve been openly out for over a decade, keep trying to invalidate my identity and call me straight. It’s not bothering me because unlike you I’m comfortable in my identity and confident in who I am.

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Anonymous #15 1w

So glad you want to hear from me! I’ve been on HRT 2+ years

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Anonymous #24 1w

The thing is I'm not a trans medicalist, but yall have deadass pushed me to this point by calling me transphobic and conservative like it's genuinely so stupid

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Anonymous #18 1w

I did but everyone in here is pissing me off to no end

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Anonymous #15 1w

We can’t “push you” into believing something. You’re letting your truth speak freely now because you’ve realized we aren’t going to accept that you were somehow a victim in this interaction. You weren’t. You were in the wrong snd were held accountable for those actions and words. Sucks to suck, grow up.

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Anonymous #15 1w

if feeling insulted can push you to invalidate such a large chunk of a community you claim to fight for you probably weren't all that accepting of them in the first place. none of us are invalidating trans people and saying you pushed us there, stop using excuses

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Anonymous #15 1w

You’re being called transphobic BECAUSE YOURE SAYING TRANSPHOBIC SHIT. It’s that simple

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Anonymous #24 1w

Real we just tear each other down over small things and those who want to oppress us win

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Anonymous #16 1w

bro me too, that's why I checked out for a few hours

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Anonymous #15 1w

If you caved into invalidating nonbinary people and being transphobic because some people on yikyak got angry that you were being transphobic, maybe, just maybe, you were transphobic this whole time 😭

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Anonymous #18 1w

This is why contrapoints don't even fw yall anymore

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Anonymous #15 1w

Like typebeat

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Anonymous #24 1w

Literally I took a nap and y’all were still at it. This is just insane atp

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Anonymous #24 1w

I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY SAID I WAS SEXY. I wanna pass tf out then bomb my sociology midterm cause I’ve been here for a billion hours

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Anonymous #16 1w

exactly, all this infighting is only helping homophobes and transphobes tear the community apart and take our rights away

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Anonymous #15 1w

What? I’m a binary trans man. We’ve been over this

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Anonymous #17 1w

I took a nap too, genuinely just recovered from the migraine from hell

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Anonymous #24 1w

Sad part is we tried to make her understand that earlier and even all agreed to put the conversation to bed. Then she kept going anyways.

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Anonymous #24 1w

Ah all the queers got hit with the migraine of death today it seems 😂

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Anonymous #24 1w

I can feel my brain and soul melt as I scroll through this page. I went to dinner with my friends for a bit but like omg my brains on fire

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Anonymous #16 1w

Also real quick you mentioned it earlier so I wanted to say, good luck on your finals 16!!!!

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Anonymous #17 1w

as if being queer wasn't hard enough already bro 😭

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Anonymous #16 1w

good luck with your midterm! def put the phone down and get some rest, you don't wanna take that test with a migraine. maybe drink some water too 🫶

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Anonymous #24 1w

Tis a weakness we must live with, God knew if he didn’t give the queers massive migraines and tummy problems we’d simply be too powerful to stop.

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Anonymous #17 1w

Midterms actually so fucking headache rn but THANK YOU <333

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Anonymous #16 1w

I’m prescribing everyone in this comment thread 2 Tylenol and lots of rest!

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Anonymous #17 1w

at least we aren't alone in our suffering. Imma need god to stop nerfing me tho, like bro I'm disabled enough already have mercy

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Anonymous #24 1w

Yeah ig I’ll fill my brita up or smth before I take it. Someone like blow me up or smth if 15 ever answers my question. Ty so much though <3

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Anonymous #24 1w

Thats actually so real, I just got out of the ER yesterday for a toothache. Please just let me have ONE day lord

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Anonymous #16 1w

I will let you know because I’m genuinely curious about the answer as well

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Anonymous #17 1w

oh god toothaches suck ass. hope you're feeling better and if you aren't I hope you feel better very soon

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Anonymous #24 1w

The doctors were ever so gracious enough to give my uninsured ass some beautiful pain meds. Doctors truly are angels sometimes, I appreciate the concern! Hope the migraine is better!

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Anonymous #18 1w

18 you don't think is like just a very clear different experience? Like puberty 2 type shit like you know that shit is literally so crazy... like you get really aged by puberty 2 in my opinion. At the end of the day. Trans means having to grow up in an identity that you were not born with. For example- changing your name. Howabout this- we are only trans if we publicly change our names as well, I feel like that's valid. Would yall maybe agree with that? Hot take? Like if you make your parents-

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Anonymous #15 1w

Call you something else! Or closest friends know you by a diff name~ you know?

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Anonymous #15 1w

Okay I’m genuinely asking out of curiosity at this point, how old are you #15?

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Anonymous #17 1w

glad to hear it! pain meds are saving graces from the heavens. the migraine mostly cleared up thankfully, but it took like 6 hours of laying in a pitch black room

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Anonymous #17 1w

No because like. Also sidenote.. those were two separate messages.. one for the group - oops

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Anonymous #17 1w

But I said I was 25 :3

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Anonymous #17 1w

But I'm also super stoned

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Anonymous #15 1w

Whyyyy do you think I am sexyyyyy

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Anonymous #15 1w

hold up, you're 25 and calling yourself an elder trans??? bro that's not even kind of elder. I feel like the minimum age for elder is, like, 45

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Anonymous #24 1w

I think mine is finally clearing up after torturing me for like 10 hours, glad to hear everyone’s feeling better!

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Anonymous #15 1w

That’s all. I’m going to bed

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Anonymous #16 1w

probably bc she's stoned tbh

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Anonymous #24 1w

I mean yeah but she said it earlier like hours ago

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Anonymous #16 1w

I just wanna get killed by my midterm with my biggest question answered

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Anonymous #16 1w

maybe she's been stoned the whole time? would explain a lot

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Anonymous #24 1w

Maybe? Idk i can’t stand being stoned or drunk for that long

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Anonymous #24 1w

I have a very young community plus lowkey I be mothering the mothers I'm kinda like the pearl from Steven universe of my community but like also misa amane type beat too~ I've like been gay and worked in the community. I think a lot of community work gets you respect where I live. I take care of everyone~

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Anonymous #18 1w

Dropping the Webster dictionary definition of transgender and then going to bed is BDE and idc what your gender identity is that holds true for all genders.

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Anonymous #15 1w

except for nonbinary people who piss you off apparently

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Anonymous #24 1w

I’ve also been stoned this entire time, I’m not sure I’d be sane at this point if I hadn’t been.

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Anonymous #16 1w

I giggled

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Anonymous #17 1w

sadly any drug usage makes my migraines worse, so I've had the displeasure of being stone-cold sober this entire time. am very tired

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Anonymous #24 1w

That’s so fucking real

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Anonymous #24 1w

Oh dear, you poor thing. I felt my heart break for you a lil bit there.

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Anonymous #15 1w

What are you replying to there are so other messages

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Anonymous #17 1w

17 can we hug it out again yall im so fucked up LMFAO

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Anonymous #17 1w

SKSKSKSK

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Anonymous #15 1w

YALL BOTH HAVE ME GIGGLING SKSHHGYVDDV

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Anonymous #17 1w

yeah, I think it's bed time for me. I'm too sober for whatever tf is happening with 15 lol

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Anonymous #16 1w

Somebody put the bat signal up or smth if she ever responds

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Anonymous #17 1w

good night and have a good high, remember to hydrate and have snackies

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Anonymous #16 1w

I genuinely don’t know what’s happening anymore

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Anonymous #24 1w

Good night everyone sleep well and feel better tomorrow

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Anonymous #24 1w

Well goodnight friend, I’m also deeply confused.

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Anonymous #17 1w

It’s bed time ig. Nice talking with yall. see yall again in the morning ig maybe?

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Anonymous #15 1w

15 I want you to know that I’ve got no hate for you. I definitely came off strong but one thing y’all wouldn’t have any way of know about me is that transphobia is one my top 3 topics I don’t play about and get heated over easily. And to be frank you said some deeply transphobic and problematic shit today. That being said, I don’t want to fight with people within my community. I don’t want to squabble over arbitrary labels when the only label that genuinely matters is queer; which we all are.—

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Anonymous #17 1w

—I don’t think you’re a bad person and I genuinely hope you’ve gained something from this conversation with all of us today. I want the people in our community to grow, because as much as some members in it annoy me sometimes I genuinely love all queer people so much. There is something so uniquely beautiful about getting to experience queerness and none of us should take that for granted. If you want to chat about your beliefs or whatever I’m always down.

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Anonymous #16 1w

Oooh groupchat maybe?👀 lol

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Anonymous #17 1w

Would be hype

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Anonymous #16 1w

Yall seem like chill people. 24 even came around. BUT 15 WONT ANSWER MY QUESTION

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Anonymous #16 1w

Okay bed for real more tomorrow. Sleep well

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Anonymous #15 1w

The fact that you’re 25 makes it worse actually. If you were 17 or 18 years old I’d be like well I mean I guess it makes sense but 25 just mean a whole other thing. Time to mature man

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Anonymous #15 1w

bi/pan/omni individuals are still queer when they're in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender, and people still struggling to accept the queer parts of themselves are still queer. a bi woman dating a man is no less proud of who she is, and saying she's hurting the queer community by being herself hurts the queer community far more. those people do still face issues with heteronormative society. for example: a bi person might be in a straight-presenting relationship and still be

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Anonymous #24 1w

labelled a slut/whore/cheater, simply bc they're attracted to more than one gender. you don't get to decide what is or isn't 'queer enough'. you're doing more harm than good. do better.

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Anonymous #16 1w

just want to clarify that I didn't mean that the harmful things 15 said were okay at all, I naively believed she was going to try to learn and be a better person and I didn't want fighting or insults to impede that growth. I was wrong tho, 15 clearly has no intention of growing and I'm sorry to 17 and 18 for saying they weren't helping. I was being too permissive (idk if that's the right word, words are hard) and that does more harm than good

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Anonymous #16 1w

if you've already taken your midterm, I hope it went well and I hope you treat yourself for working so hard 🫶

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Anonymous #24 1w

Thank you <3 it actually went pretty well

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Anonymous #24 1w

I have no need to prove to any of you the work I've done for the community and the life I lived. I know I'm not the way yall say I am. I'm not fucking transphobic, because I'm as trans as it fucking gets. I haven't called anyone transphobic, I haven't said anyone hated themselves, I just stated my own personal opinion that there are people out there who act like us for attention. And a lot of you are up in arms because that's what you are doing. Attacking me and essentially calling me a nazi.

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Anonymous #16 1w

we love to see it! get that education and make all the homophobes and transphobes mad

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Anonymous #17 1w

But I'm not a nazi.

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Anonymous #17 1w

You are a number to me and I'm a number to you. We have not been equally hateful. I've said blanket statements while everyone else has assumed things about me and targeted me.

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Anonymous #15 1w

no, we're angry bc in your anger with performative gays you're actively harming bi/pan/omni/nonbinary people and forcing all of them into a binary of either straight or queer. which isn't how it works btw. I'm pan and genderfluid, I'm no less valid than you just bc I'm telling you you're being harmful. I don't have to prove my queerness to you

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Anonymous #17 1w

I can agree with a lot of what everyone said but non of you went about it in the right way to formulate a productive conversation.

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Anonymous #15 1w

So I lashed out at the end because people kept on going and kept on talking about me so I stopped caring.

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Anonymous #15 1w

blanket statements aren't productive and I tried to be understanding with you. you used everyone's anger as an excuse to be hateful. you aren't a victim here.

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Anonymous #15 1w

You said that you wanted to eliminate nonbinary people as a whole. That is transphobic. Plain and simple. Obviously people are going to be upset

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Anonymous #24 1w

Yessss. I’ve been super locked in. It’s so nice to be away from home

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Anonymous #18 1w

I was pushed to saying that. I don't believe that. But yall are taking gender expression too seriously and it's making each of you insufferable.

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Anonymous #16 1w

I’m so sorry you have that conversation at the same time as this thing

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Anonymous #15 1w

that's not how it works. no one else is responsible for your words. take acountability, holy shit

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Anonymous #30 1w

It’s okay lol I said what I needed to say yesterday. All this is good practice for me anyways. I’m studying public policy rn and this was a great learning experience

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Anonymous #24 1w

All good and ik people come from different understandings and backgrounds. What matters most is we reached common ground

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Anonymous #24 1w

You know when someone says they don't think I'm trans I say I don't care what they think and I fucking move on. Because I can't control what comes out of everyone's mouth and mind and control how people perceive me. Yall are so up your own asses that you can't even see that you all antagonized a trans woman because yall don't know how to pass as non binary. News flash! No one cares about anyone's identity. All yall did was name call me for saying that some people in the community do this like-

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Anonymous #15 1w

except I didn't fucking name call you and genuinely tried to sympathize with you after you tried to force nonbinary people into a binary. if you can't see how fucking harmful it is to say everyone is either straight or gay when there are so many of us in this community that exist outside of binaries, I can't help you. or the harm in ignoring genderqueer people, saying they have no place in the community if they have sex with someone with different genitals and aren't on hormones, that's on you.

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Anonymous #24 1w

It is our responsibility to work and change to be perceived the way that we want to be perceived. Your own destiny is in your hands and nobody else's. You guys need to understand that you are giving power to other people this way. That is the power of acceptance and approval. No one owes an apology for how they feel and non of you owe an apology to me either. I genuinely know I'm not transphobic and anonymous opinions don't matter to me. But yalls reactions show that you place too much care into

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Anonymous #24 1w

you can't claim to be a protector while actively causing harm. that'd be like a conservative gay saying they protect their community while they attack trans people.

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Anonymous #15 1w

What others think of you. And strive to be unique and different which is okay, but if you are gonna go against the grain of society you have to release yourself from the need for approval. From anyone.

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Anonymous #15 1w

no tf it isn't. cisgendered people are allowed to be tomboys/femboys, they're allowed to look however they want and still be perceived as the gender they identify with. if you truly believe trans people to be equal you should support their right to look however they want and still be perceived as the gender they identify as

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Anonymous #16 1w

It really REALLY dosent look like it

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Anonymous #24 1w

And my point is I'm not causing harm because you are giving my words way more power than they have. Words are just words feelings are just feelings. Two things can be true at once. We came to the conclusion that dl people were the problem and chasers were the problem.

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Anonymous #15 1w

words do have power, and they can cause more harm than you realize. if you want to be a safe space for people you can't turn around and invalidate them. reflect and stop acting like you speak for all trans people everywhere, you don't.

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Anonymous #30 1w

Guh

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Anonymous #16 1w

High key just been chilling

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Anonymous #15 1w

Will you ever tell me why you think I’m sexy :(

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Anonymous #15 1w

Nah see the last thing I said to you was genuinely polite and gave you way more grace than you deserved. Yet you are still justifying your behavior and trying to victimize yourself. YOU WERE WRONG. You are not a victim. So genuinely SHUT THE FUCK UP. Transphobic TERF garbage. You aren’t getting any more interaction out of me, you clearly just want attention and it’s pathetic. Muted.

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Anonymous delirious 1d

How does the way random people, who don’t even know you enough to know your sexuality apart from straight, when they see you with your partner, somehow erase your entire identity?? I agree we have all been unjustly treated in this society and it’s not okay

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Anonymous #28 1d

1. the oppression you face in one situation does not erase or reduce how a straight-presenting queer person is often denied or treated badly in their own (queer) spaces because of the assumptions others make. same way that passing is a privilege yet can deprive someone of a space they belong to. 2. why we responding to a week-old post 😭

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