Anonymous #2 1w

True!! All of this comes down to a stigma surrounding puberty

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Anonymous OP 1w

We prepare kids for the physical changes (if you’re lucky; I live in the south but I did have pretty comprehensive sex ed in 5th grade that explained all the changes and how to properly deal with them), but they never discussed emotional changes and coping skills.

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Early puberty isnt an inherently bad thing and often doesn’t require medical intervention. And most children go through early puberty (me included) fine. To put them on preventative meds “just in case” they have those problems is reductive because its not a one size fits all situation.

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

I apologize that i didnt clarify in my post, but i meant “ kids with early puberty “ not all kids.

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Anonymous OP 1w

TO PREVENT early puberty.. and in a comment I explained that I meant anyone who started early should automatically be recommended blockers . I’d say that yes..it should be HEAVILY recommended for young children bc it can be traumatic. Nowhere does that say all children should be put on horomone blockers lmfao

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

I literally just clarified what i meant and apologized for unintentionally misrepresenting your argument dude.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I replied before you said that? 😭 what do you want from me

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

No you didnt. You just jumped onto arguing so swiftly you didnt see i swiftly followed up. Before you replied mind you.

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Unnecessary medical intervention to reduce trauma instead of working to reduce the social conditions that actually cause the trauma is reductive and lazy ngl. Puberty shouldn’t be villainized, and due to numerous global factors puberty is happening earlier and earlier in children. Punish bullies making kids feel bad for going through natural processes. Don’t medically intervene in the process to reduce the potential for being bullied when there’s no other medical purpose

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Anonymous OP 1w

My WiFi is slow girl I didn’t get that reply until after I said smthn back 😭so genuinely yes I did! Considering it’s my first reply to YOUR image

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Whatever the nitpicky details are, this is still not a one size fits all situation. I along with many others did fine with early puberty and while that may not be the case for some, puberty blockers arent a magic pill for “less trans people”

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Anonymous #2 1w

Thatssss so lame to me.idk. This puts all the pressure onto the children. Ppl love playing pretend and living in a world where bullies don’t exist and society isn’t… society.. but it is. This doesn’t stop the girls who develop large chests early from being oversexualized by peers and other far worse things? Same goes for boys who grow facial hair very young

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Anonymous OP 1w

Again… read the comments or don’t say anything 😭 “less severely dysphoric trans people”

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

It’s lame to promote social growth instead of literally stunting an otherwise healthy child’s development? Ofc bullying will always exist, but we as a society can come together to insure the consequences of bullying fall on the bullies (and the adults who allowed it to happen) instead of the victims. Putting them on medicine that tells them they’re wrong for developing doesn’t fix it either, and actually makes it worse. It’s a bandaid on a bullet wound

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Anonymous #2 1w

hey I don’t agree with likeee a lot of this but genuinely stfu. I developed very large boobs as a little girl and it led to numerous accounts of S/A, bullying and body image problems to the point I couldn’t look in mirrors for about 3 years… yes I would have rather had the puberty blockers but I live in conservativeville. You don’t get to speak for me thx

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Anonymous #2 1w

What is the social growth? If anything things are getting worse as children have more and more access to sexual media and less access to sex ed!

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Anonymous #4 1w

So did I. I was a d cup by 13 years old. But you know who sexualized me the most? Adults. Grown ass adults. And you know where my peers who may have learned it from? Watching the adults. The solution is not to tell children their natural development is wrong. That is so incredibly harmful. The solution is to punish those who sexualized them. If you want to go for it. But to call it a solution for all is simply lazy and placing blame and harm onto the developing child

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

So,,, youre saying put children with early puberty on horomones blockers in case theyre trans? Because that still doesn’t make sense. Hormone blockers are amazing for some people but not for others but to put all children with early puberty on blockers IN CASE they’re trans is so nonsensical

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Also you DID say “less trans ppl” pls reread your post 🫩 you said puberty blockers wouldve led to less trans people.

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Anonymous #2 1w

okay and I was a d cup by 10? At first it’s the adults that were the worst, but then it’s videos taken by classmates, COCSA on the bus, in the gym etc.. at least you were in middle school??? And you should know that there is absolutely no “social growth” this is going to change anyone’s mind en masse automatically.. so more young girls/kids should suffer bc of this? Like wtf is ur point

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’m not saying it can’t be an option at all. But to think it’s the SOLUTION is just plain dumb, and I’m sorry. Every person that develops early should not be put on puberty blockers. It wont reduce the amount of trans people like oop is saying, and theres very little evidence it will reduce interpersonal harm that those who develop early face. What it will do is send a message that sexualizing children is ok as long as they’re developed, so children must do everything they can do prevent develo

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Anonymous #4 1w

You’re placing the burden on the developing child. How is that helpful to anybody? The burden must solely be placed on those who are causing the harm. Developing is not causing harm. Others are. Punish them. We as a society should not accept any other solution. Social outcasting goes to those who are bullying and sexualizing children. Not children who are developing younger. Ever

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean I think the in case they are trans is a good point.. not logically but it follows my thought process a bit. BC Yk… delates puberty= more time to start transitioning care but that’s just my own selfish way of thinking as a trans woman. But i think in general horomone blockers should be way more recommended than they are for precocious puberty. Is that really that radical?

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

It IS used when it’s medically necessary (current safety standards are set at before 8 for female patients and 9 for male patients). What do you reasonably want to see changed about that? What necessities do you feel there need to be? How will changing those things actually make the impact you want to see?

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Yes, i understand that selfish way of thinking because that is your personal experience and i genuinely hold space for that. But to put all children who present puberty early on hormone blockers in case theyre trans just isnt realistic and cant be done in any logical way without making it seem like some conspiracy.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Okay and I disagree. ACTUALLY any female going through puberty at a certain age below average who seems to be developing at an alarming rate should have puberty blockers automatically considered as a healthcare option. Idk abt what OP is saying.. but this promotes a healthier childhood and decreases the risk of dysmorphia, depression, body image issues and S/A. I like those odds much better

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Anonymous #2 1w

I just don’t think it’s actually happening. Maybe in the northern states. But not in the south or southeast.

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Anonymous #4 1w

It IS when they are below 8 years old. That is something discussed. So like I asked them, what do you want to be changed and how will that give the result you want to see? Average age of onset of puberty is also dropping, so how do we address that? What change do you actually want to see? What issues do you actually have with the current system?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Im not arguing against puberty blockers for early puberty. I think it should be done on a case by case basis with a medical professional, but not because “they may be trans”. Thats just not a good reason to put anyone on medication. I started my period at 8. I experienced early puberty and i understand that in a good amount of cases puberty blockers are the best medical treatment. But the justification of children being put on them “in case theyre trans” is silly and shouldnt precede medical adv

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

It is 100% happening across the country that intervention via puberty blockers for precocious puberty is a medical necessity. Which is what you’re addressing. So is your issue with the age puberty onset is considered early what you actually have a problem with? Or are you just arguing about something you’re half knowledgeable about just to argue?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Lowk if it actually is then why wasn’t I recommended them

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Anonymous #2 1w

Bump it up to age 10

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

But *why* bump it up to age 10? About 57.5% of females begin puberty by age 10. Why do you believe nearly 60% of the female born population needs to be on puberty blockers?

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean yeah thank you for getting it, again I don’t want all these children to be on blockers, I want it to be pushed more 😭😭 and the age to be raised

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Anonymous #4 1w

Did you start puberty before age 8? And did your parents actually discuss those concerns with a doctor?

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Anonymous #2 1w

If ~60% start at age ten, that’s the majority.. that means anyone starting before 10 is the minority and should be recommended puberty blockers until 10 years old

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

Start BY age 10. Meaning 60% start puberty between 8-10. Meaning the minority of the population is AFTER 10

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Anonymous #2 1w

I most likely started around 8-9. And no. AGAIN I live in a conservative area. Your logic hurts children with conservative parents. They do not believe in horomone blockers lmao and no local pediatrician would recommended them to a young “ healthy developing girl “ she’s becoming a woman ofc 😆 if I had D cups by age 10 I should’ve been on puberty blockers at or before that age to temporarily cease development until I was older. It’s that simple

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Anonymous #4 1w

If you started at 8-9 then you did not have a precocious puberty and that’s why it wasn’t considered at the time. Puberty that starts BEFORE 8 in females is when it’s considered currently (since 8 is the average age of onset) assuming you have no other medical issues that would require them ofc. My logic does not hurt conservative children’s access to puberty blockers in the case of precocious puberty? I’m openly advocating for their use when necessary???? But only when they are

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Anonymous #2 1w

No lol the stats say most start by 10.. going into ages 10-13. This is also forgetting their are diferent stages of puberty. Puberty should need delayed when developement is exceeding the average. Specifically breast budding or intense b/o and armpit hair growth ( usually happening at ages 12+) starting at age 8 or 9 is still considered early

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

I’m not disagreeing with prescribing them to children who need it. You’re saying give them to any child that begins puberty before age 10 (which is over half) and this will somehow??????? make less trans people. You’re making zero sense here

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Anonymous #2 1w

and like the other person is saying,,,, you kinda are ignoring the stages of puberty. You don’t begin puberty with chest development. Especially so fast

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Anonymous #2 1w

No. That is not what I am saying. Sincerely gtfo all you people have done is twist my words when I have elaborated multiple times over. What are you getting out of this

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Anonymous cherrycherryblossom 1w

to be frank i think this whole discussion is arbitrary in the american healthcare system. like even if we “bump it to age 10” that doesn’t mean that everyone who starts puberty under 10yrs old will actually have access to this, it likely wouldn’t change in a grand way

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Anonymous #2 1w

I agree whole heartedly with the place the blame on the assailant, not the victim which is the mentality being used in these comments.

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Anonymous #4 1w

It literally doesn’t lower the rate of sa! Children assaulted all the time even if they don’t have size d boobs. Also breast growth starts at age 8-10! Menstruation starts around 12-13

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Anonymous #6 1w

yes tf it would don’t tell me that. I wouldn’t have gotten SA’s for having big boobs at that age.. IF I DIDNT HAVE THEM. I was SPECIFICALLY TARGETED for that reason. Choke

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Anonymous #4 1w

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of boobless children who get sa’d every year. Either way that’s still the fault of the abuser and not you developing. Please get a therapist to work through that

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Anonymous #2 1w

As if I didn’t get SA’d for other reasons too? I’m saying, specifically, having big boobs at a young age made me a very unique target for SA and COCSA. That is the OBJECTIVE truth. It made me more likely than my peers to be subjected to assault, sexual comments etc. Don’t tell me to go to therapy when you are claiming having a big chest had zero correlation to my sexual assaults. This is literally just fact.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’m not saying that it didn’t. What I’m saying is telling children that they need to be medicated to have a smaller chest to avoid sexual assault is fucking bullshit and such a dangerous precedent. Should we also ban short skirts? Should we also ban all alcohol and pot? Should we ban bars? Should we put fat kids on ozempic to prevent bullying? Or should we punish those at fault and work to reduce the other social factors contributing to them choosing to be criminals?????????

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Anonymous #4 1w

You’re just victim blaming but in a woke way and I’m sorry but I’m not fucking putting up with it. I’m sorry you haven’t been able to heal from that experience but I refuse to support policy that results from that. As a multiple rape victim, btw, both childhood and teen. It’s not my fault and I won’t fall into the trap that it is

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Anonymous #2 1w

But if a smaller chest for a little bit longer as a young child HELPS prevent assault bc the danger of having a big chest is glaring.. it makes sense. It’s not even just about S/A. Having such heavy weight on a small frame impacts development, posture and agility. It can prevent participation in sports. It’s not stopping development entirely. It’s waiting until the body is bigger so it can handle the development, or moreso it’s appropriate to the relative size of the body.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Nobody is “victim blaming.” It’s a solution to a problem that is multi-faceted and not easily solvable. You cannot control someone else’s actions. You cannot control how another parent raises their child. You also cannot reasonably punish other children to how they react to someone “different” if the reactions are non-physical, in most cases. That is just how schools are about bullying. And it’s not all physical assault anyways.

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Anonymous #4 1w

You 100% can punish children for non physical bullying the fuck? But also this goes beyond just punishment but natural consequences. We should not accept a society in which girls feel the need to hide their bodies to protect themselves. We should promote a society that emboldens them and shuns people who make them feel they should. If you want to discuss the physical/medical issues, let’s do that. That I always support. But social stigma? Fuck no. That’s a social problem we attack socially

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Anonymous #2 1w

Schools don’t really give a fuck. SOMETIMES im sure they do. But in every small remark or comment, sexual or degrading made by another child, teachers ignore it. If they say something, the student shuts up but disciplinary action isn’t taken. If it is taken, the comments just go around even more among other students. YOU are the one putting the burden on the child. Virtue signaling doesn’t help anyone. We can promote a society where ppl can treat others normally, doesn’t mean it happens.

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Anonymous #2 1w

So. when I said basically mentioned the mental/physical issues and also SA… you took the problem with SA and Ignored whatever else I said. AND NOW you want to talk about the other things? seems like you are the one who needs therapy. I’m sorry you were assaulted. I was and I know it’s bc of my chest size. I can come to terms with that. And if I had something to stop the development it would’ve been different. Nowhere does that indicate it was my fault. Nowhere am I blaming myself or a victim.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Ok well I got sa’d as a child for years and I didn’t develop breasts until later. Most children who are sa’d are bc the fucking creeps like kids

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Anonymous #6 1w

okay? so again, obviously it’s you projecting and being pissed at me for stating my truth? I never said only kids who develop early get SA’d. And you actually bring up the difference in your last sentence. Most of my SA wasn’t by adults who liked kids, it was by other kids who liked big boobs lmfao. Or saw them as an object and not a part of me. I’m sorry what I said upset you, but stfu next time.

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Anonymous #6 1w

oops I didn’t realize u weren’t #2, comment still applies tho! ❤️

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Anonymous #4 1w

“Schools don’t care so we should accept that reality and put kids on medications they don’t need and make it their problem instead of fighting for social change to support them” ok loser

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Anonymous #4 1w

My point still stands too. My SA ended after 8 years once my breast started coming in bc he was no longer interested. So for the large majority of child victims puberty had a benefit so what ab them? Stunting my growth would have allowed that to keep happening

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Anonymous #6 1w

So sorry but you’re experience isn’t the only one so maybe you could stfu

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Anonymous #6 1w

When tf did I say they had a benefit? This is YOU projecting. I was also preyed upon by normal pedos too, so again, what is your point? I was also uniquely targeted bc I was seen as a little woman and not a child with boobs. And if it was delayed, there’s a higher chance I would’ve been treated normally for a few more years by my peers and adults. Read what I said again, and then get out of my notifs.

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Anonymous #4 1w

you both are projecting your experiences as universal. for some young girls it is beneficial to start developing because their abuser will now leave them alone. for others developing causes more attention and abuse. this isn’t a one size fits all scenario and it should be up to the kids and their parents to make these decisions

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Anonymous #5 1w

Bingo

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Anonymous #5 1w

This has been my whole point. That’s why I don’t think hormone blockers should be recommended to every child experiencing early puberty. I was using my experience to explain that just bc #4 experienced it one way where hormones could’ve helped, doesn’t mean it would help every single person

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