Anonymous #1 4w

every country may do it, but they don’t do it to this level of violence

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Anonymous OP 4w

When people physically oppose law enforcement that’s kind of bound to happen, no? Is law enforcement supposed to not do their job because people don’t like the law?

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Anonymous #1 4w

well, what happened to freedom of speech? maybe if enforcement was actually doing their job correctly instead of arresting everyone with a Hispanic last name or anyone who looks brown regardless of their legal status, or kicking over memorials of victims or even going into places that are supposed to be safe Havens.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Do you really think physically interfering with a federal law enforcement agent is the same as protesting?

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Anonymous #1 4w

do you think shooting an unarmed person is right? I hope that you never experience what it is to fear for your life, your future in this country and fear for your parents lives and fear that you may never see them again just because some ICE agent didn’t do their paperwork correctly or just a misunderstanding. For me, that’s a daily occurrence

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not sure what any of that has to do with the concept that it is federal immigration officials’ job to enforce immigration law. If you directly interfere you are committing a felony, and unfortunate things happen when crimes are committed. I believe in America and our justice system to rectify mistakes law enforcement makes. If someone gets arrested that shouldn’t be, I expect them to fight and win in court for their release and rectification.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m sorry you are fearful, but fear should not supersede the law

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Anonymous #1 4w

We already did enforce immigration, that’s different than having a state paramilitary force that murders civilians on the street

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Anonymous #1 4w

ICE does not follow the law.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Genuine 2 questions for you: Is interfering with federal agents performing their jobs legal? Why are these incidents occurring in Minnesota at much higher rates than anywhere else? This is a Jewish forum so I’m not gonna let this go too far down the political deep end, but to say that deporting people here illegally is somehow against Jewish values is a butchering of Judaism

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Anonymous #1 4w

These incidents are happening in Minnesota because ICE has been deployed en masse to Minnesota, in larger numbers than have ever been sent anywhere as part of any operation before now If they do the same in other states, expect to see the same thing happen in them

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Anonymous #1 4w

"Terrible things are happening outside. Helpless people are being taken from their homes, families are torn apart and men, women and children are separated. Sometimes children come back from school to find their parents gone. No one knows when it will end." -Anne Frank diary, 1942

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Anonymous #2 4w

Oh look, more Holocaust universalism. Stop knee jerk comparing our biggest tragedy to things that share one Sliver of similarity and nothing else. Comparing the forced encampment of native born citizens and the attempted deportation of illegal immigrants is not even apples and oranges. It’s apples and space monkeys

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Anonymous #2 4w

Quite the playbook

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Anonymous #1 4w

Literally the only thing that would have kept you from supporting the Nazis in the 1940’s is the fact that you’re Jewish. That’s it nothing else because the Nazis were just following orders & getting rid of the criminals who were hurting the country. Also you understand the holocaust didn’t start with gas chambers & was instead a fast evolving series of actions by the government over the span of 10 years. The reason for the comparison is because the same stuff that’s happening now in the US

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Anonymous #2 4w

Happened in Germany before they got to the gas chambers. We’re looking at history & trying to stop it before it gets the gas chambers since again it’s repeating. You know the whole those who don’t understand history are doomed to repeat it.

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Anonymous #2 4w

You say it’s the same. I say it’s not the same. Hitler painted art and had a dog, if you do too then you’re pretty much the same as Hitler. No one is rounding up families and putting them into labor or death camps. No one is advocating for that. No one is questioning their humanity. People who came in illegally get removed. Very basic immigration law, and does not in fact conflict with Jewish values in the slightest.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I feel like you have to be trying to rage bait because there’s no way you’re legitimately this ignorant. I refuse to believe you genuinely believe this because if that’s how you truly feel I fear only a lobotomy can save you

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Anonymous #2 4w

How about this: How SHOULD immigration law be enforced?

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Anonymous #1 4w

I just want to reiterate you were extremely wrong in your last statement as far as what’s happening but as for what should happen. The process to come into the country legally should be changed to make it much easier. The only difference between us & most immigrants is paperwork that’s it. Anyone committing serious crimes should be caught, tried, and locked up if need be so not much changing there.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Okay so change the system for the next people, sure. We could probably all get behind simplifying the process. And for the people who already broke the law and are here illegally? How should they be deported? Because they were already offered a free plane ride and $3000 to go on their own

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Anonymous #1 4w

You understand that a large percentage of undocumented migrants are already known by the government & that’s before Trump. Like Ice loves going to immigration court & detaining people. Idk if you can comprehend what that means In case you don’t it means that many while already here are actively going through the process to try & make sure they’re here legally. I say let them keep doing that without fear. Like unless they commit a major crime I really don’t see the issue

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Anonymous #2 4w

I could understand you believing this and standing by it, it makes complete sense. But what I don’t understand is you seeing no issue with it. Why would we want to wait until someone who shouldn’t be here in the first place commits a crime to remove them? One single American life lost to someone who shouldn’t be here as is is already an avoidable tragedy. Even if the rate is 2%, that’s 2% higher than 0

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Anonymous #1 4w

A killer clown killed a person killer clowns make up less then 2% of all clowns but you don’t understand we need to ban all clowns we can’t wait until another clowns. 2% is still more then 0

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Anonymous #2 3w

The difference is not the size of the fraction of the group, it's about a completely avoidable tragedy. •.. If clowns weren't allowed into the country but we let all of them in anyways but one single one goes rogue and kills people, that's something that could've and should’ve been avoided from the start. Why doesn't that life lost matter? American citizens have a right to be in America, no one else does. The rest is a privilege

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Anonymous #1 3w

I mean the Nazis said the same thing. Jews are violent criminals ruining our society. We need to get rid of all them to avoid any future harm. The laws made it so Jews legally were being detained. Also why don’t the lives of all the immigrants fleeing countries that we ravaged through sanctions, coups, funding of death squads & far right dictators matter? Lastly let’s say you don’t care about morals or the lives of people who don’t look like you. From a purely selfish perspective mass

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Anonymous #2 3w

Deportations will still hurt you due to the economic impact that they have on the economy. Also the Nazis started by doing mass deportation but quickly switched to killings when they realized how much more expensive deportations were. They tried hard to keep the killings secret from the public as well. Plus the first concentration camp wasn’t in Germany. Anyways & unrelated but have you heard of El Salvador & Cecot or how a bunch of people detained & held at Alligator Alcatraz went missing.

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Anonymous #2 3w

You’re comparing apples to oranges again. Nazis took people who were there legally and deemed them enemies of the state and put them in camps. The US is seeking people who snuck into the country or overstayed their visas in order to send them back to their home country where they can try again the legal way. They were offered cash to go. The immigrants lives DO matter. They matter but to the US government not more than US citizens. And you disagree on that, ok that’s fine, but I disagree

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Anonymous #2 3w

Are you arguing the entire operation to deport is bad, that the system is disorganized and people aren’t getting treated in the process as well as they should be, or both? Because I’ll agree with you on point #2, but I think it’s light years away from a Nazi parallel and that the policy itself is basic common sense for a functioning country

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Anonymous #1 3w

The US government has not just been targeting people who overstayed their visas or snuck in, it’s targeting *refugees,* people who followed US and international refugee law and followed the legal processes are getting rounded up and put in camps. People are being rounded up at immigration hearings, these are people following the law. ICE is now murdering people on the street for questioning them, on camera

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Anonymous #1 3w

First of all Jews weren’t in Germany legally. The Nazis changed the law making them illegal. Something being legal doesn’t make it right. I have an issue with the whole thing they aren’t going after violent dangerous criminals. They’re beating innocent people, they’re detaining & beating citizens, people here legally without citizenship that speak out against the government, children who are citizens, people who are undocumented but have committed no crimes and are long time members of our

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Anonymous #2 3w

Communities. Idk how you can look at that & say it’s fine no problem. I’m sure people in Germany when the Nazis for took power also didn’t see an issue with their actions. No one thought the holocaust was going to happen at the start. Hell the Holocaust technically was the last 5 years of the Nazis regime but all the years before that was setting the stage & very important. If they had been stopped during their first years & the writing on the wall wasn’t ignored the holocaust wouldn’t have

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Anonymous #2 3w

Happened again it didn’t happen over night. It was a process that took about half a decade

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Anonymous #2 3w

No one is changing the law tho. You’re so stuck on the Nazi comparison when it hasn’t happened here, so it’s not comparable. Even you are saying yourself they’re undocumented. No law change. Your fundamental difference from me is saying sympathy should supersede the law. Ofc I sympathize with an undocumented immigrant, but at the end of the day enforcing the law means they get deported. And I don’t believe deportation are immoral so long as said person deserves broke the law

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Anonymous #1 3w

The US government *already deported people* before Trump, it already deported people before ICE was established as part of the post-9/11 hysteria of the Bush Administration. Now our government has deputized members of white nationalist militias like the Proud Boys to come in as masked thugs in unmarked vans kidnapping people off the street and, as of recently, blatantly murdering civilians on camera, with said murders being defended by the president Is that in line with Jewish values to you?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Stoping lying you don’t sympathize with immigrants. Genuinely that’s one thing that legit pisses me off when people lie so blatantly & pretend that they care or sympathizes with others. So please keep it a buck moving forward. The Tump admin has been ignoring laws and due process so also don’t pretend you care about the law either. You just like Ice & the work they’re doing. Like just say that instead of pretending there’s some strong reason you feel the way you do.

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Anonymous #3 3w

God commanded the Israelites to wipe out Amalek, including women, children, and cattle. Is that in line with Jewish values to you? Not everything is black and white. Just like war is bad, sometimes it’s a necessary evil. Bad things happen in pursuit of a good. The government’s job is to serve its people

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Anonymous #2 3w

Just because I don’t sympathize to a self-destructive degree as you doesn’t mean you get to decide what I feel or not. Good for you for winning the sucking everyone else’s dick award, by all means go ahead. I’m able to sympathize with people without prioritizing them over myself

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Anonymous #1 3w

Do you think murdering civilians in the street is serving its people? How are we being served by this? And have you considered what happens to a government paramilitary force composed of white nationalists that’s being established in a time of rising antisemitism if a Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes gets into power?

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Anonymous #3 3w

Do you think ICE is in Minnesota because its goal is to murder US citizens? Be fucking for real man. If you believe the only way to resist the government agents committing evildoing is with violence then by all means, fight for your righteous cause. But the government is always gonna fight back. Be prepared to lose soldiers when declaring war

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Anonymous #3 3w

#1 doesn’t care that they don’t do background checks for Ice & that a bunch of neo Nazis are joining or that a agents was recently seen in Minnesota with a ss bolt tattoo on their neck. Nope they just want Ice to deport all the people Trump claims are bad & ruining America

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Anonymous #1 3w

“If you believe the only way to resist the government agents committing evil doing is with violence” what are you on about? ice is beating and detaining people who aren’t violent. You’re legit just a boot licker

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Anonymous #1 3w

Did you or did you not watch the video of the woman the ICE agent shot in the face?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Let me reiterate: impeding a federal investigation is a felony. People who do so can be rightfully detained. Those who charge with a shovel or their car can legally be met with violence. I personally won’t do either so I feel pretty safe, yeah. Do you stop at stop signs? Bootlicker. Do you file your taxes? Bootlicker. Fuck off dude, you’re not leading any revolution

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Anonymous #1 3w

The law does not say that undocumented immigrants get deported unless they’ve committed a crime since being here. And no, overstaying a visa or crossing illegally is not a crime, it’s a civil offence. That’s the law, enforcing the law would be fining them, not kidnapping them off the street and tearing families apart

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Anonymous #3 3w

Deportation is considered a civil process not criminal. Whether it’s a “crime” or not, deportation is a valid and legal consequence. Fines are handed out if they fail to self deport

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Anonymous #1 3w

There is no “valid legal consequence” that is not handed out by the courts. The courts determine what is a valid legal consequence, not you or me or the president Do you think the president or someone in his administration should be able to decide whether someone is guilty of a crime and what the punishment should be? Yes or no?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Don't get mad at me for calling a spade a spade. If you don't act like boot licker by bending over backwards & lying to defend ice then you won't get called one.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I’ll enjoy the leather, you can enjoy the El Salvadoran sweaty balls. Salud my friend. Agree to disagree

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Anonymous #1 3w

Of course dude wants me an American Citizen to get deported & sent to a foreign torture prison for not respecting Ice & blindly following the words of Trump because for #1 it was never about the law dude is does a Trump 🍆 rider who just goes along with anything this administration says.

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