Anonymous #1 5w

Nuance exists. Supporting mentally ill people is important, but they’re not excused from their actions if they caused significant pain. One could argue that an abusive husband or wife for example is mentally ill and their rage led them to not think clearly but that doesn’t mean we can’t be upset or punish them over the damage done. Same with school shooters, obviously these are extreme examples but I’m using them to illustrate a point. Proper resources, understanding and awareness are important

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Anonymous #2 5w

but we can’t write it off as mentally ill and that’s it

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Anonymous #1 5w

Most bipolar ppl don’t start praising Hitler

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Anonymous #3 5w

That may be true but psychiatric issues can lead you to say or do things you firmly don’t believe in. Many people say they “see and hear God” even though they’re atheists. The mind does play tricks and I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily a reflection of who they are as they’re not in full control of their faculties but I do still stand by print argument in that just because it may be “out of your control” it doesn’t mean it didn’t cause pain and you can just write it off as not your fault

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Anonymous #3 5w

By my previous *** not print

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Anonymous #3 5w

Some people actually believe they are the messiah during a mental health crisis. It’s not because they believe that and most don’t have that happen but I wouldn’t say it’s reflective of who they are. I don’t know much about Kanye so I can’t say if this is the case for him I’m just saying we shouldn’t use that as a blanket rule in general

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Anonymous #1 5w

he’s surrounded by apologists that support him and are aware of what he’s making. it wasn’t just him that made that song it was produced by someone else and written by another. same w releasing the swastika merch, a legal team reviewed it and said it was fine. he’s not an independent artist and saying it’s just him being bipolar is wrong when it’s his whole team allowing him come up w his ideas and uploading hate. like he can be so off the rails no one can know what he’ll say to a crowd anymore

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Anonymous #1 5w

i just read his apology and it’s nothing more than that moment where hes like on twitter saying i love jewish people now because of jonah hill. genuinely the same thing. 👎👎👎👎where’s the denouncing? or how harmful it is to say that as a famous person? or him and his team are going to do better when he falls off the wagon?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Don’t be like the people who were insisting the guy with Tourette’s was a racist for saying the N word. Either Mentally ill people can sometimes say things they don’t mean or not. And if they say something they don’t mean and apologize for it, learn to forgive. I’d argue the guy who made a song called Heil Hitler does way less harm to the Jewish people than half of the migrants the UK lets into their country with no problems

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Anonymous #1 5w

There is a difference between slipping the n word and spreading Nazi rhetoric on multiple occasions. People can be hurt and also understand that it wasn’t maybe he wasn’t in his full capacity. You can also forgive while simultaneously not wanting him to be platformed since this is a repetitive thing

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Anonymous #1 5w

Understand that maybe ***

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Anonymous #1 5w

You can make that argument, but the argument is wrong It’s not just the name of the song, it’s his active spreading of Nazi propaganda, elevating the position and access of neonazis like Nick Fuentes, and creating an addictive earworm of people praising Hitler I have bipolar friends who have done things that hurt me during their episodes, I don’t hold it against them, I still need to take the measures necessary to protect myself and we need to do the same for society

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Anonymous #3 5w

And somehow banning Kanye from singing at a music festival protects us? And yet suggesting any of the migrants they let in with no restrictions poses some danger to us is met with backlash because of “inclusivity” I swear, our people have a serious wish for self destruction sometimes, it’s so painful to see

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Anonymous #1 5w

There are so many restrictions on immigration, what are you talking about? We were all migrants once, the history of our people is one of being migrants across a great many countries. We are commanded to love the stranger as ourselves. Associating migrants with “self destruction” seems remarkably contrary to Jewish values, especially when paired eith the defense of someone spreading Nazi propaganda..

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Anonymous #3 5w

Refusing to associate Migrants who don’t abide by the same moral code as we do in the west with self destruction is self destructive. It’s not “anti Jewish values” to not tolerate those who wish for our destruction. The point was they’ll ban Kanye for “our protection” and then invite with open arms those who seek to kill us. And people cheer this because patting themselves on the back for “inclusivity” is more important than survival. It’s sad

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Anonymous #1 4w

The guy who supports Hitler is spouting a lot more support for people killing us than regular people seeking out better lives “The West” does not operate by a moral code. Some people within it do, certainly, but not the societies associated writ large. People are people and have our morals and values no matter where from If you want to collectively associate a “moral code” to the West writ large, then evidently it’s one compatible with our persecution

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Anonymous #3 4w

Every society has been hostile to the Jews. That doesn’t all of a sudden make everything equal. There’s undisputedly better places for Jews than others. And the guy who sings and sells clothing does a whole lot less than those who rape, murder, and assault

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yea there’s always going to be better and worse people in the world. That’s not a good argument. “Oh he’s a rapist? Well… there a people who rape and kill children so yk. There’s worse”

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Anonymous #2 4w

You’ve completely missed my whole original point. The whole point is you people are here cheering on a publicity stunt, and then have zero qualms with the clearly more important and impactful problem. Such a strawman to go from “there’s people worse than singers” to “there’s people worse than rapists”

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yeah there are more important issues. How do you think those issues arise and have no one care about them? Large issues don’t just suddenly spawn. It’s important to not platform people who spew this type of hate. It has consequences even if you can’t directly see it

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Anonymous #2 4w

Applauding a government for doing a whole lot of nothing to excuse themselves from doing something that is actually good is bad actually. Banning a musician with bipolar disorder as a front to excuse allowing blatant islamists to have a platform is bad actually. Why are so many Jews so okay with self destruction as a sacrifice for “tolerance”

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Anonymous #1 4w

There is nowhere that has been worse to Jews in all of our history than “the West.”

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Anonymous #1 4w

Islamists having a platform? What does that have to do with what we were talking about at all?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Cheering the UK for banning a musical artist as a way to deflect from their complicity in platforming islamists is exactly what this is about. And that’s a blatant and provable inaccuracy. Modern Israel and The West is literally the best place for Jews to live since Ancient Israel. This isn’t even up for debate

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Anonymous #1 4w

“The West” committed the Holocaust and more ethnic cleansing against Jews than anyone else in history. Let’s not forget who destroyed the second temple and exiled Jews from Jerusalem in the first place… Oh and let’s not forget that “The West” committed a genocide against the Jewish population of Jerusalem during the first crusades (who had been able to live in the city again once the Muslims took over and revoked the ban on Jews living in the holy city that the Roman Empire had put in place)

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