Anonymous #1 3w

Why not? There is nothing prohibiting it

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Anonymous OP 3w

There’s nothing prohibiting it but it’s not just a fashion piece, it comes with meaning. It’s generally a symbol of married status

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Anonymous #1 3w

In orthodoxy yes but I’m reform and I use it in place of a kippah typically 🤷‍♀️ in the reform communities im in some unmarried women cover their hair

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Anonymous #1 3w

It’s a symbol of modesty and piousness, it is expected of married women but can be worn by all, and in some communities it is common to do so

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Anonymous #2 3w

That’s a complete fabrication of the 21st century. It’s completely okay if you want to apply it like that for your life, it’s cute, but that’s just straight up not the historical background for a tichel

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Anonymous #1 3w

You realize that the ancient Israelite women covered their hair no matter what their marriage status was

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Anonymous OP 3w

Also not true lol, there’s only ever been a practice/requirement of covering ones hair for modesty after marriage

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Anonymous #1 3w

Bro the whole idea of covering your hair after marriage didn’t come until the Talmud

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Anonymous OP 3w

I understand you’re reform and the Talmud isn't really a part of all that, and that's okay, but that's not how the Talmud works. Things written in the Talmud didn't just "create" Jewish law the moment it was written

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Anonymous #1 3w

I get that lmao… my point is that the IDEA of Jewish women covering their hair after marriage came from the Talmud. And it was eventually adopted by the greater jewish Public

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s perfectly reasonable for me to have assumed you didn’t get it because your opinion stands on the shoulders of that idea… and it’s still just not true. The accepted reality is that it’s always been like that. And the Talmud just documented and explained the law, where it comes from, brings proofs, and debates on it. Just like it does every law. And to be clear, I never had or have any problem with anyone wearing a tichel for whatever reasons, I’m just not trying to rewrite it’s history

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Anonymous OP 3w

There is reference head coverings worn by married women in the Book of Numbers, and some prominent biblical commentators like Ibn Ezra say that in biblical times Israelite women wore head coverings similar to those worn by the Muslim women of his day (the 12th century)

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yep, but I’m just trying to rewrite history ig

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Anonymous OP 3w

“By married women”

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Anonymous #1 3w

In some Jewish communities the practice has been that Jewish women should not dress less modestly than their gentile neighbors, and I know at least amongst Temanim (Yemeni Jews) the rabbinical expectation has been that unmarried women cover their hair and Temani rabbis have only ruled otherwise since leaving Yemen, some Hasidic rabbis have also praised this practice Furthermore, many Jewish communities have an expectation that unmarried women cover our hair when praying

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Anonymous #2 3w

My mom covered her hair going to the conservative synagogue when she was younger too

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Anonymous #2 3w

Wearing a doily or something while praying is NOT what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about recreational wear of a tichel. Also Ibn Ezra was still only talking about married women. And he also lived 6 centuries after the Talmud which we also said established that the rule is and always was for married women

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Anonymous #1 3w

You conveniently ignore the other part of my comment about Yemeni Jews And if you mean just a tichel specifically, rather than a hair covering more broadly, that is a specifically Ashkenazi style of head covering that does not have to be worn over other types of hair coverings and obviously was not directly referred to in the Talmud as it was a style that came about after

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yemen is the ONLY place that this occurred and they only did it because they were surrounded by Muslims. Since they’ve moved to Israel, the Yemenite Jews have abandoned the tradition. *Recreational wear* was the key word, wearing a headband while davening has never been a part of this conversation. It’s crazy this is even being debated when it’s a fact that the only historical and halachik backing to head coverings applies only to married women.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Jews were surrounded by Muslims many more places who did not adopt that practice, they did it because they had a religious belief that Jews should not dress less modestly than the gentiles around them, and so when they were no longer living somewhere where head coverings for unmarried women are commonplace they stopped wearing them. Some rabbi still hold this interpretation of Halakha on dressing modestly

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Anonymous #2 3w

That’s my point dude. An unmarried woman covering her hair has no halachik basis. And an unmarried woman covering her hair is closer to being a dina d'malkhuta dina matter than a tzniut matter. And even moreso, a tichel/mitpachat being an Ashkenazi style head covering further proves there’s no historical connection for unmarried women wearing it. It is and always has been a symbol of modesty for married women

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Anonymous #1 3w

Yemen did not have civil laws requiring Jewish women to wear head coverings, it was an interpretation of Halakha on modesty that Jews should dress at least as modestly as the gentiles they live alongside, which in this case meant unmarried women covering hair

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Anonymous #2 3w

As I said, it became a local minhag because of Muslim cultural norms. It was not halachik and was abandoned when they emigrated. Even Yemenite Jews today do not do this. Finding the 1% exception where, temporarily, some Jews did something because of Muslims does not change the halachik bearing of the law or the historical meaning behind wearing a tichel. If OP was talking about wearing a burqa then maybe this would be relevant, but it’s not

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