Anonymous #1 2w

they’re using the wrong history though, the history we need to learn from is American history. the holocaust was very different from this, but this is very very similar to slave catchers, japanese internment, the KKK, and the confederacy

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Anonymous OP 2w

hell it is a direct outgrowth of all those things

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Anonymous OP 2w

I guess I’m just failing to understand how the holocaust was that different? It’s the targeting of an othered group to maintain a certain national identity the government has in mind?

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Anonymous OP 2w

And all history is global

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Anonymous #1 2w

i think it’s fair to say that there are alarming similarities between the development of the holocaust and what is happening now, but i’ve seen people make comparisons between what’s happening now and like anne frank, the Last Jew of Vinnitsa, and the Gestapo, with no/very little understanding of what those things actually were and that they still have ripple effects today

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Anonymous OP 2w

in america we’ve used the holocaust as a moral allegory for so long that i think we’re forgetting it was a real thing that happened to people and not a convenient shorthand way of saying something is morally wrong

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Anonymous OP 2w

it also sort of implies that everyone recognizes the holocaust as a major historical wrong and cares about its victims, which we all know is very far from true

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Anonymous #1 2w

What OP is saying is while it’s like the beginning stages of the holocaust it’s not like the main part that everyone knows about. So we must wait for it to eventually escalate to that part before calling it that. People want to use it as a warning of where we’re heading but that’s actually antisemitism as the holocaust museum pointed out & should only be used to describe events where Jews are explicitly targeted

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Anonymous #2 2w

so that’s not really what i’m saying actually. i’m saying while there are some parallels to the early stages of the holocaust they’re really not that similar beyond both being authoritarian and racist, but a lot of things are both authoritarian and racist. importantly the governments’ control of the people in the US is much less complete than the Nazis and ICE is much smaller and weaker than Nazis forces.

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Anonymous OP 2w

bc of that thankfully with the amount of action people are taking now and the government backing down a little there are many good signs that it will never escalate that far. also and very importantly that the majority of our population and military are not okay with this. this is not an authoritarian successfully implementing an industrialized, continent-wide genocide— this a wannabe authoritarian testing his power and finding that he doesn’t have nearly as much control as he thinks.

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Anonymous OP 2w

and finally that i think in America we use the language of the holocaust to avoid talking about the American history that brought us here because for a lot of Americans it feels less real and less uncomfortable than talking about our own history. it is antisemitic to treat the holocaust as a universal metaphor for good and evil instead of a horrific event that happened to specific real people in a specific real context in history.

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Anonymous OP 2w

it’s not antisemitic to invoke the Holocaust as an example of where fascism can lead. it is antisemitic to say there’s no difference between the photo of Alex Pretti on his knees in the street and the photo of the Last Jew of Vinnetsa on his knees in the street, because there is a huge difference and we don’t have to erase one horror to communicate our rage at a different one

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Anonymous OP 2w

(an example i saw today)

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Anonymous OP 2w

idk if anyone who disagrees with me is going to read this far but another example is i watched Greg Bovino speak and his smug racism reminded me of Goebbels. but the difference between Bovino and Goebbels is that public outrage just got Bovino fired

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Anonymous OP 2w

and though i’m angry and horrified by everything going on i’m really proud and grateful to live in a country where people care enough about each other to put their lives on the line to get guys like that out of power

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Anonymous #5 2w

please read my comments because i’m not talking about noticing patterns and making warnings i’m talking about direct comparisons

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