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How can you be a proud Jew, religious or ethnic, and not believe in the land our ancestors spent 2000 years trying to get back to????
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Anonymous 4w

Our ancestors haven’t been spending 2000 years just trying to physically get back there, we were commanded to spread out around the world, they spent 2000 years truth to bring about the redemption to end our exile I oppose actions that will delay the redemption, like ethnically cleansing another group of people, be they in the holy land or anywhere else

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Anonymous 5w

Because many of them think that pandering to antisemites will benefit them in the long run

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Anonymous 5w

idg why it’s so hard for you guys to understand that cultural, religious and ethnic roots in a land doesn’t entitle you to an ethno state at the expense of another indigenous people’s continual existence and livelihood in the land. You can have ties to and appreciation of a land and even migrate there if you wish to but you can’t kick another people out to live there 😑

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

Dog how is it an ethnostate?? The Palestinian, a word derived from philistine, or invader, people have never had any form of governance to land or any ancestral heritage. Like the land was called Palestina by the romans as a jab at the Jewish people.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

Read this whenever you get the chance: https://www.hudson.org/node/44363

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

Bc literally only Israeli Jews have full rights? And if you have a Jewish grandparent you’re entitled to live there but not if you’re a Palestinian refugee kicked out a couple years ago. whose family has continuously lived in the land. Palestine doesn’t mean invader holy shit, how racist. They have way more ancestral heritage to the land than settler Jews, what are you talking about

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

That’s not true at all lmao, everyone there has full rights, as highlighted by the Arab judges on the Supreme Court, as well as the Druze people. That is also notably not why I said. I said it was derived from the word Philistine, which means invader. And explain how the fuck they have more ancestral heritage when there is archeological evidence of Jews being there 4000 years ago….

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

They don’t have full rights as Arabs, literally just google it. And yeah philistine just means Palestine? And has existed as a region for thousands of years too? Bc they also have lived there for just as long and also CONTINUOUSLY lived there maintaining a distinct culture and way of life, which is the main distinction. And is what indigenous actually means. So only Jews there before the late 1800s (when the settler movement began) are indigenous

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

Literally says “Arabs have equal legal and civil rights” Provide your source right now that says other wise. No it doesn’t lmao, philistines are from Greece, and Palestine was first introduced to spite the romans by calling the land Palestinian Syria, a direct attack to try and sever Jewish connection to the land. No they haven’t lmao, there really isn’t any proof it either. There are multiple ancient synagogues and church’s in Gaza as well as the West Bank that predate anything else found

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

They have by definition not lived there as long, and have not had a culture distinct from other surrounding Arab cultures for more than like 2-3 generations

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

The nation state basic law of 2018. Look it up. They don’t have the same rights to land or language. They face systemic and social discrimination similar to black Americans Philistia = Palestine. A longstanding region Wdym there’s not proof they’ve lived there thousands of years? There’s so much archaeological and genetic research that says otherwise. They descend from canaanites

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5w

Yes they have lived there as long, wdym by definition? They come from ancient canaanites… And now youre white washing Palestinian identity and saying they had no culture 🙄

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Anonymous 5w

What does this have to do with hamas, the settler project was always wrong. Hamas hasn’t even existed for 40 years Yeah I don’t trust the un either, fuck the un. They don’t gaf about genocide or apartheid

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

Yeah that’s not true lol. All that law says is Hebrew is the official language and it’s a Jewish state, that’s it lmao. Also not true regarding racism, they literally are equal in every way. No lmao. That’s wrong. The Philistines is a people from Greece. Palestine is given its name from the romans BASED OFF OF the philistines in order to spite the Jews

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

Yeah so does half of the Middle East world why’s your point. And there literally isn’t, Islam has only existed for 1400 years, meaning at the bare minimum the oldest possible evidence is from that era. Which means that the Jews were there for 2600 years prior lmao. Great argument you got there

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

Dude they’re literally clarifying that they are indeed a Jewish ethno state wdym?? When there’s literally Palestinians and Muslims living there, how can they declare it a Jewish state the area where they settled in the levant became philistia and then Palestine.. the region in the levant isn’t the same as the ancient sea people

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

So you’re admitting they descend from the canaanites but somehow have not lived there thousands of years? Crazy Have you ever heard of this crazy thing called conversion. Many of them converted to Christianity and then Islam. Their religion now doesn’t change who their ancestors are. Did you even think about this for more than 10 seconds?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5w

You think Muslims just sprouted out of the earth or something? No, they were something else beforehand

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5w

The modern Palestinian identity has not existed for longer than 2-3 generations. Prior to that it was the general Arab identity. If Palestinians came from canaanites, so did Jews. At the absolute very best, Jews and Palestinians have been there the exact same amount of time, with Jews maintaining the exact same ethnic and religious identity.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4w

Palestinians came from Jews, but modern Jews and Palestinians have maintained different parts of the same ethnic identity. There are many cultural practices, especially but not exclusively practiced tied to the land, that were lost to diaspora Jews but maintained by Palestinians, meanwhile Jews maintained our religious and ethnic identification Both modern Jews and Palestians have cultural identities that are a mix of inherited cultural traits from our shared ancestors and from other cultures

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4w

The modern Palestinian identity has existed since the late Ottoman period, when it started to coalesce with the rise of nationalisms in the Ottoman Empire

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4w

The equivalent of redlining is very very common in Israel, I would not consider that to be equal rights…

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4w

All the surrounding Arab cultures have distinct cultural identities from each other, and almost none of them would have been considered “Arab” until the rise of Arab nationalism in the late Ottoman period when “Arab” shifted from referring to people with heritage from the Arabian peninsula to Arabized/Arabophone people

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