Anonymous #1 30w

I disagree

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Anonymous #3 30w

Same thing in the Rwandan genocide but I don’t see that comparison.

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Anonymous #3 30w

This is what I’m getting at with my comment. The MAGA party has spent a couple decades cooking using immigrants (specifically latine immigrants) (and also most other marginalized groups but mostly the immigrants) as a scapegoat. They attempted a coup, they’re attempting to change the constitution to keep Trump and give him more authoritarian power, they’re actively kidnapping people and deporting them or putting them in detention centers without trial. Like it’s at the point where there def

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Anonymous #1 30w

Are similarities and it’s not inaccurate or minimizing what actually happened in the holocaust to say so.

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Anonymous #1 30w

It is minimizing. Stop universalizing antisemitism. Stop using Jewish trauma as a measuring tool while not even including Jews in the conversation. A lot of these things are inaccurate too like claiming there weren’t camps in Germany when there was or saying it started with deportations when it didn’t. You can legitimize trump’s anti-Hispanic racism without making Holocaust comparisons

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Anonymous OP 30w

I’m not claiming it’s the same it absolutely is not. but when I read the experiences of the holocaust from diary entries and stuff that’s put in museums or looking at the warning signs that existed in nazi germany, it is similar to today. It’s definitely not the same, like MAGA is way messier than the nazis about who they’re targeting, but there are detention centers that people are being kidnapped and taken to and being held in for indefinite periods of time. And trumps attempts to install

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Anonymous #1 30w

But it’s not the same. The full picture matters. Stop cherry picking certain details when that could also apply to other regimes instead of constantly invoking the Holocaust

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Anonymous OP 30w

Himself as an authoritarian dictator look a lot like Hitler’s. This is less of a “oh it’s as bad as the holocaust” and more of a “I think there are enough nazis in this administration taking direct influence from nazis that you can predict what they’re gonna do by studying Nazi germany”

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Anonymous #1 30w

Almost like it’s because it’s different and comparing the two minimizes the uniqueness of the atrocity of the holocaust

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Anonymous #2 30w

I’m not going to compare the atrocity of the holocaust to anything else. Every atrocity is different and unique and deserves to be studied on its own. However, studying past atrocities can help us predict and prevent future atrocities. The holocaust was the first industrialized genocide and the Nazis ideology is still popular in the US today. It seems that the Trump administration might attempt an industrial scale genocide of their own, and by their actions, it seems they may be heavily inspired

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Anonymous #2 30w

By the holocaust. I’m not saying what’s happening now is the same. Im saying that it’s worth studying what happened in Nazi germany and the holocaust to better understand what is happening now and what we can possibly do to prevent it.

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Anonymous #1 30w

You can study the Holocaust without comparing it to everything else heinous. You can study regimes and genocide without invoking the Holocaust. Even if you were to make Holocaust comparisons, you can at least include Jews in the conversation.

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Anonymous #1 30w

It doesn’t get to compare to the holocaust until the mass killings hit Seven Figures. Sorry to make a rule on this

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Anonymous #3 30w

Genocide doesn’t focus on numbers, it focuses on intent…

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Anonymous OP 30w

You’re completely right. And when I do study the holocaust, I do not generally compare it to other regimes and genocide (with the exception of maybe past pogroms of Jews motivated by similar ideologies). When I am researching the actions of the Trump regime and actions of ICE today, however, I use my knowledge of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust to better understand what is currently happening and what might happen next. And when I am having that conversation outside of Jewish spaces (rare),

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Anonymous OP 30w

I do talk about Jews and how Jews were treated in the Holocaust because it is very important context that I do not assume all goys have.

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Anonymous #1 30w

I feel like many people don’t mention Jews. They say “camps” but not how Jews were put there. They’ll say “deportations” but not that it was Jews abducted. They’ll say “smear campaign” but not that it was an antisemitic campaign. The list goes on. They invoke certain components to the Holocaust without showing the full picture, not presenting the facts, and not including Jews. Some lies are placed to fit their comparative narrative.

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Anonymous OP 30w

I agree. Most of the time holocaust comparisons are invoked carelessly and in a way that does minimize the Holocaust. That is why I usually don’t have that conversation when I am the only Jew in the room or when I think the people around me cannot handle that comparison respectfully. But that doesn’t mean it cannot or should not be done respectfully.

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Anonymous OP 29w

I mean of course people aren’t making the comparison to the Rwandan genocide? First off it is just a lot less comparable than the lead up to the Holocaust is but, like, more to the point: how many people do you know who have even close to enough knowledge about the Rwandan genocide to compare it to anything?

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