Obviously not, but I do consider talking points pushed by Neo Nazis to be Nazism.

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Anonymous OP 2w

When a specific word is used against a group in a derogatory manner it tends to be a slur idk tho

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Anonymous #1 2w

Yeah, obviously

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Anonymous #1 2w

“goy” means “nation”. it’s a neutral word generally used in completely neutral contexts. occasionally it is used derogatorily but typically that is ironic or sarcastic. its modern use is greatly colored by Yiddish and the history of Ashkenazi Jews in Europe— where Ashkenazi Jews were severely oppressed for thousands of years— and so of course sometimes it was used in contexts where people were expressing anger. but it’s not by any means a slur

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Anonymous #1 2w

The only people thinking it’s derogatory are antisemitic conspiracy theorists. That’s it

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Anonymous #2 2w

We got cross posted so they’ve been in here hating Jews all day

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Anonymous #4 2w

Intifada means “revolution”. It is occasionally used to describe wiping out Jews, but thats typically ironic or sarcastic. Its modern use is done by Muslim Arabs, who have faced great tragedy and oppression for hundreds of years, so of course in some contexts it is used to express anger. Totally okay to say tho!

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Anonymous #7 2w

I mean, violent revolution is violent revolution. Idk what you expect me to say?

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Anonymous #7 2w

this has got to be one of the most bizarre things i have ever read on this app what on earth

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Anonymous #1 2w

So would you argue foreigner is a slur then? What about gringo? Goy is the same thing, sometimes it’s used in a derogatory manner sometimes it isn’t

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Anonymous OP 2w

Intifada refers to both peaceful revolutions and violent ones, some people calling for one want a violent one others want a peaceful one..

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Anonymous OP 2w

Invented definitions to get mad at is a very goy thing to do I thought? Intifada does not mean violent, it means revolution. Same way goy doesn’t mean “not as human as us” it just means another person.

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Anonymous #7 2w

intifada means uprising, typically understood to be violent but not always, and the violence may or may not be justified. in the context of the israel-palestine conflict, “intifada” is typically understood to refer to the First and Second Intifadas against Israel. the Second Intifada in particular is known for widespread targeting of Israeli civilians, particularly children, in terrorist attacks such as suicide bombings in public places. this makes its widespread usage in that context charged

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Anonymous #4 2w

goy does not and never has meant “less human that us” in any context and is not a call to any kind of action or associated with any historical events

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Anonymous #4 2w

also “a goy thing to do” is not a phrase i have ever heard a jewish person use and doesn’t make much sense

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Anonymous #4 2w

Intifada is just a literal translation of the word “revolution”, no matter how you try to spin it. Did you support the American intifada of 1776? It def has some interesting historical context, but everything has interesting history! Historically, some texts suggest that goys are not children of Adam! Not sure what that implies though but since intifada=violence against Jews can we assume goy=subhuman?

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Anonymous #4 2w

This comment is categorically false and can be debunked with a simple google search asking if there exists Jewish texts where goy are compared to animals.

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Anonymous #7 2w

Yeah, that’s a neo-Nazi talking point and you’re taking it out of the hallachic context

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Anonymous #7 2w

I just know this douche is about to whip out some out of context or mistranslated obscure “Talmud” quote.

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Anonymous #2 2w

“Oh no, he’s gonna use historical sentiments of Jews as an argument even though that’s what I’ve been doing this entire time”

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Anonymous #7 2w

Bro is going to point out a part of gemara that says “goyim are exempt from this just as animals are exempt from this” and use it as proof

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Anonymous #4 2w

Great! Not sure what that source is but you can see many examples of potentially problematic opinions held by Jewish people in the past towards goy. Is my argument that you all feel like that? No, same way every Muslim calling for intifada is not expressing a problematic opinion towards Jews.

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Anonymous #7 2w

one rabbi said non jews should be killed for studying jewish text and EVERY OTHER RABBI said they were wrong and actually non-jews who do that should be widely respected— hundreds or even thousands of years ago. the reason they left this passage in the Talmud was so if any jew ever tried to say something like that in the future everyone else could be like “no”

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Anonymous #7 2w

Homie you don’t want to play the historic sentiment of any group of people to apply to modern applications. Trust me it gets a lot less fun. Also the Talmud is a collection of arguments and rants and one out of context quote does not speak for the sentiment of the entire culture.

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Anonymous #4 2w

and nobody said that every Muslim who says “intifada” is calling for killing Jews. you’re the one who brought “intifada” up in the first place. all i said was in the specific context of israel, it is a charged term because of recent history

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Anonymous #4 2w

here’s the source: https://ohpi.org.au/antisemitism-based-on-the-talmud/

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Anonymous #2 2w

You’re right, which is why you agree with me that the intifada is fine right? Or do historical opinions matter? You can’t have it both ways lol

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Anonymous #4 2w

Let’s follow this logic exactly. Jews have a closed religion. They have scholars that argue that goys are less pure than Jews. Israel currently has two separate judicial and infrastructure systems depending on your religion. They have a word that they call non Jews, but were supposed to believe this word is an endearing term. Is finding this problematic antisemitic?

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Anonymous #7 2w

judaism is open to converts who want to be jewish, it just doesn’t think everyone has to be jewish. there are no jewish scholars who argue non-jews are less pure than other jews. israel, afaik, has five judicial systems, four for civilians, which include: a secular one, a jewish religious one, a christian religious one, and a muslim religious one. the one i think you are thinking of is the military system in the west bank which is extremely problematic but not based on religion

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Anonymous #7 2w

goy, for the millionth time, is a neutral term

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Anonymous #4 2w

fact checked myself and it’s actually hard to count how many religious judicial systems Israel has because any religion that wants one has one

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Anonymous #4 2w

there are apparently courts for 10 different Christian communities

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Anonymous #4 2w

We should have a court in America just for Jews too while we’re at it. Also talk more about the West Bank

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Anonymous #7 2w

you’ve used up all the time i am willing to spend talking to you. i suggest you do some research on your own. My Jewish Learning is a good place to start

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Anonymous #4 1w

It’s not just “any religion that wants one has one” Officially recognized religions get them, and they mostly have jurisdiction over stuff like marriage, divorce, and conversion (in Israel you can only get married in a religious court, they don’t have civil marriage). The courts are inherited from the legal systems of the British Mandate and the Ottoman Empire These are not full judicial systems, they have limited jurisdiction and generally have to be agreed to be used by both parties

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Anonymous #7 1w

“Goy” is not an “endearing term” nor is it a derogatory term, it’s just a term, whether it’s positive or negative or neutral depends on the speaker. It’s basically the equivalent of the term “foreigner” or the term “gringo.” Can they be used negatively? Sure, are they inherently? No

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Anonymous #7 1w

Intifada ≠ violence; the term in English is still used to just mean revolution in most cases, it being interpreted differently by some listeners doesn’t change that & goy just means non-jew, just like gentile does (the only difference is “goy” has a Hebrew root and “gentile” has a Latin root) The Tanakh literally used the term goyim for Jews it originally just meant “nation” & then evolved to mean “foreigner” over time & then just “non-jew” once Jews were in diaspora

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