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Anonymous 2w

yall talk about being drug addicts, yall be the main ones doing the drugs😭

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Anonymous 2w

and it’s literally not even about being christian you don’t need religion to have a reason to be a decent human being why is that so hard to understand it’s actually horrible people do not understand this

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Anonymous 2w

yo facts

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Anonymous 2w

Someone show this to my parents…DEADASSSSSS

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Anonymous 2w

Shit it ain’t racist if you hate every fucker equally

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Anonymous 1w

Enforcing Immigration policy is not racist.

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Anonymous 1w

everyone on this post is loud and wrong. racism and christ don't mix, homophobia and christ DO NOT mix. yes homosexuality is an abomination in the bible but so are many other things, the bible does not say that you are kept from the kingdom of heaven if you're homosexual; the only unrepeatable sin is blasphemy. You are not God, stop putting false beliefs into the world and bringing down the church and other respectful christians.

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Anonymous 1w

Honestly racism is so weird and cringe. Honestly how are ppl racist anymore

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Anonymous 2w

Good point. 😊

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Anonymous 2w

Just as clear as that

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Anonymous 2w

Average Tampa Bay Lightning fan 💪⚡️

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Anonymous 1w

religion is gay

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Anonymous 1w

Don’t hate people because of skin color. That’s bronze level racism. Be top 500 NA and hate them because of their actions and culture

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Anonymous 2w

Fake and gay

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Anonymous 2w

This is 100% correct. But these same people are also wanting to murder the babies that God makes too. Christ and abortion don’t mix either

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Anonymous 1w

When I first read the sign I was like fuck yeah I love this & then my eyes panned up & saw the hat they are wearing (which I’m a diehard bucs fan) & immediately I was a a billion times more happy lol

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Anonymous 1w

Absolutely, you seem to forget that most christians aren't racist bro, 9/11 happened 25 years ago 😭😭

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Anonymous 1w

You’re translating the words but ignoring the legal system they sit inside. Exodus 21:5–6 doesn’t prove ownership , it proves the opposite. The servant goes to a judge specifically so the master cannot force him to stay. That alone shows this isn’t chattel slavery. No slave in an ownership-based system ever went to court to voluntarily stay or to protect their rights.

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Anonymous 1w

God condemns it here.

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Anonymous 1w

Leftism and Christianity doesn’t mix either but no one wants to talk about that either.

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Anonymous 1w

Why masks

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Anonymous 2w

ok 🥷 praise GOD

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Anonymous 2w

i… what is this app 🥲

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Anonymous 2w

Someone needs to send this to the middle eastern Muslim terrorist groups

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Anonymous 2w

Womp womp God made gay people too so you gotta love them as part of his creation 🫵

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Anonymous 2w

Atheist and still hate gay people? WOW aren’t you a grand fella

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Anonymous 2w

being an atheist is lowkey a gay thing to do so .. u might wanna check pur ur own sexuality

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 2w

I feel like you’re missing the part where Muslims throw them off rooftops. You know, the important part?

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 2w

cuz ppl love to be angry for some reason

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 2w

As a gay atheist, please stfu 🫶

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 2w

Maybe you should consider your support of Muslims then. They want to stone you, I don’t.

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 2w

Not all Muslims feel that way and I’ve never been harassed by Muslims but I’ve been harassed by plenty of Christians. Still, I’d never blanket statement all religious people like you’re doing. Some are totally cool.

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 2w

Actually God made marriage (and relationships for that fact) between MAN and WOMAN. Not man and man or woman and woman. The LGBTQ+ ideology is a perversion made by sinful man deviating away from God’s original design for humanity

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 2w

Idk I’m getting blanket statemented about somehow being gay because I don’t believe in god or allah or any of that so I guess everyone is in the mood for generalizations today. However just to clarify again, if you traveled to a Muslim controlled country they would simply kill you. And seeing as you’re responding, that hasn’t happened in the Christian controlled country.

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 2w

Well yeah. Love the people, hate the sin. People are not their sins🤷🏿

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 2w

wtf is your point?? Majority of countries in the world have homosexuality illegal whether it’s a muslim country or not. People get killed for being gay in those places AND places like the US. So what’s your point??

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 2w

He also made liars and thieves but He never made the sin just the people. He can alter a gay persons mind and call them His child by giving them the desperation to be obedient to the Lord. He can change them.

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Anonymous replying to -> #29 2w

That’s a genuinely sickening and hateful mindset you have btw. Truly no hate like Christian “love”.

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Anonymous 2w

Trumps budget bill actively reduced funds to the VA. Why don’t you guys ever bring that?

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 2w

L take

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 2w

They don’t actually care about the troops. That’s why they never do anything for them or even push for their sides politicians to do anything. The right actively defunds VA assistance yet they always blame the left.💀

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Anonymous 2w

Why am I being downvoted 🤨

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 2w

Can you clarify your comment? I can’t tell what u actually mean by it lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 2w

Muslims are not allowed to do drugs. There was a comment that said something about Somalis being drug addicts which is the first time I’ve heard that

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 2w

Oh ok. I think your wording is just messing people up

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 2w

ur actually delusional you don’t have proof that your god is real and u can’t make people believe in it just cuz u do don’t push it on others?? is love really that scary to you i cannot comprehend how you are scared of two people wholeheartedly loving each other what makes u think u have any right to say anything about them at least try to preach what u believe that is not what christianity is

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Anonymous replying to -> #22 2w

yes but also peace and love 🙋‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 2w

You phrase that in negative light? Being killed for no reason, right? Can you not see how people could possibly have empathy for ALL people being killed for no reason? The average at war muslim is not standing on a soapbox preaching homophobic rhetoric, they are just humans trying to survive.

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Anonymous replying to -> #33 2w

They are absolutely preaching death to the west and gays. We have semi tame ones in the US and they are still having honor killings. Please open your eyes.

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 2w

Actually, that’s the whole premise of Christianity. What Jesus started during his earthly ministry didn’t end when he ascended to heaven. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, that same mission has now been passed onto all believers. So yes, through Jesus death on the cross I now will preach that TRUE love is found in Jesus sacrifice. They can “love” each other all they want, but in God’s eyes it’s sin and not what he truly has in store for his creation

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 2w

im going to have gay sex with your father and he is going to like it

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Anonymous 1w

The only time a gay person was thrown off a rooftop was by ISIS. You really gotta stop your bullshit.

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 1w

Christians are also not allowed to do drugs. What a stupid thing to say.

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

girl stfu

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Not everyone believes in your imaginary friend. Stop forcing your ideology on everyone!

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Anonymous 1w

Hey, buddy! Current laws are that only citizens are eligible for almost all benefits. If a veteran isn't getting the care they are entitled to, that just might be down to them not seeking it or not knowing about it!

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Anonymous replying to -> #40 1w

why not? if ice doesn't want us to know who they are, we can protect our identities too

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Anonymous 1w

it's the billionaires stealing your benefits, dip shit.

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Anonymous replying to -> #36 1w

It’s actually relevant considering “Somali-Muslim drug addicts” is not a thing you hear a lot 😒

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Anonymous replying to -> #17 1w

The billionaire Republicans in Congress cutting VA benefits in Trump's last budget? Yeah. That pissed me off too.

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 1w

Straight facts. They just want to wear their little flag pins and scream that the left fucked everything while they fuck everything themselves and get rich doing it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

well then ur god can isn’t a good one is he punishing his creations for loving while he lets the pedophiles and rapists repent all their sins and have a blast in heaven

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 1w

Wait till this asshole finds out god made the devil to 😂😂😂 go love him while ur at it dumbass argument

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

Yes I do believe that if a rapist or pedophile truly has a change of heart and commits their life to him, then I will one day rejoice with them in heaven in the presence of God. It’s just like the thief of the cross next to Jesus. He repents and has a true life changing experience with him, and Jesus says to him “truly you will be with me today in paradise” That’s the beauty of the Gospel is that we are never too far gone for the love of Christ to change our lives

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Anonymous replying to -> #41 1w

God made the devil with free will. Everyone has the ability to choose

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Anonymous replying to -> #39 1w

I’m sorry you feel that way, my friend. Jesus loves you!

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Anonymous replying to -> #19 1w

Actually God made the angel Lucifer, and his his thirst for pride and power he turned against God and became to ruler of the power of the air

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF??? how is it ever ok to forgive people who rape babies children women men EVER???????

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

I do not know. And that right there is why i’m not God, and neither are you. There is a “mystery of the gospel” that we can’t understand because God is so much greater than we are. I don’t know why he forgives them, but I’m glad he does because I believe every person deserves to hear and have the opportunity to receive the beauty of the gospel

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1w

God would forgive you if you did 🫶

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Anonymous 1w

How come 5 white men own more than half the wealth of 7 billion people in the world but immigrants are the reason why your struggling? Maybe someone wants you to blame it on someone else so your to busy fighting each other to see who the real problem is ……

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

bro shut ur bootyhole up u just talking to talk ur god is wrong then simple as that

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

I’ll pray that God reveals himself and his love to yo 🫶

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

Wild thing to say

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

ok thanks i hope one day u realize that people matter and their feelings matter even if u think its a wrong and pedophilia and raping is unforgivable no matter what nooooo matterrerrrr what

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

I agree on earth, rape is unforgivable. It’s inexcusable. But in God’s infinite wisdom and love for humanity chose to love us and forgive us of ALL (big key word here) ALL of our sins. People do matter and Gos loves them

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

I agree on earth, rape is unforgivable. It’s inexcusable. But in God’s infinite wisdom and love for humanity chose to love us and forgive us of ALL (big key word here) ALL of our sins. People do matter and God loves them

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

u npc u type that twice 😂 ok i can understand that i respect it i just feel people use that as an excuse tho to do whatever they want cuz oh god is gonna forgive them i wish that people were good because it’s just the right thing to do not cuz they are scared to be punished

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

And that right there is the difference between true Christianity and cultural Christianity. True Christianity allows us to live in the freedom that Christ has given us. Being a good human being just because that’s what Jesus did. Cultural Christianity was a lie and deception from Satan to cause a divide to bring bad light to Christianity

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

plenty of things are sins in the world, which god called us to repent for. Nowhere in the bible does it say homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, No where in the bible does it say that you're kept from God's kingdom for being gay. Read your bible correctly before you spew hate.

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 1w

Love them not their actions

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Anonymous replying to -> #45 1w

exactly, and no one is saying they "love" it but we are not the Lord, we cannot pick and choose sins and judge others for their sins when we ourselves are not perfect; repent for your sins and accept the lord and he'll accept you, period.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Not once did I ever say it was an unforgivable sin. However, like I did say, it’s not God’s original design for humanity. Therefore our need for repentance when humans fall into homosexuality.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Why are we even talking about this you people are so fucking dumb this post isn’t about gay marriage you uneducated little shit

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Anonymous replying to -> #46 1w

I’m sorry that speaking truth hurts your feelings

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

you calling it true doesn’t make it truth. In reality, you follow the arbitrary rules of being that condone chattel slavery of children

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Nothing you said hurt my feelings because I’m not gay dumbass

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Not everyone believes the same things or the same way. Faith is a personal thing. It's OK to keep your faith journey to yourself.

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Anonymous replying to -> #39 1w

That’s not how the Christian faith works. You are called to evangelize

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

im having gay sex with ur dad too. hes gonna love it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1w

Like I told the other guy, if you did God would forgive you

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 1w

True but it ain’t womp womp, it’s a fact

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 1w

Okay so people in the US don’t get killed bc they’re gay, we literally have pride month. In muslim counties they do. Women also aren’t allowed to get an education or go outside without their husbands consent. Women cannot vote. Women have to wear clothing so that men won’t think inappropriate thoughts when he looks at her. Husbands can have up to 4 wives and wives can only have one husband. This is not ‘hate’ these are actual facts. I wouldn’t defend a religion that is so cruel even to this day.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Are you willing to defend Christianity?

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

it’s not the truth it is a belief ok get your facts straight alrighttttttyyyyyyyy

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

Moron

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

They get really mad when you call out any hypocrisy.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

100%

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You’re willing to defend a religion that’s God has endorsed chattel slavery, the genocide of the canaanites, etc? Do you think anything God says is moral?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Okay God did not endorse slavery. Just because it’s in the bible doesn’t mean that it is has to be followed. The bible tells the story of God’s people and enslavement was part of that story. God never tells anyone to own slaves. Slavery, just like any other sin results from the absence of good in our world. And yes I do think God is moral.

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

One day all will see that it is the truth. I hope you find the Lord before that day

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

He did, Exodus 21:4. You can lie but it doesn’t matter. So if God says homosexuality or abortion is immoral, is it wrong just because he said it?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Yes

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

So when you read the bible you have to think of the time period they were in. Back then a lot of people were enslaved due to unpaid debts. Instead of living in debt these people get to live on his land and work for the ‘master’ as they slowly pay off their debt. This saves his family from a life of torture. I know the verse seems harsh when taken out of context. Also this was in the new testament. After Jesus’ coming these ways were corrected.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Also yes, God is all knowing, so if he says something is wrong then it is.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

so god knows i have extremely freaky gay sex with ur dad earlier?? damn.. i hope he enjoyed the show.

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1w

Um yeah he would know. But my dad would never even think of having gay sex. He would probably rather die

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1w

you act like our world just appeared out of thin air. It’s very unlikely that earth and humans, who by the way are so intricately built, just randomly appeared. It makes sense for there to be someone outside of time who created us.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Did I lie? Or did I present you with factual evidence??

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Going from “we don’t know where we came from and we definitely didn’t just appear” to “it’s definitely an all knowing god” is a huge presupposition. And nowhere in science does it say we appeared out of nowhere. Evolution is a thing. But god blipping us into existence IS in fact us appearing out of nowhere. So there’s that. 🤣🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 1w

I never said we don’t know where we came from. I never said it was an all knowing God. I never said God blipped us into existence. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said it makes sense that we have a creator. I believe in evolution, but not from apes. I believe humans evolve. I also believe that there has to be a creator. No way we were designed so perfectly by chance. If you don’t believe there’s a creator how do you think we got here? If we evolved from apes why are apes still here.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Besides the fact that you’re obviously homophobic, how can you honestly think ALL relationships are meant to be heterosexual?? Think parent and child, friends, grandparents and grandchildren…and they say gay people make everything about sex 💀💀💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #50 1w

I think they mean only romantic relationships should be between a man and a woman. Family and friends can be whatever

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Anonymous replying to -> #45 1w

Now this is a man of culture

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Anonymous replying to -> #45 1w

This is the reason people are racist

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Anonymous replying to -> #19 1w

So by that same logic, if God were to say rape was moral, would it be moral to you?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

I study history. I’m very aware. Two things can be bad at once, is it good to own people as property without their consent yes or no?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

God would never command you to do that. But if he said he it was moral it would be for the greater good to listen to God

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Yes that is bad. Is it bad to not believe in God when he is the only source of pure joy, yes or no?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Why would God deem a sin as moral?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

You’re asking hypothetical question that are impossible to answer and you think you had a gotcha moment because you asked about something that would literally never happen. Please seek Jesus, he loves you and he wants you to love him back.

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 1w

A comment with 114 upvotes that isn’t about being a sheep

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 1w

U be the same person to fuck someone over lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #50 1w

I will never be sorry for speaking the truth, and if you get offended the you can take it up with God

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Eh it’s kinda known already it’s a leftist mindset to rewrite history. It dont matter tho 🤣 we live in a incredibly stupid society

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 1w

Actually he didn’t lol. If you read the bible you’ll understand more.

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Anonymous replying to -> #19 1w

So your entire moral system is just obedience, got it lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

False dichotomy. You can answer too though since you wanted to interject. If God said it’s moral to rape, would rape be moral, in your eyes?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

God in Exodus 21:4 commands that the masters of slaves will own the slave children as “property” if the slaves give birth. The slaves aren’t given the right to own their kids. And so you agree it’s bad for God to have commanded that.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Marriage has been a ceremony well before Christianity was created.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

Considering Christianity (and God) have been around for a while or before time even existed I’m gonna have to say that your wrong

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

You believing God exists doesn’t make him real, but no. The concept of marriage predates christianity as a whole lol.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

So close minded. There is no way you genuinely believe that the idea and practice of marriage predates Christianity, which predates existence

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

the sex i have with ur father predates christianity

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

The religion of christianity didn’t exist until Jesus did lol. Jesus was a practicing jew. The concept of marriage predates that new religion stemming from Jesus’ existence. You cannot be this ignorant on this subject it’s the only thing you supposedly believe.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

How do you not know that Judaism (Old Testament) and Christianity (New Testament) are one thing. That was the whole point of Jesus earthly ministry. He came to graft in gentiles with Jews

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

How do you not know that Christianity formed AFTER judaism. Which means that objectively speaking; things and concepts existed before christianity ever formed as a religion.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Ignorant people 🤦‍♂️ Can’t admit when they’re wrong

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1w

You’re a real funny guy huh. I bet you’re a real hoot to be around

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

You said NOTHING predates a religion that formed after Judaism and Hinduism. Out of the two of us one of us dumb, and it’s not me.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

That’s something someone would say when they’re getting defensive 😂

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

When they’re right** lmaooo I can tell you know I’m right because you didn’t even bother responding to it with anything of substance LMAOO

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Brother Christianity is 2000 years old. Humanity is tens of thousands of years old. Regardless of what your book says.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

Hundreds of thousands*

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Just because it’s in the bible doesn’t mean it’s law. That’s the second time I’ve said that. Jesus said he is a vine. Do you think the Son of God came to Earth as a vine? No. He was human. If you’re going to make stupid points so will I. This is history we’re talking about. Just because it happened doesn’t mean it’s right. When Jesus came these ways were changed. God brought his people out of slavery. If he was so pre slavery why would he do that??

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

God would never say that. Ever. If you’re making this argument you obviously don’t understand God. But if God said something is moral then so be his will. God told Abraham to kill his son and because he almost did so, God granted him offspring and said all the nations of the earth will be blessed because of his sacrifice

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Read Exodus 21:16. It forbids to keep or sell people as slaves, and said it is punishable by death. So this is condemning chattel slavery, which you said the bible endorsed. The slavery in Exodus 21:4 is not the slavery we see today, which is chattel slavery.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Leviticus 25: 44-46 quite literally says you can have slaves and even stated they are your property and can be given as inheritance.it even says you can keep them as slaves for life.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

That verse is describing how people were to take slaves instead of allowing people to be sold into slavery. They took them so they wouldn’t have to live in poverty. They were to be treated as hired workers and released in the year of Jubilee. The text prohibits the owners from treating them ruthlessly.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

God explicitly said to own children as property without the kids consent. Was that good yes or no? You already said if someone endorses owning people as property without consent that’s a bad thing. Remember that.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Okay so like the other commenter you have no moral system, you view morality as an obedience system

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

god made me gay and I embrace the way he made me by loving in my own way, regardless of what hateful people like you say. stop using my religion as an excuse to discriminate against others and their love. you pervert Christianity for your shitty agenda. be ashamed.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You are talking about the Israelites. I am talking about the non-Israelites. Non-Israelites could be kept as slaves for life and could be given as inheritance. They were property.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

In this verse the word ebed is used in Hebrew which is translated to slave, but many say that it should be translated to worker or even servant. So these people are more bondservants than slaves. Also these people are known pagans compared to Israelites, who were God’s people.

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Anonymous replying to -> #54 1w

“You’re religion” 😂😂😂 This is what cultural Christianity looks like. You think that God loves you as a gay, when we are called to repent of sin that deviates from Gods design for humanity. You are not a true Christian

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

They are still considered property and can be kept as property for life. Servant for life is slavery. If you keep reading it says you can beat them to bear death as long as they recover within a certain time frame.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

You aren’t a true Christian either? Who are you to judge others for their sin? Last I checked god is the only judge. Imo they are more Christian than you by far.

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Anonymous replying to -> #51 1w

how does what i said and what u said have any correlation? im saying u don’t need religion to be the reason ur a good person it should be u doing it because its the moral thing to do

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Oh so now I know you’re just uneducated. Marriage was around before Christianity and google will easily teach you that. Pick up a book other than the bible buddy. 🤭

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

It’s no wonder the average IQ is lower for a Christian 🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 1w

Bro there’s no need to be rude. People are trying to have genuine dialogue.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

We aren’t designed perfectly.

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Anonymous replying to -> #51 1w

The fact that you say leftist are rewriting history while Republicans are pushing that prageru bullshit is absolutely hilarious and maddening. They literally steal and twist people like MLK’s words to push ideas he’d never stand for.

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 1w

God has directly caused the death of multiple infants and children.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

by what? the plague in egypt? that was because the people wouldn’t listen. You could count the flood as well. But that was because humanity was insanely corrupt. He started over

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

I’m talking about the amleeks and also the bears. Gamora. Also the children had nothing to do with anything. It was the Pharoh. Also the flood was to get rid of corruption yet it’s still here. He killed kids for literally no reason and the crazy thing is he knew it would be for no reason.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

okay so we don’t know how corrupt they were. Also we’re humans, we’re not perfect, we’re always going to be a bit corrupt. Give or take. Also I have never heard of the allen’s, what verse is that? Also Gomorrah, along with Sodom was destroyed due to corruption. Again we don’t know how corrupt they were. It could’ve been worse than anything we can imagine.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

amleeks*

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You say corruption but brother these were infants. Literal babies. With abortions you can make an argument but they were out the womb. The Amalekites. God ordered that man woman children infant and ox be murdered. 1 Samuel15:3

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

okay yeah children were a part of it, but they weren’t the problem?? God wasn’t only killing children. It was mainly about the adults. Abortion is the murder of innocent kids that only focuses on killing children.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

So despite the word literally translating to slave you’d rather lie about what the word is? You never answered by the way.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

what question? I’m literally lost atp lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

But I have a question. You say the bible condones slavery. Do you believe the Quran condones beating your wife? Or marrying children?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Yeah, except you don’t believe in the Quran and you’re the only one here defending a God that told people to own others as property without consent.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Read my other comments and you’ll see what I meant. Yes owning people without their consent is bad. The slavery in the old testament is bondservant. Most of these servants asked to be servants so they didn’t have to live in poverty. No I don’t believe in the quran. I was just wondering if you believed that the quran teaches the things I mentioned. And there are millions of other people that would defend the bible as well, by the way. Please go home to Jesus.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

If they were to live with a so called ‘master’ than in poverty, honestly that might be better. The parents of those kids were bondservants so they were working for their debt. It’s not all about the kids. Do you think it’s worse to kill kids without their consent or own them without their consent?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

The adults consent to the dynamic. The children born into that are not given the autonomy nor do they get a decision in being owned by the slave owner. That’s what that verse is stating.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

If you agree owning people without consent is bad, then you agree when God said to own children as property without those kids consent, is a bad thing for him to endorse. Unless you’re suddenly deciding the initial premise of owning people without consent is not a bad thing.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Listen, this was written 2,000 years ago. This was a completely different time. Jesus has come since then. To try and relate then to today is insane. Today it is bad to own people without their consent, obviously. But it was a different time. Yes, these people were born into bondservanthood, but they were saved from a life of poverty, which could’ve resulted in death. Everything God says is true word. He ultimately knows more than we do. He knew what needed to happen back then for the future.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

also you never answered my question about killing kids and owning kids

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

So do you think their life in poverty would be better than a life with a ‘master’?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You said it was bad. And again that verse is God telling people to do something you already agree is bad. That’s the issue here. You made a claim that everything God says is moral, but here you are acknowledging that your God endorsed something you view as immoral

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You can try to justify it but multiple things can be immoral at once. It’s a false dichotomy and dishonest to pretend otherwise. You can pretend it’s BETTER to force someone to live as a slave because their parents agreed to work for a few years, but in reality it’s still bad. I can shoot someone or stab them violently. Neither are good, one is worse. But neither are GOOD. And this is coming from a God you pretend is ALL good.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Do you like not read my other comments?? I just discussed this. This happened years ago!! Different times!! Today it would be frowned upon but it might’ve been necessary for the advancement of humans at the time. We don’t know. That’s the whole point. Faith. We have faith in our God. He is omniscient and omnipresent. He is all knowing. But once again these people were servants due to debt! The bible condemns slavery that we are used to. This is more like sharecropping than anything.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Um I do believe He is presented as all good, and so does the bible you’re referencing from. God is the most moral being, but he is also just. Most would agree that wiping out the earth with a flood was immoral, but he did it anyway. It was for the betterment of our world. I’m saying whatever God does there is a reason behind it. No action is insignificant. He has a will and it’s important that we follow it. We wouldn’t take slaves of another land today, he told men who lived forever ago to do so

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

you also have t answered my question. I answered yours when you asked. Answer mine.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

the punishment of being in debt was indentured servitude. there must be a punishment for debt, just like today your car will be repo’d if you miss a payment. if you had no assets back then the only option for most people was servanthood to pay debts. the bible expressly forbids forcing people into slavery. you would know this if you knew the context of the verses. all you’re doing is pulling verses out of context like a new reddit atheist. all of your points have been disproven by many scholars.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

So it becomes moral ? Because it happened years ago? You already said it was bad lol. You’re dismissing immoral commands and actions because it didn’t happen in your lifetime? The children did not consent to anything. You’re switching up. Becoming pro slavery just for the sake of defending an idea you can’t concede doesn’t align with what your God said lol.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Can you be all good and say/do immoral things?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

What context makes owning children without consent okay? Go ahead and give it. You already said owning people without their consent is bad. So give me the context where God saying that makes that action a good action.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Did answer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

which one is worse was my question. You didn’t answer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

i hope you do more research with an honest mind and are able to find the insurmountable evidence for the existence of the God of the Bible. i’m no longer willing to talk to you since i have better things to do.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

I think owning someone as property, removing their ability to be seen as a human being, forcing them to exist as your property for the sole purpose of free labor you simply don’t want to do is worse than getting killed and being released from a prison of a life. Now answer mine.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Running away the second you’re forced to answer questions about your faith. Says a lot about you lol.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

when did I run away? I answered all the questions. I’m tired of answering to people who won’t listen and aren’t open to new ideas. If you’re going to ask people stupid questions and expect actual answers I think your life will be full of misery. You’re taking g verses completely out of context. Please educate yourself on the time period and the ways that things worked back then. You are the problem here. Seek help.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You can’t even run away right. “I answered all of your questions except for the three I just ignored because you pointed out how hypocritical I was being!” If you’re going to run away, then at least stop being a liar and stay gone. If you’re going to come back just to cry and complain. Do it productively, and answer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Neither Jesus nor God owned slaves. The bible actually has laws around slavery that were not "cruel" necessarily as modern times. The bible didn't invent or necessarily uphold slavery it just mentioned it because it was a thing it ancient times. Jesus even did things that slaves did, he taught others the opposite and slaves could not be returned to cruel masters or kept longer than 6 years, it was more like debt repayment than what MODERN slavery is. God meets humanity where it already is.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

If God could end all suffering and all bad, we would not have the religion and Jesus would not have been sent.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Slaves also could not be "taken" or kidnapped how they were in modern times, the person who did so would be put to death. Slaves were mostly people who gave their "debt" back in time or work because they had nothing to give. The bible also doesn't say it's a "good thing" it simply already existed.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

If he wanted to he could, that’s what the rapture is for. But he is just waiting for the right time.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

I didn’t ask if God owned slaves. I didn’t ask if God invented slavery. As I said to the other commenter, and I’m sure you’d agree it’s bad to endorse owning people as property, without those people’s consent, right? Yes?

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

False dichotomy

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Anonymous replying to -> #47 1w

Well he could you're correct, I meant to say if he did.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Not true. In later verses God explains that it’s legal and moral to sell your slaves. Which meant that you could separate innocent families with no consequence

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

What is false?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

What verses? There are plenty that say to treat the slaves fairly and just, they could not capture and kidnap people. The people worked for them, and they weren't sold as in today's manner. There were REGULATIONS because these things already existed. And actually it was a main thing not to tear apart families as well.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

You didn’t answer, is it good or bad to endorse/to own people as property without those people’s consent?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

It is incorrect, we are on the same page. What you're wrong about is that the "slavery" was not MODERN. Nowhere did they steal or kidnap these people, the people agreed to work for them because they could not repay them in another way, they had to be freed after 6 years, could not be severely punished or beaten, and they could not be sold how we think of today for money, their work could be transferred to someoneelse. "Whoever steals a man and sells him… shall be put to death.” — Exodus 21:16.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

They also had no sense of writing anything to even sell people how we did in the United States we literally sold them yes, they did not. or have any sense of moral contracts yet, it was simply repayment and they did not treat them bad.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

You aren’t answering Good or bad?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

And that's also where you're wrong it was not CREUL and for "property" as we did in modern times, they simply worked and agreed to it because they could not do anything else to repay the other person. It wasn't "oh this is my slave"

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Not an answer either.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

It's bad, which is why that's not what they did.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

No where did they sell people, force them to work; or steal them from there home that's what slavery is. That is bad. These people agreed to do it because they could not repay the other.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Okay so you agree it’s bad. Exodus 21:4 states that children born of slaves are property of the slave owner. The children don’t consent to being owned as property by the slave owner. The parents consenting to being bond servants/slaves doesn’t mean the child gets the option. And God is telling people that it’s okay to own kids as property from the moment they’re born if they’re born to a slave you already own

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

You're also confusing the people with god. God cannot control humans. There were laws set in place that banned them from beating them, selling them, or keeping them/killing them, they had to be set free. God also never ever said it was moral, he knew it existed, so he called for fair treatment and to treat them as your own family.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

And the best part about you admitting it’s bad, is it doesn’t matter how they’re treated (though in later verses God says you can beat your slave as long as they recover within 2 days) Because you already acknowledge the base idea of endorsing owning people as property without those people’s consent, is a bad immoral thing.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

So your argument is God said something and told people to do something he thought was immoral?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

He didn't tell them to do it at all, he basically said if you're going to do it, you have to have these rules, they weren't treated unjust and you're also forgetting the people were not forced into this. They agreed. If i agreed to work for someone and they gave me a home, food, etc. Basically treated you as a household member, they are being treated regularly, no i don't see that as an issue.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

They gave their consent, what are you not getting?

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

That’s actually exactly what he did lol. Quote Exodus 21:4 for me. The children born to slaves quite literally are forced into this. I already said this and you probably just didn’t read what I said but the ADULTS consenting to a dynamic, doesn’t mean the CHILDREN BORN TO THE SLAVES, consent to being owned as property.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

What you're saying is also wrong. If the baby is born to a mother that is also bound to that household, the baby stays with the mother, That would rarely happen, The person in slavery would have to have went in alone (that's a rule). The mother would be freed after 6 years regardless, but there would be a very slim chance there would be 2 people of the opposite gender working for the same person to even have this baby.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

You didn’t quote the verse. The verse states the baby is property of the slave OWNER. Oh okay I get it so it’s okay to endorse owning kids as property from birth because it was rare that it happened. Who cares if they still had to experience chattel slavery, because it didn’t really happen to anyone else!!

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

“If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out alone.” Keep in mind ancient text, given does not mean a free woman, this literally means if their both in the same household as slaves, which would rarely happen, and this is simply a rule because the woman's contract probably is not over, once it is they will both be released in 6 years, i don't agree with you.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

It is not talking about the slave owner. If the slave HAPPENS to have a baby with a woman also in that household. Has nothing to do with the owner.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Slavery already existed and God upheld rules as he could in an ANCIENT time so that they would be treated fairly as possible. There are different time periods and no the Bible is not completely perfect either, no one is saying that but at the end of the day you are wrong. God calls us all to be loving and kind to one another and that's what the religion is about. I think anyone should follow their own religions as they please. Believe what you want.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

in THIS religion that is what's written, and what i'm saying is true of this religion. It's not perfect or completely moral but look at the world today, to compare to another religion or a different time period is just not realistic.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

1. The quoted verse literally says “her children shall be her masters” They shall belong to the master, because they are considered property of the master. The child shall be owned as property, from their birth, without that CHILDs consent

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

2. You saying it rarely happened isn’t what is being argued, it shouldn’t matter how little immoral things happen. They’re still immoral. You wouldn’t say “oh well it’s okay to beat your slaves because it almost never happened”

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

I’m not comparing it to anything. You are. I asked you a question and am using your answer to make an argument. Stop lying to justify slavery lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Completely different thing.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Once again, this is the truth in the Bible, once again not really modern slavery; nothing is against their will, and most of the time would not have a child as a slave. They are all humans who chose all these things. God didn't control them he put the rules in place to protect them, yes. It was not cruel, i still disagree with you but okay😂

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

It’s nothing different lol. You just keep pretending like it is.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Being born as a slave isn’t something that happens against your will? That’s such a dishonest thing to say. You said endorsing owning people as property without those people’s consent was a bad thing, doesn’t seem like you think that anymore though. Conveniently

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

No one is justifying it either, slavery existed back then just as it did now, but it was not anywhere as severe. I am explaining to you that no where does God uphold that though, and there were things put in place to make sure they were not treated cruelly. That's the facts and you're just being ignorant😂

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

You agree that it was bad to endorse owning people as property without those people’s consent, but now you’re saying that it’s OK that he did do that because the people aren’t being treated poorly when that was never the issue to begin with. It was the fact that they (the children of slaves) were owned as property without consent

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

The baby part you are correct about, but like i said, most of the time that would not happen; not saying it's okay but over the other plenty of protections in place, the "enslaved" person would more than likely not even have this baby. The bible isn't perfect but God didn't uphold anything. Once again, God doesn't control humans.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Great then you agree God commanded something immoral lol. That’s the whole point.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

They weren't owned as "property" though necessarily, they agreed to do work to repay another person as i already explained to you. You are just now bringing up the children context and the people MUST be released after 6 years, no where does it say they can't be released before, and they're more than likely not having babies while repaying a debt. You're just being ignorant, and like I said as well, there are a few other places in the bible with gray areas sure, we're still going to follow

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

He didn't command it though, God didn't tell people hey own slaves, he doesn't control us he puts the resources on the Earth. There were protections in place. Immoral things happen everyday today as well; God doesn't control nor command that.

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

Then why didn’t he just simply say “don’t have slaves” I mean even in Leviticus it says you can have slaves explicitly calls them property and says they can be given as inheritance and kept as slaves for life.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

I'm not God and neither are you, we don't know "Why" he does anything. The world is not perfect and it does not predict the future. The bible isn't magic either, just because he says something doesn't mean people won't do it. They shouldn't but that isn't how the world works. & Once again there were rules not to rule cruely, the World was not perfect and God knew that. Certain things were kept in place because of human sin; once again slavery already existed. Leviticus is also way past Exodous

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

The bible is not just a set of rules, it's also a story, things took place after Exodus that would be worse, humans didn't listen to Jesus at first. That's why those things are said in Leviticus, also, once again not morally correct, but God didn't "uphold this" he also always called not to rule cruelly, he can't control what they will still do. i'm done arguing with you.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

Leviticus also says not to eat shellfish or wear mixed fiber clothing. Possibly good advice for the time, but this is 2026 and that is some bullshit.

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Anonymous replying to -> #39 1w

Exactly, the Bible is not going to be followed exact, and just because God says not to do something doesn't mean people won't

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

That’s what multiple translations say. That’s not me. That’s the bible

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

So owning somebody as property is OK as long as you release them?

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

We are talking about the same god who restricted what could be eaten or worn?

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

he commanded people to own children as property. He didn’t have to. He’s God, he’s infinitely knowing which means that it’s logically possible for him to have come up with a solution to protect children without having them be property.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Do your research.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Do yours. You being offended by the conclusions made by logic don’t make them invalid. They make you sensitive.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

The “Property” you’re thinking of is different from the Hebrew term they used of property back then. The Bible uses the word “property” because in Hebrew law it meant household responsibility, not object ownership. Anyone can pick a single verse in the Bible and try and twist it but if you do the research it always ends up true.

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Anonymous replying to -> #53 1w

I’ll stop being “rude” when Christians stop trying to take away human rights 🥰

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Exactly

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Anonymous replying to -> #44 1w

If exactly, explain…..

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Exodus refers to them as “property” (keceph). Literally, this Hebrew word means “silver” or “money.” The same usage/terms are used in reference to livestock, land, tools, etc. Quite literally they are property as object ownership. This is also affirmed by the later verses where God permits the beating of slaves as long as they recover because they’re “property” and the fact that you can sell them to others.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

You guys love pretending that the verses are cherry-picked when in reality, if a God is a moral God he shouldn’t be commanding immoral things at all.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

There’s no immoral things 😂

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Theres a thing called CONTEXT

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

What context makes it OK to own children’s property without those children’s consent?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

See exactly, The word ‘property’ in Exodus refers to legal responsibility, not ownership of a human being. Just like today parents legally control a child’s residence, food, school, and medical decisions, in ancient Israel the children were considered part of the household under the father’s authority, not objects. It’s not about owning kids; it’s about who is responsible for them. I tried explaining this but you just don’t wanna see a different perspective.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

I’m going to explain it one more time. Their legal status is derivative of the master’s ownership. The male slave’s temporary release after six years (Exod 21:2) contrasts with the permanent retention of the woman and children, reinforcing that they are not autonomous legal subjects but assets remaining with the household. כִּי כַסְפּוֹ הוּא (ki kaspo hu, “for he is his money”), an unambiguous equation of the enslaved person with monetary property.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Leviticus 25:44–46 permits Israelites to acquire foreign slaves as אֲחֻזָּה (achuzzah, “heritable property”)

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

is an unambiguous**

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Exodus 21 is describing household authority, not moral value. And the text explicitly protects servants: kidnapping was punishable by death (Ex 21:16), abuse freed the servant (21:26–27), and Hebrew servitude ended after six years (21:2). That is nothing like chattel slavery. You’re forcing modern categories into an ancient legal system that doesn’t work the same way.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

I’m not forcing anything. I’m translating the words lol. About 3 verses after 21:4 It even states that the male slave has to go to a judge or judges and declare he loves his slave family, and the judge(s) shall grant him the right to be with them indefinitely.

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Anonymous replying to -> #19 1w

Forcing evangelical beliefs onto others is non consensual btw. So when someone says no and you keep it up anyway, or go ahead and pray for people who said not to, you’re non consensually doing something to another person. Stop acting like rapists while you’re at it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Is it good to own somebody as a slave as long as you release them?

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

You’re confused. I’m saying that the children BORN to slaves (referred to in Exodus 21:4) are part of a chattel slavery system. Even IF they are released, they are released as a slave which they never consented to be. The verse states that children born to slaves are property of the slave OWNER. That is chattel slavery. The judge portion, the legality portion, is just proving they are legally considered assets.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Hebrew law required release in the Jubilee (Lev 25) and gave protections, rights, rest days, legal recourse, and freedom from abuse, none of which exist in chattel systems. Chattel slavery is permanent, inheritable, and allows treating humans as objects. Hebrew servitude is conditional, regulated, time-limited, and legally protected. Calling both systems the same because the English translation uses “property” ignores the actual legal structure.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Treatment isn’t being contested here. Although- Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21. BUT they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Property as in household responsibility! Hebrew terms brotha, I’m not going to argue anymore but I pray you can see the other viewpoint of these things. I enjoy speaking on these subjects. Have a good day 🙏

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

It’s so funny to me that you just ignored the verse where God said to beat people because they’re “property” lol You guys can’t do anything honestly

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

If all you get from reading the bible is that it endorses slavery, then you are the problem. But God was commanding this to people thousands of years ago. The people already beat their slaves recklessly and a lot of times they were permanently injured. In this verse God is putting a limit on how much you can hurt people rather than endorsing violence. If the slave is permanently injured they are released and if the slave dies then the master is punished.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

back then people did beat their slaves all of the time. He would never come to someone in the US today and give the same command because we live in a different time. We don’t have any slaves. So if God said that, it would be weird. But people back then did and the slaves were usually always getting beat recklessly. That’s why God commanded this, to lessen the beating.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Amen

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Not an answer

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Bro the property thing again, it’s not like ownership, in Hebrew back then it meant household responsibility or household authority. Not a term of ownership.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

You said you were done. So you lied lol. Since you’re back you can address the last thing I said!

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

- God did not advocate for owning slaves or anyone as property. He understood the people he was talking to and the time they lived in. He tried to reduce buying and selling slaves (not like an auction). The slavery mentioned in the bible is more like bondservant.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Which is?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

We’ve gone over this, children born to slaves don’t consent. You didn’t answer ANY of the questions. Try again.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Sorry I have stuff to do man 🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

I already answered the second one -there is no verse

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w
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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

how did I not answer? You’re not listening!

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

Then why come back after saying you were done?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Talked ab this already brotha man

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Answer them one more time for me I didn’t see it/cant find jt.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Exodus 21:4 isn’t describing chattel slavery. In Israel, slavery wasn’t racial or lifelong, most ‘slaves’ were debt-servants working off what they owed. The children being considered part of the master’s household is legal language about economic responsibility, not human worth. Also, if the master harmed a servant, the servant was set free (Ex 21:26–27), and kidnapping someone to make them a slave was a death-penalty crime (Ex 21:16). That’s the opposite of chattel slavery.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

You didn’t brotha man! But nice try lyin lol. You never actually showed any biblical context that refers to property as “responsibility” an not asset

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

no. You’re being a dick. You’re trying to find gotcha moment with verses that have been pulled out of context. I have described the context of then and compared it to today. Please watch some youtube videos on what scholars think about this and move on with your day.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

scroll if you want yo see the answers, I can’t help you anymore. Try to read the whole bible and do t just take verses out of context. There’s a lot of controversial stuff in there, but when you apply the context if all makes sense. Have a good day.

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Anonymous replying to -> #52 1w

I never claimed it to be racial. Not “part of the masters household” they were “property of the master” that’s what the verbiage states. The master was permitted to harm their servants as long as they recovered

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

I looked and you never answered if it’s good or bad that God advocated to own kids as property without consent. So thank for lying to my face again. You never said yes or no to the second thing and you never gave me a bible verse that makes endorsing owning kids as property without consent, a moral act. So all lies I guess

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Both of you said bye and then came back the second you guys couldn’t handle being wrong lmao. Just a funny thing I saw from the two of you by the way One is defending beating people and one is lying about made up verses that excuse slavery Both are defending owning chattel slaves though lmaooo

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

I came back because I couldn’t handle you being wrong. I don’t like people thinking of our Lord negatively. And by the way all the verses that were mentioned were ones you brought up. Nobody is defending owning chattel slaves.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You said owning people as property without consent was bad, but then when I said God said to do that with child slaves you said this.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

“steals” a man Chattel slavery is owning somebody as property or a slave without that person’s consent. When God says to own kids as property without consent; is it good, yes or no?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

The basic premise of owning people as property is bad. But I think being owned 3,000 years ago is better than dying 3,000 years ago because you’re poor.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

OK, then you agree that God said to do something bad. It doesn’t matter if it’s less bad or more bad two things can be bad at once.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Maybe I’m not sure. I went to Catholic school but I am not 100% educated on the bible or the time period. I know God is all knowing and all good. You’re looking at this from a very limited POV. He knows all. Whatever he said or did I believe there was a reason. I know that God is just as well. Please stop trying do be a discord loser and go watch or read what scholars have to say about this. They will give you much better answers than me.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

all I’m doing is forcing you to confront a logical contradiction. You said that owning people are endorsing owning people as property without those people’s consent is a bad thing. Multiple things can be bad at once. Even if God saying this was less bad it is still bad to do and say.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

or endorsing**

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Anonymous replying to -> #56 1w

Why not?

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Anonymous replying to -> #56 1w

I bet you’re saying this as a conservative who wants to use religion as a excuse to fuel your hatred which is absolutely ridiculous at least ppl on the left like myself have the correct morals to treat everybody with dignity & respect & don’t say hateful racist bullshit or homophobic nonsense like oh you’re committing sin & going to hell blah blah for being gay or trans

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Anonymous replying to -> #37 1w

Well they might be going to hell. It’s a sin to be gay. And that’s not just me saying that. Many people, even gay people agree. Marriage was made for a man and a woman. So they could procreate, which is one command that God gives us. I’m not saying that all gay people will go to hell because God is just and he knows our hearts. He knows who belongs in heaven. At the end of the day though we’re all sinners. Just as long as people focus on correcting their sin instead of living in it, they’re ok

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

Im a lesbian & you’re speaking nonsense you do not speak for us MANY if not MOST gay ppl do not believe in religion & if they do (which I do however I currently identify as being agnostic) they r not brainwashed or stupid enough to believe the nonsense ppl like u say also it was never a sin to be gay or act on being gay pedophilia is the real sin & I will always stand by that

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Anonymous 1w

I honestly didn’t see that but thank you for telling me I’m wasting my time on an imbecile lol

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Anonymous replying to -> #37 1w

yeah, of course. The second you catch him in any kind of contradiction or hypocrisy he calls you names and then ends the conversation so I wouldn’t even give him your time.

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Anonymous replying to -> #37 1w

how is being gay not a sin?

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Anonymous 1w

So do you think it’s more moral for people to be killed rather than work as servants?

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You’re back for the third time. Since you’re back, you can address how it is a logical contradiction for an all good God to endorse something that you agreed was a bad thing

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Anonymous replying to -> #37 1w

Don’t engage he’s going to keep bugging you until he gets what he wants, which is in reality is just to spew his logical contradictions and his agenda

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

I’m don’t talking about this. I’ve answered all of your questions. I’ve answered some of them multiple times. If you want to see where I stand about that stuff go find my previous comments.

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Anonymous replying to -> #48 1w

You engage with me again for the third time. You keep crying that you’re done, but you can’t actually stay away. You’re just mad that I’m not letting you lie and move the goal post

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

AmĂŠn!!!!

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Anonymous replying to -> #46 1w

Must have said something that made you upset since you’ve resorted to name calling 😂 Truth hurts

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Anonymous replying to -> #20 1w

We don’t take away human rights. We take away sinful actions that God calls sin

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Your god. Not everyone worships the way you do.

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