
That’s historically wrong. Native civilizations built large cities, irrigation systems, and complex agricultural societies long before Europeans arrived—Cahokia alone had tens of thousands of people. Also, horses were introduced by Europeans in the 1500s, so the “they’d still be riding horses hunting buffalo” point doesn’t even make sense historically. Different environments produce different technologies, not inferior civilizations.
it’s pretty simple, if you are in america illegally you’re gonna get deported. this has been around since the start of our country. obama started ice and deported 3.7 million illegal aliens. it’s proven he put them in cages aswell. why wasn’t it wrong 10 years ago, but wrong now? make it make sense please… classic lib
you are proving my point. how about you rebuttal my statement? have a conversation because my mind is always open to new ideas, but is yours? you blame all your reasoning on empathy, but there is already empathy in our country when we let immigrants become citizens LEGALLY. if you want to hold a family of illegals in your house, go ahead. i definitely do not want that
You could say the same thing about slavery. People were doing it back then but now it’s wrong? Obv because it’s WRONG. There were protests against obama btw. And people aren’t mad about just the deportation they’re mad about the way they’re being treated and handle. Immigrants are being deported to 3rd world countries that aren’t their own, refugees are being sent back to their countries, american citizens are being killed. Mass deportation is bad for our economy as a whole.
again, you can’t do anything but insult me. if its easier to insult than have a conversation, and back up your beliefs. then we truly do know who has the lower iq. did you know that according to the journal of intelligence, there is a link to lower iq and “reactive insults” among 33,000+ subjects? who’s got the empty brain bro.
okay billie 😭😭 that argument is so easily debunked. if it’s stolen then that implies it was taken from a legitimate owner meaning someone had legal ownership in the first place. saying “no one is illegal on stolen land” is dumb that it literally contradicts itself, because the concept of theft depends on the existence of lawful ownership.😭😭
You can by making it to that when these illegal immigrants can obtain work visa to contribute to the country while working to gain their citizenship so they can provide for their families. Immigrants help this country. They pay over 100 billion dollars in taxes on federal states and local levels while not even getting to see any of the benefits because they undocumented, help our labor force because they take jobs the american people are avoiding meaning they contribute around 400 billion
The best thing to do in this situation would be giving undocumented immigrants who don’t have prior violent offenses a pathway to citizenship so they can continue to provide the country with these benefits, while we can get the funding to make the pathways to citizenship more obtainable and affordable. Because at the end of the day no one wants to come here illegally because you can’t file for tax returns, get a loan for a house, no social security, medicare or medicaid.
I was born in Brasil came to the us LEGALLY and now i got my citizenship, you dont see me getting deported do you? because i did everything by the book and i now, as long as im a law abiding citizen i wont get shot by ice agents, unlike some other stupid americans who think they’re heroes.
I don’t feel invalidated I said you’re “trying” to. I want nothing more than to have a simple conversation about these opposing beliefs. I haven’t insulted you or belittled you in anyway. You complain about being insulted yet you insult others even those who haven’t insulted you. Kinda contradicting but that’s just me.
Saying Native Americans were “given land and technology by actual Americans” ignores the historical record. Native nations already had complex societies, trade networks, agriculture, and governance long before European arrival. What actually happened was conquest, forced displacement, and treaties that were often broken. Reservations weren’t a gift—they were land that remained after most of their territory had already been taken.
The idea that earlier immigrants all “came legally” is misleading because modern immigration laws barely existed until the late 1800s. For much of U.S. history, people simply arrived and settled. Laws restricting immigration were created later. So comparing today’s immigration system to how earlier immigrants came isn’t really an apples-to-apples comparison.
Then we have to fix our immigration system and mass deporting millions of undocumented is only going to hurt the economy. It can take up to 10 to 15 years to become a citizen and it takes money a lot of immigrants don’t have at that moment. No one wants to come here illegally there’s no point.
That’s historically wrong. Native civilizations built large cities, irrigation systems, and complex agricultural societies long before Europeans arrived—Cahokia alone had tens of thousands of people. Also, horses were introduced by Europeans in the 1500s, so the “they’d still be riding horses hunting buffalo” point doesn’t even make sense historically. Different environments produce different technologies, not inferior civilizations.
Both are wrong and bad for the country. Mass deportation is bad for the economy as a whole. The way the ICE detention centers are treating these people is wrong and those in political power simply don’t care. I believe undocumented immigrants should be deported but we’re going about it all wrong.
I don’t understand why this matters though. There were protests against obama. Plus more people have died in the custody of ice under trump than obama and trump hasn’t even ran a full 2 terms yet. from 2009-2017 67 people died in ice custody. From 2017-2021 83 have died in ice custody. Trump doesn’t seem to care.
there’s in excess of 10million vacant homes in the United States, we are not full. Immigration creates jobs, people who complain about losing their jobs to immigrants should have considered trying harder. Undocumented people are significantly less like to commit crimes (besides no documents ofc) since the penalties for doing so are much greater than they are for us citizens.
There is also an excess of 10 million homeless Americans. They should get 1 million each from the gov before and illegal even gets a cent. I'm not saying they should get a mil each I'm just saying the only money we should spend on illegals is jet fuel to get them out of our county
Ignore the larger issue? Immigrants have killed thousands of Americans and have brought drugs into America. Look at all the homeless people we have in America already and who is getting housing and jobs all these illegals. We need to help America first! We have a process people come here legally. If there are rapists in office of course they should be dealt with, if you have proof they’re rapists I would love to see it!
Horses weren’t “discovered” by Europeans — they were reintroduced to the Americas after being extinct here for millennia. Plains horse culture only developed after that. Before then, many Native societies built cities, farmed extensively, and ran complex economies (e.g., Cahokia). Technology follows environment and available resources, not intelligence or capability.
No, that evidence is still speculation. If it is proven to be true then he should be locked up among everyone else who was apart of it. I'm just saying that the rate of illegals vs citizens per capita doing rapes and murderrs is significantly swayed toward the immigrant side, specifically but not limited to mostly Muslim immigrants. I'm juts saying we have enough problems before these people come to our country and they only add more
It’s messed up to value people or argue that their civilizations are superior based on random arbitrary criteria in general, imo. If we have to rank civilizations, what about looking at factors like how peaceful or egalitarian they were? Or, better yet, we could just not do that because literally what’s the point.
So we’ll just ignore the fact that there are massive backlogs that make it nearly a decade to get citizenship in the immigration system that can be easily fixed with proper funding… and that it cost a lot of money for some. And the fact that we’re not offering nearly enough work visa and even took away protective statuses for refugees in 10 countries that have lived here for decades working and passing background checks every few years. I guess they’re just not working hard enough
No and yes. They weren’t treated good under obama either and mass deportation is always bad for the country. But trump is deporting people without due process, to third world countries that aren’t their own, more people have died in ice custody under trump than obamas 2 terms… do i need to keep going?
There’s a legal way for that too called Asylum and Refugee status! Maybe do some research instead of being an “empath” lol and you since America is so bad they should go to a different country anyway that would be more supportive of their needs. And if you wanna play the put yourself in someone else’s shoes, put yourself in the thousands of peoples shoes right before they died by an illegal immigrant.
they take jobs no one else will. they pay 10s of billions in taxes, etc. your argument is based on stereotypes. if you’re that worried about crime, you should be more worried about the people born here. if you’re worried about americans being raped so much then i hate to tell you this but a rapist is currently the head of the executive branch
How do they pay 10s of billions in taxes if they legally can’t get a job? We pay those 10s of billions when we purchase items. Or if they do get a job it’s taken out of their paycheck that’s why it’s so cheap to higher them which overall isn’t helping Americans. And do you have proof that he is a rapist I mean? Epstein Files came out he called the cops on Epstein so I mean what actual proof is out there saying he raped someone?
You just go back and forth blaming everything on the president but how do they actually benefit us? Please tell me I would like to know can someone tell me? I am 100% okay with immigrants coming legally. But having illegal immigrants is not good for any society look at Europe. Coming illegally is a crime. If you crossed over to Mexico illegally they deport you so why is it that America is the only country that can’t have these laws?
ofc it would be preferable to enter legally. but politicians have made it incredibly time consuming and often expensive. i have no issue if they’re caught at the border and deported. i do however have an issue with deporting people who have been living here for years working hard and living peacefully
Well TPS is temporary, nowhere does it state 1.3 million refugees have been kicked out and lost their rights. They’re battling it in court right now and the reason they’re trying to send them back is because their countries are safe again. Which I don’t see what the problem is they knew it was temporary? And they’re still battling it in court so they most likely will block termination.