Anonymous #1 6w

Who built the cages that everyone was blaming trump for?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Who is putting a record number of innocent people in them?

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Anonymous #4 6w

Who deported a record number of people let’s not act like Obama wasn’t a fucking terrible person too just because he was a democrat

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Anonymous #6 6w

Deporting people who are here illegally is not this issue. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that, especially those involved in illegal activities. The difference is that Obama targeted the criminals and focused on national security threats, felons, and recent border crossers. ICE wasn’t busting down doors of people who overstayed Visas. And he did it all with a fraction of the money! Trump’s administration is responsible for nearly 30% of the national debt!

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Anonymous #5 6w

They didn’t kill innocent people. Stop acting like they were doing the same thing bc they weren’t. AND Obama was able to accomplish more with a fraction of the budget! Trump is a failure on immigration, the economy, job creation, foreign policy, etc. The worst prez in history. People who still support his criminal enterprise are imbeciles.

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Anonymous #3 6w

This is where I disagree. Dozens of very well known and respected politicians and news outlets including democrats were very supportive of the removal of illegal immigrants using ICE. When a democratic president did it they were praised for their efforts and then the media twisted reality to make people think Trump was evil for doing the same thing. The difference isn’t that people are more aware, it’s that people are getting in the way causing more issues instead of letting them do their job

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Anonymous #1 6w

Under the Obama administration 67 people died at the hands of ice and under Trump it has been 102. Yes the number is higher but you also have to realize when Obama was doing it it was praised and when Trump was doing it there was thousands of violent protesters agitating federal officers and making things worse and harder than it had to be.

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Anonymous #1 6w

The crazy thing is that people who overstayed their visas are here illegally. They continuously get benefits paid for by legal tax paying citizens when legally they are not supposed to be here. Approximately 37 million immigrants were able to follow the rules and laws and legally become a citizen of this country. And as far as debts go you have to realize that national debt is deeper than “the president spent all the money” legislation also spends money

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Anonymous OP 6w

During the first term of the Trump administration the government depend 3.4 trillion dollars on COVID-19. His total “contribution to debt” that totals “30%” is 11.5 trillion. So 30% of the “30%” was spent during an epidemic other presidents didn’t have the brunt of.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Actually Obama did send ice agents out to pick up illegal immigrants. And yes innocent people did die at the hands of ice agents under the administration. The difference is that during obamas presidency there wasn’t violent agitators making it harder for them to do their job. Also you just proved the point of the post

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Anonymous #1 6w

They weren’t doing the same thing, but don’t act like they were doing a good thing. It is true that Obama made some improvements, such as ending workplace raids and focusing on criminals. However, he also rushed deportations for refugees from Central America (they often had no access to a lawyer) and expanded family detention, incarcerating children and separating them from their parents. In addition, though Obama shifted focus to criminals, ICE did not stick well to these new priorities

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Anonymous OP 6w

People here on visas are WORKING, thus the reason for the Visa and they’re paying taxes! They don’t benefit from tax dollars. You’re slow. A total of 67 died in custody (not shot on the streets) in 8 years of Obama. Trump has killed as many in a year.

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Anonymous #5 6w

I don’t understand the “focusing on criminals” argument. Every illegal immigrant is a criminal, they committed a crime by illegally crossing the border. I have a feeling you lock your car doors when you go to the store, and lock your door at night when you go to sleep. How would you feel if you woke up one morning to a dozen random people illegally in your home? Would you call the police to have them removed or would you let them stay and pay for their medical bills and feed them?

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Anonymous OP 6w

Don’t get it twisted, it’s bad in both cases. The reason democrats were on board before is because they (like republicans) exist to protect the establishment. It’s less to do with the big bad media & protestors and more to do with the hypocrisy of both parties

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Anonymous OP 6w

First, the standard liberal argument: illegally crossing the border does not make someone dangerous, it makes them desperate. The home metaphor is a false equivalence. Immigrants actually commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. Second, the material argument: the US has couped, warred against, embargoed, extracted from, or otherwise meddled in every country in South America. If you want less immigrants, you have to oppose the US actively making South America poorer.

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Anonymous #5 6w

Their conditions are worsened by our foreign policy. They move here because that’s where opportunity is; we have quashed it there. Increased immigration is the United States reaping what it has sown

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Anonymous #5 6w

Yeah the us is such a bad country that ruins every other country so the people who’s lives we ruined want to come to the country that ruined them, that makes so much sense genius

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Anonymous #5 6w

I didn’t say immigrants I said ILLEGAL immigrants, there’s a difference. And dangerous isn’t the issue the issue is that they are literally breaking the law by illegally entering the country. We have 10s of millions of legal immigrants who are absolutely deserving of their opportunities and are productive citizens. The difference is ILLEGAL immigration is… ILLEGAL. And #2 is exactly right. If we are so bad that we are ruining these countries then why would they go to the place that ruined them?

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Anonymous OP 6w

It really is a pragmatic decision. In their home country, there is gang activity and poverty as a result of our destabilization efforts. The US is a lot more stable. As far as why they come here, they do it to support their families and because it’s close & accessible by land. Whether or not they’re aware of the US’s role in their country’s situation, they can’t really afford to be picky. As far as the issue being “breaking the law” crossing illegally is a misdemeanor. Not that serious

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Anonymous OP 6w

That may have been how it was, but not now. Our generation is much more interested in basic human decency and less in protecting the corrupt status quo that only benefits white men.

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Anonymous #5 6w

But when the democrats were doing it republicans weren’t protesting and attacking federal agents. Everyone in the country agreed that it was an issue that needed to be resolved and it was being resolved. And it has everything to do with big media because the vast majority of the population form headline opinions based off of media and the media is portraying the same stuff differently now then it was then.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Human decency begins at following the law and illegal immigrants automatically are breaking the law by entering this country illegally. Legal immigration is heavily supported and is a major part of this country but that does not excuse ILLEGAL immigration. I’m also genuinely curious how removing illegal immigrants benefits the “white man.” People are not illegal immigrants be they are not white, they are illegal immigrants because they entered the country ILLEGALLY

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Anonymous #5 6w

Oh yeah you’re right there was never gang violence or political issues in any country before the us got involved. And I don’t think any middle eastern countries or African countries are close or accessible, & most South American countries aren’t that accessible or close. And the soviets also meddled in South American countries so why did none of them go there?

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Anonymous #2 6w

#2 is spot on once again. But overall if they are fleeing their country to the United States to support their family why do it illegally. We support legal immigration every day and there are 10s of millions of immigrants who came to this country legally to pursue a life where they are able to help their families. Having a “reason” to break the law doesn’t make it not breaking the law, especially when the reason is indirect

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Anonymous OP 6w

Because racism in immigration is incredibly viscous. There are families who wait 20+ years for a lottery before they’re even able to set foot here without being kidnapped and extradited to a country they’ve never known or raped in a cage.

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Anonymous OP 6w

You don’t care about the law and the law is not always moral. Innocent people are consistently kidnapped, raped, and murdered simply for being BIPOC. It’s a MISDEMEANOUR to cross “illegally” anyway, and you cheer for people to be murdered for it. May you receive, in full, everything you wish on others. You are beyond fucking repugnant and heartless and I’m sick of your racist bullshit.

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Anonymous #1 6w

I do apologize I meant that to be a general statement for all illegal immigrants not visa overstays, I admit that was not correctly conveyed. But even still visa overstays where they were working does not excuse the fact that when their visa was up they didn’t follow the rules to become a legal citizen. And like I’ve said multiple times on this thread, ice under Obama didn’t have violent protestors agitating and getting in the way of federal agents

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Anonymous #2 6w

Just because issues were there before doesn’t mean they weren’t exacerbated from US intervention. If you mean to say that US coups and resource extraction had no adverse effects on a given country, you are living in delusion. You also seem to be misunderstanding or arguing in bad faith. They don’t come to the US because we meddled, they come to the US because it’s an accessible, rich nation. The US is a rich nation because it extracts from the periphery, which includes S. America.

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Anonymous OP 6w

If your concern is with illegal immigration, why aren’t policies aimed at actually stopping the entries? Migration happens when people are looking for opportunities. If we really cared, we’d be targeting employers giving this opportunities. People can’t live without a job. No, they aren’t living off the govt either. They come to work. Working for US companies who are not held accountable for their role in the problem. It’s like targeting the addicts instead of the drug traffickers.

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Anonymous OP 6w

The GOP is not interested in solving the problem because if they were they’d have worked with the democrats on the bazillion pieces of legislation introduced on immigration. No, it’s the only “issue” they have left. They suck at economics, foreign policy, and responsible spending. All they have is their ability to instill fear of a fictitious boogeyman bc their base is too stupid to see that they are a criminal network.

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Anonymous #1 6w

“Solving the problem” equals giving citizenship to everyone and creating permanent problems for every future generation yeah good idea

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Anonymous #2 6w

😂😂 careful now. Your bigotry is showing. Have you read any of the proposed legislation? Yea, I didn’t think so. Allowing law abiding, gainfully employed people citizenship doesn’t create problems for future generations. We let your fuckass, illiterate ancestors in, didn’t we? 😂

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Anonymous #1 6w

Holy moron you actually can’t think past 5 seconds 😭

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