Indie has pretty much become a blanket term for everything you mentioned. Although I personally think it should be reserved for music released under an independent label.

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And I’m not trying to sound like I know the answer because I don’t. I just still don’t understand what indie is perceived to be, especially after looking at reddit threads debating about bands being indie or not, with many answers on both sides with a variety of different reasons

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It is kind of just vibes

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indie is what alternative was a decade ago

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